| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit 08:12 - Mar 27 with 3006 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
It's too late for apologies and resignations. Huge damage has been inflicted on ITFC already.
The question now becomes "Why are the owners not acting?". It's as clear as day that Ashton, Werhun and Nash should be fired. Failing to do so starts to build the belief that the owners were part of the decision to host Reform. And that belief builds hour by hour whilst nothing happens.
The rest of the football world is having a field day with this. Just wait until we play Birmingham, then Norwich away, and all the remaining matches. Because we are going to be getting relentless abuse, chants, nazi salutes, Tifos, you name it. Social media is buzzing with memes about nazi FC, including fake pictures of our beloved manager doing nazi salutes.
This will only stop when the owners make it stop. They have to fire those responsible, and make a heartfelt apology for both providing a promotional platform to Reform, and for then lying to us all about it. They need to distance the club from far right associations if they want to begin the process of restoring our reputation. It's going to be a long road, but it starts with the owners and has to start now.
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:15 - Mar 27 with 1707 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Rotten egg, rotten egg!!
We are talking about England now, not politics! |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:19 - Mar 27 with 1699 views | NthQldITFC |
It's way too late for Ashton. I think the club (the owners effectively) have a day or so to act - and act very openly and decisively.
Hopefully they've spent a couple of days working out an emergency crash plan to keep things on track and take the pressure on KMc and the boys, hopefully consulting with the likes of Mike O'Leary and others with relevant on the ground experience.
They're certainly allowed that time, but they do have to act very soon. If not today or over the weekend, then by Monday at the latest for me, to give a full week of clarity before Brum.
This is critical now. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:19 - Mar 27 with 1704 views | JakeITFC |
I think tbf if they are discussing whether the CEO/Chairman stays in post it isn’t just as quick a decision as getting shot. A lot of the senior staff are his, he has a lot of oversight over pretty much all club matters and I think he may even have a small % ownership as part of Gamechanger and so it will be pretty tricky to unwind immediately. |  | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:20 - Mar 27 with 1673 views | muccletonjoe |
The damage increases all the while nothing happens. The worst thing of all is they seem happy to let it carry on. |  | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:20 - Mar 27 with 1689 views | lazyblue |
Honestly let it go now so what if it’s on social media and away fans will have a laugh with , big deal. Just move on now . |  | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:21 - Mar 27 with 1665 views | Zx1988 |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:19 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC |
I think tbf if they are discussing whether the CEO/Chairman stays in post it isn’t just as quick a decision as getting shot. A lot of the senior staff are his, he has a lot of oversight over pretty much all club matters and I think he may even have a small % ownership as part of Gamechanger and so it will be pretty tricky to unwind immediately. |
Indeed.
It's a world away from getting rid of a member of retail staff, for instance.
There'll be all sorts of legal loose ends to tie up, especially (one imagines) regarding any bonus payments to which Ashton may think he's entitled in the event of promotion.
Sufficiently lawyering these sorts of things will take time. | |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:24 - Mar 27 with 1620 views | pointofblue |
They're in the US with very much a hands off role on the club. They're complicit, for now, only as far as giving too much power to Ashton the moment O'Leary stood down, and now they have to unpick the thread without destabilising the club even further.
I believe all three need to go, but it may take a little bit of time. If they're not gone by this time next week I'll be asking the same questions as you but, at this point, I think they need some breathing space to get everything in order. | |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:28 - Mar 27 with 1549 views | Blue_Moses |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:20 - Mar 27 by muccletonjoe |
The damage increases all the while nothing happens. The worst thing of all is they seem happy to let it carry on. |
What would you like to happen? | | | |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:38 - Mar 27 with 1478 views | OldFart71 |
Oh dear, seems like the time to bring out the ducking stool. Seems like MA has committed a cardinal sin.
Maybe MA has misread a feeling that seems to reverberate amongst some supporters, some of the people in the region and a wider community.
But does that really mean MA has made a huge mistake.
Whilst Farage in the eyes of most people is a marmite character he is the leader of what has become a leading political party.Whilst some of their policies in the eyes of some are derisory they have many supporters.
It might in my mind be a good idea if the club invited members of an opposing party just to show they have no political bias. Which personally I don't believe they have. Whereas I do believe most media outlets such as the beeb, Sky and all daily newspapers have. | | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:38 - Mar 27 with 1471 views | BloomBlue |
You don't understand football fans do you. Do you really think Ashton being sacked is going to stop those fans singing about what happened.
Fashanu died in 1998 and some Town fans still sing that song about him. |  | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:39 - Mar 27 with 1456 views | Chris_ITFC |
Cut them some slack.
TWTD can be a very impatient place. They’re all overseas, need to establish facts, and find a replacement - IF that is the route they determine. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:40 - Mar 27 with 1432 views | pointofblue |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:38 - Mar 27 by OldFart71 |
Oh dear, seems like the time to bring out the ducking stool. Seems like MA has committed a cardinal sin.
Maybe MA has misread a feeling that seems to reverberate amongst some supporters, some of the people in the region and a wider community.
But does that really mean MA has made a huge mistake.
Whilst Farage in the eyes of most people is a marmite character he is the leader of what has become a leading political party.Whilst some of their policies in the eyes of some are derisory they have many supporters.
It might in my mind be a good idea if the club invited members of an opposing party just to show they have no political bias. Which personally I don't believe they have. Whereas I do believe most media outlets such as the beeb, Sky and all daily newspapers have. |
But the club should have done that the moment the issue raised it's head. Or even when they first invited Farage for lunch, and then been open.and transparent. The deceptiveness just makes the situation even worse, and the statement to The Athletic when caught out makes it even worse. | |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:40 - Mar 27 with 1434 views | Bobbychase |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:21 - Mar 27 by Zx1988 |
Indeed.
It's a world away from getting rid of a member of retail staff, for instance.
There'll be all sorts of legal loose ends to tie up, especially (one imagines) regarding any bonus payments to which Ashton may think he's entitled in the event of promotion.
Sufficiently lawyering these sorts of things will take time. |
Isn't that the issue though, especially for the owners? People talk as though replacing CEOs like Ashton will be just like replacing a shop manager. It won't be. Look around English football and some of the car crashes on show. Sure, we could get someone as competent, but there is a risk here for the Americans and remember there are hundreds of millions of pounds at stake.
They will take emotion out of it. As fans we can't do that of course but they will. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:43 - Mar 27 with 1409 views | homer_123 |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:38 - Mar 27 by OldFart71 |
Oh dear, seems like the time to bring out the ducking stool. Seems like MA has committed a cardinal sin.
Maybe MA has misread a feeling that seems to reverberate amongst some supporters, some of the people in the region and a wider community.
But does that really mean MA has made a huge mistake.
Whilst Farage in the eyes of most people is a marmite character he is the leader of what has become a leading political party.Whilst some of their policies in the eyes of some are derisory they have many supporters.
It might in my mind be a good idea if the club invited members of an opposing party just to show they have no political bias. Which personally I don't believe they have. Whereas I do believe most media outlets such as the beeb, Sky and all daily newspapers have. |
"But does that really mean MA has made a huge mistake."
Yes. He got into bed with a known racist, antisemite, misogynist and a politician who is further right that he openly admits to.
I'm not OK with that.
Farage, Reform et al are insidious, odious and, in no way whatsoever, good for the Club or our Country. [Post edited 27 Mar 8:44]
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:47 - Mar 27 with 1362 views | Dubtractor |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:19 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC |
I think tbf if they are discussing whether the CEO/Chairman stays in post it isn’t just as quick a decision as getting shot. A lot of the senior staff are his, he has a lot of oversight over pretty much all club matters and I think he may even have a small % ownership as part of Gamechanger and so it will be pretty tricky to unwind immediately. |
Yep. It will take a while to unravel.
My guess is that there will be a politician style parting of ways over the coming days, with a statement along the lines of 'the story was becoming a distraction to the excellent work that Kieran and the team are doing on the pitch'. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:47 - Mar 27 with 1356 views | SmithersJones |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:21 - Mar 27 by Zx1988 |
Indeed.
It's a world away from getting rid of a member of retail staff, for instance.
There'll be all sorts of legal loose ends to tie up, especially (one imagines) regarding any bonus payments to which Ashton may think he's entitled in the event of promotion.
Sufficiently lawyering these sorts of things will take time. |
Nash and Werhun’s situations are also potentially complex. To what extent were they deciding their own actions versus just following the boss’s orders? If dismissal is a potential outcome that’s a pretty crucial distinction. | | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:48 - Mar 27 with 1343 views | lowhouseblue |
what if, in the real world, most town fans aren't obsessed about hating farage and online political spats? what if the 'owners' think that most supporters don't post excitedly on twtd or follow shouty people on twitter, and will, at most, shrug and move on? what if your perspective on here isn't typical of most supporters. perhaps the 'owners' then take the view that they don't want to get dragged into political point scoring and within in a few days this will go away?
and, you really shouldn't get upset about opposition fan chants. it's not healthy, they often say quite nasty things. you shag one sheep. [Post edited 27 Mar 9:02]
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:18 - Mar 27 with 1201 views | braveblue |
To mention Nazis and far right activists is simply inaccurate and offensive. If other clubs fans do that then ignore it. A massive conspiracy involving all the leaders at the club and then owners? Really? | | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:19 - Mar 27 with 1183 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:19 - Mar 27 by JakeITFC |
I think tbf if they are discussing whether the CEO/Chairman stays in post it isn’t just as quick a decision as getting shot. A lot of the senior staff are his, he has a lot of oversight over pretty much all club matters and I think he may even have a small % ownership as part of Gamechanger and so it will be pretty tricky to unwind immediately. |
Yes, Ashton does have a small shareholding, perhaps a couple of percent. I believe when the last buy-in happened (with Brightpath I believe), the club valuation was circa £400M. Doubtless, that has taken a big hit now, and if the club were publicly listed, who knows how much the share price would have dropped over this week.
Directors including Managing Directors and Shareholders get fired all the time, and usually it is very swift. The details of the compensation package often get sorted later, but the firing decision is swift, it often involves people being escorted off the premises. The delay in doing this makes me wonder if there is some involvement of the US owners, that would be far more complex and explain why its taking more time. I sincerely hope not, but the longer it takes, the more that seems likely. | |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:23 - Mar 27 with 1150 views | N2_Blue |
It's stunning incompletence from people on huge salaries. Yet a forum of posters from all walks of life can see what this is doing and are calling it out.
I'm genuinely gobsmacked by the lack of comment / action / acknowldgement. I can't think of any other buisness / industry that would act so incompetently.
It's really souring my relationship with the club under the current leadership. I feel so let down and whatever happens from here on it's going to take an awful long time to repair. |  |
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:25 - Mar 27 with 1133 views | CastroSito |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 08:48 - Mar 27 by lowhouseblue |
what if, in the real world, most town fans aren't obsessed about hating farage and online political spats? what if the 'owners' think that most supporters don't post excitedly on twtd or follow shouty people on twitter, and will, at most, shrug and move on? what if your perspective on here isn't typical of most supporters. perhaps the 'owners' then take the view that they don't want to get dragged into political point scoring and within in a few days this will go away?
and, you really shouldn't get upset about opposition fan chants. it's not healthy, they often say quite nasty things. you shag one sheep. [Post edited 27 Mar 9:02]
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"I am happy to be lied to by the chairman of my football club and taken for a fool" | | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:28 - Mar 27 with 1078 views | lowhouseblue |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:25 - Mar 27 by CastroSito |
"I am happy to be lied to by the chairman of my football club and taken for a fool" |
perhaps its just not the most important thing in the world for most supporters? perhaps they have a wider perspective? perhaps they can cope with diverse opinions? [Post edited 27 Mar 9:29]
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| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:30 - Mar 27 with 1067 views | Butterbing |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:28 - Mar 27 by lowhouseblue |
perhaps its just not the most important thing in the world for most supporters? perhaps they have a wider perspective? perhaps they can cope with diverse opinions? [Post edited 27 Mar 9:29]
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What about the players and staff that he has angered?
As a supporter of the team do you not think that team spirit and morale at a key point of the season might be important? |  | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:31 - Mar 27 with 1053 views | CastroSito |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:28 - Mar 27 by lowhouseblue |
perhaps its just not the most important thing in the world for most supporters? perhaps they have a wider perspective? perhaps they can cope with diverse opinions? [Post edited 27 Mar 9:29]
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Yeah, honesty isn't an important issue at all, and lying isn't a 'diverse opinion'. | | | |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:31 - Mar 27 with 1034 views | lowhouseblue |
| Every hour that passes without action makes the owners seem more complicit on 09:30 - Mar 27 by Butterbing |
What about the players and staff that he has angered?
As a supporter of the team do you not think that team spirit and morale at a key point of the season might be important? |
perhaps even players can separate another person's political views from their own? perhaps they can respect someone even when they disagree with him politically. i'm told that is possible. | |
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