| Blue Monday Podcast 20:56 - Mar 29 with 6352 views | andyblue231 |
(Which I absolutely love).
General feeling seems to be a willingness to move on. Though with real frustration over the way it’s been handled. Certainly seemed to be the thrust of most of the commenters in the chat.
Finding it hard to forgive and forget without more contrition from Ashton but I may be on the wrong side of the public mood.
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:17 - Mar 30 with 957 views | HampBlue |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 11:31 - Mar 30 by Garv |
Surprised to see so much criticism of BM on this thread, people saying they've 'bottled it', whatever 'it' actually is.
They're a bunch of fans that talk about football once or twice a week and discuss what the team selection should be and what formation to play, they shouldn't be held to account like this or be expected to take a strong view either way.
You either want politics out of the conversation or you don't, but it seems people want them to nail their colours to the mast. It would have been totally justified in my view if they'd not made one mention of the whole thing and done their usual pre-match podcast in the build up to the Brum game. |
Spot on.
Think it shows why people are so unengaged about politics now (myself included). It's so polarised that you even get shouted down on here for wanting to move on or not caring. I got called a 'centralist' as some form of insult for trying to offer some perspective on Youtube....
Was I disappointed about how the club was used? Yes
Did the club F up? Yes
Was the initial outrage justified? Mostly
Have the club heard the fans? Yes. And apologised.
Is it time to move on? 100%.
People who are desperately calling for Ashtons head are almost certainly personally upset due to their personal political views, and that's fine, but don't start coming at people who personally have a balanced view about this and/or politics in general.
Tbf other than the same few posters on here, it feels like most have moved on now. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:20 - Mar 30 with 943 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:17 - Mar 30 by HampBlue |
Spot on.
Think it shows why people are so unengaged about politics now (myself included). It's so polarised that you even get shouted down on here for wanting to move on or not caring. I got called a 'centralist' as some form of insult for trying to offer some perspective on Youtube....
Was I disappointed about how the club was used? Yes
Did the club F up? Yes
Was the initial outrage justified? Mostly
Have the club heard the fans? Yes. And apologised.
Is it time to move on? 100%.
People who are desperately calling for Ashtons head are almost certainly personally upset due to their personal political views, and that's fine, but don't start coming at people who personally have a balanced view about this and/or politics in general.
Tbf other than the same few posters on here, it feels like most have moved on now. |
Have the club heard the fans? Yes. And apologised.
I'm sorry that I need to ask you this, but I have for most who have brought this up. It is a genuine question that I am yet to hear the answer for.
What is it that Ashton has actually apologised for? (Not why has he apologised, but what is the stated reason for the apology?)
Also:
People who are desperately calling for Ashtons head are almost certainly personally upset due to their personal political views
I suggest (and I totally appreciate if you have neither the time, nor the inclination) you read the board from the past couple of days to see that whilst, yes, for some people, politics does come into it. For a large number of us this has nothing to do with politics at all.
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:21 - Mar 30 with 939 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:17 - Mar 30 by HampBlue |
Spot on.
Think it shows why people are so unengaged about politics now (myself included). It's so polarised that you even get shouted down on here for wanting to move on or not caring. I got called a 'centralist' as some form of insult for trying to offer some perspective on Youtube....
Was I disappointed about how the club was used? Yes
Did the club F up? Yes
Was the initial outrage justified? Mostly
Have the club heard the fans? Yes. And apologised.
Is it time to move on? 100%.
People who are desperately calling for Ashtons head are almost certainly personally upset due to their personal political views, and that's fine, but don't start coming at people who personally have a balanced view about this and/or politics in general.
Tbf other than the same few posters on here, it feels like most have moved on now. |
"People who are desperately calling for Ashtons head are almost certainly personally upset due to their personal political views"
Or just care about accountability and don't enjoy the CEO/Chairman lying to the media and consequently the fans, after their actions divided the fanbase to an extent I haven't seen before. |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:33 - Mar 30 with 886 views | HampBlue |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:20 - Mar 30 by TheMoralMajority |
Have the club heard the fans? Yes. And apologised.
I'm sorry that I need to ask you this, but I have for most who have brought this up. It is a genuine question that I am yet to hear the answer for.
What is it that Ashton has actually apologised for? (Not why has he apologised, but what is the stated reason for the apology?)
Also:
People who are desperately calling for Ashtons head are almost certainly personally upset due to their personal political views
I suggest (and I totally appreciate if you have neither the time, nor the inclination) you read the board from the past couple of days to see that whilst, yes, for some people, politics does come into it. For a large number of us this has nothing to do with politics at all.
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What is it that Ashton has actually apologised for? (Not why has he apologised, but what is the stated reason for the apology?)
'For the staff hurting, the fans hurting and the community for the events of this week.'
'As chairman of the club I take full responsibility'
'Lessons have to be Learnt'
It's a deliberately managed statement to try to not draw things out longer. I dare say it's to protect people who did make a mistake, to stop them falling victim of a witch hunt?
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I suggest (and I totally appreciate if you have neither the time, nor the inclination) you read the board from the past couple of days to see that whilst, yes, for some people, politics does come into it. For a large number of us this has nothing to do with politics at all.
Fair - Was probably a bit of a blanket statement, but I do feel the majority are moving past it now | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:37 - Mar 30 with 866 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:33 - Mar 30 by HampBlue |
What is it that Ashton has actually apologised for? (Not why has he apologised, but what is the stated reason for the apology?)
'For the staff hurting, the fans hurting and the community for the events of this week.'
'As chairman of the club I take full responsibility'
'Lessons have to be Learnt'
It's a deliberately managed statement to try to not draw things out longer. I dare say it's to protect people who did make a mistake, to stop them falling victim of a witch hunt?
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I suggest (and I totally appreciate if you have neither the time, nor the inclination) you read the board from the past couple of days to see that whilst, yes, for some people, politics does come into it. For a large number of us this has nothing to do with politics at all.
Fair - Was probably a bit of a blanket statement, but I do feel the majority are moving past it now |
It's a deliberately managed statement to try to not draw things out longer. I dare say it's to protect people who did make a mistake, to stop them falling victim of a witch hunt?
In my opinion (and just my opinion, mind), I think that is an incredibly generous reading. It's the classic "I'm sorry the offensive thing I did offended you" whilst making no admission of culpability, wrong doing or accountability. It is the bare minimum that he was forced to do because an international news paper had receipts and went to press (and even then, I'm being generous, it is always "we" not "I")
The issue for me is that an apology for nothing is no apology at all.
Ultimately, I completely respect that this is enough for you, but sadly (and I wish this were not true) my trust for the current leadership has been irrevocably broken. A leadership that had my 100% backing just one week ago.
I find it all very sad, tbh. [Post edited 30 Mar 13:38]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:50 - Mar 30 with 823 views | hype313 |
At least they've done something, albeit a little undercooked, Nothing from Suffolk Crunch, TT, Kings Of Anglia, Lifes a Pitch.
Took the Athletic article to get a piece from Mark Heath.
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:08 - Mar 30 with 779 views | jayessess |
As someone who's got some fairly minor involvement in the BM pod (I write/edit the blog that's attached to their subscription service Top Tier) and obviously I have got pretty determined views on this myself (which I ended up putting on my personal blog rather than theirs - https://bluewhitenotes.beehiiv ), I've got nothing but sympathy for them.
They are a group of people with other day jobs who signed up to chat over the football they watch at the weekend. They are absolutely well within their rights to not want to court being yelled at by all and sundry over their political views on top of that. Ben Bloom running a Championship fan channel already gets tonnes of nasty stuff just from the sodding football. We also saw with Louise Cobbold that you don't even need to do anything to be swarmed by some of the nastiest people on the internet just for existing in the vicinity of this whole shambles.
Just another example of the invidious position the club has put everyone associated with it in. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:09]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:10 - Mar 30 with 767 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:08 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
As someone who's got some fairly minor involvement in the BM pod (I write/edit the blog that's attached to their subscription service Top Tier) and obviously I have got pretty determined views on this myself (which I ended up putting on my personal blog rather than theirs - https://bluewhitenotes.beehiiv ), I've got nothing but sympathy for them.
They are a group of people with other day jobs who signed up to chat over the football they watch at the weekend. They are absolutely well within their rights to not want to court being yelled at by all and sundry over their political views on top of that. Ben Bloom running a Championship fan channel already gets tonnes of nasty stuff just from the sodding football. We also saw with Louise Cobbold that you don't even need to do anything to be swarmed by some of the nastiest people on the internet just for existing in the vicinity of this whole shambles.
Just another example of the invidious position the club has put everyone associated with it in. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:09]
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Your link didn't work, so I took the liberty of fixing it for you:
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:17 - Mar 30 with 743 views | jayessess |
thanks, I think a bracket may have been in the wrong place! | |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:26 - Mar 30 with 710 views | rkc123 |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 11:31 - Mar 30 by Garv |
Surprised to see so much criticism of BM on this thread, people saying they've 'bottled it', whatever 'it' actually is.
They're a bunch of fans that talk about football once or twice a week and discuss what the team selection should be and what formation to play, they shouldn't be held to account like this or be expected to take a strong view either way.
You either want politics out of the conversation or you don't, but it seems people want them to nail their colours to the mast. It would have been totally justified in my view if they'd not made one mention of the whole thing and done their usual pre-match podcast in the build up to the Brum game. |
I think they obviously didn't want to cover it, but given they did I think it's fair for people to have an opinion on whether they did a good job of it.
I think as a couple of others have said, Rich did okay, but I thought Ben did a poor job of the whole thing. I think he questioned at one point whether the club should have been smarter when Reform turned up with the shirts, when it's been established that they were in fact a gift from the club (I realise this is just the claim from the Athletic piece, but at this point if the club don't want to offer any counter to that claim then I think we must accept that the Athletics version of events are the facts).
I think he also must have said "Bless him" about 5 times in reference to his reaction when seeing MA in the apology video, I can think of many things I could say about my reaction to Ashton in that video, and bless him would be quite low on the list. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:28]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:42 - Mar 30 with 664 views | grow_our_own |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:26 - Mar 30 by rkc123 |
I think they obviously didn't want to cover it, but given they did I think it's fair for people to have an opinion on whether they did a good job of it.
I think as a couple of others have said, Rich did okay, but I thought Ben did a poor job of the whole thing. I think he questioned at one point whether the club should have been smarter when Reform turned up with the shirts, when it's been established that they were in fact a gift from the club (I realise this is just the claim from the Athletic piece, but at this point if the club don't want to offer any counter to that claim then I think we must accept that the Athletics version of events are the facts).
I think he also must have said "Bless him" about 5 times in reference to his reaction when seeing MA in the apology video, I can think of many things I could say about my reaction to Ashton in that video, and bless him would be quite low on the list. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:28]
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BM had a choice. They chose to sweep this under the carpet to forlornly assuage division among fans and keep eyeballs on their content (£££). They chose to retain club access. They chose not to stand-up for what ITFC is. Last week is not ITFC.
"bunch of fans that talk about football once or twice a week ... shouldn't be held to account like this" - they aren't just any old bunch of fans talking about football. They're Ipswich fans talking about Ipswich. Two thirds of whom want Ashton out as a result of politicising the club, lying about it, and admitting no wrong-doing. I generally find BM insightful (especially Joe Fairs), but by soft-balling last night, they failed to represent Ipswich supporters. Pretty much done with Ben Bloom. [Post edited 30 Mar 16:05]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:46 - Mar 30 with 654 views | jasondozzell |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:42 - Mar 30 by grow_our_own |
BM had a choice. They chose to sweep this under the carpet to forlornly assuage division among fans and keep eyeballs on their content (£££). They chose to retain club access. They chose not to stand-up for what ITFC is. Last week is not ITFC.
"bunch of fans that talk about football once or twice a week ... shouldn't be held to account like this" - they aren't just any old bunch of fans talking about football. They're Ipswich fans talking about Ipswich. Two thirds of whom want Ashton out as a result of politicising the club, lying about it, and admitting no wrong-doing. I generally find BM insightful (especially Joe Fairs), but by soft-balling last night, they failed to represent Ipswich supporters. Pretty much done with Ben Bloom. [Post edited 30 Mar 16:05]
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Completely agree.
Very, very disappointed with Blue Monday.
Framed it as being fair to all views but in reality they've decided to go very easy on Ashton and the club.
Stop saying 'bless him'!
I am big fan of the podcast and the individuals but think this was a cop out. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:46]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:47 - Mar 30 with 648 views | budgiebasher |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:08 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
As someone who's got some fairly minor involvement in the BM pod (I write/edit the blog that's attached to their subscription service Top Tier) and obviously I have got pretty determined views on this myself (which I ended up putting on my personal blog rather than theirs - https://bluewhitenotes.beehiiv ), I've got nothing but sympathy for them.
They are a group of people with other day jobs who signed up to chat over the football they watch at the weekend. They are absolutely well within their rights to not want to court being yelled at by all and sundry over their political views on top of that. Ben Bloom running a Championship fan channel already gets tonnes of nasty stuff just from the sodding football. We also saw with Louise Cobbold that you don't even need to do anything to be swarmed by some of the nastiest people on the internet just for existing in the vicinity of this whole shambles.
Just another example of the invidious position the club has put everyone associated with it in. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:09]
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Thank you very much for the blog. It distils all my feelings on the subject perfectly and has helped me understand them better. I share your values and your pain. I was hoping that BM would do similar but take your point about how it is more difficult for them [Post edited 30 Mar 14:48]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:57 - Mar 30 with 604 views | jasondozzell |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 13:17 - Mar 30 by HampBlue |
Spot on.
Think it shows why people are so unengaged about politics now (myself included). It's so polarised that you even get shouted down on here for wanting to move on or not caring. I got called a 'centralist' as some form of insult for trying to offer some perspective on Youtube....
Was I disappointed about how the club was used? Yes
Did the club F up? Yes
Was the initial outrage justified? Mostly
Have the club heard the fans? Yes. And apologised.
Is it time to move on? 100%.
People who are desperately calling for Ashtons head are almost certainly personally upset due to their personal political views, and that's fine, but don't start coming at people who personally have a balanced view about this and/or politics in general.
Tbf other than the same few posters on here, it feels like most have moved on now. |
Huge holes in what you are saying.
Club claims it is apolitical while facilitating a political campaign using the club's brand. Which is it?
Club claims to have heard the fans while it has refused to show transparency and offered an insulting and patronising 'apology' which doesn't even say what the apology is for!!!!!!
Time to move on? No. Club is having its reputation damaged severely.
No moving on until Ashton goes. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:58]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:02 - Mar 30 with 562 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:08 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
As someone who's got some fairly minor involvement in the BM pod (I write/edit the blog that's attached to their subscription service Top Tier) and obviously I have got pretty determined views on this myself (which I ended up putting on my personal blog rather than theirs - https://bluewhitenotes.beehiiv ), I've got nothing but sympathy for them.
They are a group of people with other day jobs who signed up to chat over the football they watch at the weekend. They are absolutely well within their rights to not want to court being yelled at by all and sundry over their political views on top of that. Ben Bloom running a Championship fan channel already gets tonnes of nasty stuff just from the sodding football. We also saw with Louise Cobbold that you don't even need to do anything to be swarmed by some of the nastiest people on the internet just for existing in the vicinity of this whole shambles.
Just another example of the invidious position the club has put everyone associated with it in. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:09]
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That was a great blog mate.
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:21 - Mar 30 with 518 views | bluelagos |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:08 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
As someone who's got some fairly minor involvement in the BM pod (I write/edit the blog that's attached to their subscription service Top Tier) and obviously I have got pretty determined views on this myself (which I ended up putting on my personal blog rather than theirs - https://bluewhitenotes.beehiiv ), I've got nothing but sympathy for them.
They are a group of people with other day jobs who signed up to chat over the football they watch at the weekend. They are absolutely well within their rights to not want to court being yelled at by all and sundry over their political views on top of that. Ben Bloom running a Championship fan channel already gets tonnes of nasty stuff just from the sodding football. We also saw with Louise Cobbold that you don't even need to do anything to be swarmed by some of the nastiest people on the internet just for existing in the vicinity of this whole shambles.
Just another example of the invidious position the club has put everyone associated with it in. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:09]
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You ok with my sharing that elsewhere?
Brilliant blog |  |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:30 - Mar 30 with 486 views | jasondozzell |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:08 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
As someone who's got some fairly minor involvement in the BM pod (I write/edit the blog that's attached to their subscription service Top Tier) and obviously I have got pretty determined views on this myself (which I ended up putting on my personal blog rather than theirs - https://bluewhitenotes.beehiiv ), I've got nothing but sympathy for them.
They are a group of people with other day jobs who signed up to chat over the football they watch at the weekend. They are absolutely well within their rights to not want to court being yelled at by all and sundry over their political views on top of that. Ben Bloom running a Championship fan channel already gets tonnes of nasty stuff just from the sodding football. We also saw with Louise Cobbold that you don't even need to do anything to be swarmed by some of the nastiest people on the internet just for existing in the vicinity of this whole shambles.
Just another example of the invidious position the club has put everyone associated with it in. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:09]
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Outstanding blog.
Thank you for writing it.
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:33 - Mar 30 with 477 views | ReusersTown |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 09:04 - Mar 30 by Zx1988 |
Is it a question of fall-back positions and relative power?
If the club wants to take issue with the EADT, they've got stuff they can fall back on, and the EADT can reciprocate in terms of refusing to be the club's PR mouthpiece.
If Blue Monday lose whatever privileges they have with the club, that's probably it for them. |
Just wondering what privileges they would have with the club? | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:34 - Mar 30 with 474 views | jayessess |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:21 - Mar 30 by bluelagos |
You ok with my sharing that elsewhere?
Brilliant blog |
Yeah, of course | |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:36 - Mar 30 with 466 views | NedPlimpton |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:08 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
As someone who's got some fairly minor involvement in the BM pod (I write/edit the blog that's attached to their subscription service Top Tier) and obviously I have got pretty determined views on this myself (which I ended up putting on my personal blog rather than theirs - https://bluewhitenotes.beehiiv ), I've got nothing but sympathy for them.
They are a group of people with other day jobs who signed up to chat over the football they watch at the weekend. They are absolutely well within their rights to not want to court being yelled at by all and sundry over their political views on top of that. Ben Bloom running a Championship fan channel already gets tonnes of nasty stuff just from the sodding football. We also saw with Louise Cobbold that you don't even need to do anything to be swarmed by some of the nastiest people on the internet just for existing in the vicinity of this whole shambles.
Just another example of the invidious position the club has put everyone associated with it in. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:09]
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Superb blog
I find my self in a very similar position, both in terms of personal circumstances and a weird apathy towards ITFC that I've never felt before
Perhaps i'll feel better with time, but I'll never forget/forgive the way that Ashton has used our club and then treated us all with utter contempt in his handling of it |  | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:40 - Mar 30 with 446 views | HampBlue |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 14:57 - Mar 30 by jasondozzell |
Huge holes in what you are saying.
Club claims it is apolitical while facilitating a political campaign using the club's brand. Which is it?
Club claims to have heard the fans while it has refused to show transparency and offered an insulting and patronising 'apology' which doesn't even say what the apology is for!!!!!!
Time to move on? No. Club is having its reputation damaged severely.
No moving on until Ashton goes. [Post edited 30 Mar 14:58]
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I actually do appreciate your view - I just have a different one & I think calling for Ashton to go is not the right move.
There will be reasons to not be transparent, we actually see that in politics all the time, let alone in the corporate world. Protecting individuals, not wanting to turn it into a 'he said, she said'. Or maybe Ashtons protecting himself - But we shouldn't just assume it's the latter.
I hate the fact Farage was able to use the club in this way. I hate the club (probably decisions made beneath Ashton) handled it how they did. But it's clear the message has been sent by fans and they've received it.
This is my POV as to why it's time to move on. I want him to stay as for the things I really care about (Action on the pitch, foundation, the stadium, basically everything has improved under his reign). This mistake for allowing the video to happen & the handling of the initial fallout isn't enough to offset it for me. Again, I get others have an alternative view, largely because of the snake oil salesman involved. [Post edited 30 Mar 15:41]
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:42 - Mar 30 with 433 views | bluelagos |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:34 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
Yeah, of course |
Done. Now for an evening blocking all the abuse - I reckon 50 repliers?
Will see :-) | |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:46 - Mar 30 with 415 views | jayessess |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:42 - Mar 30 by bluelagos |
Done. Now for an evening blocking all the abuse - I reckon 50 repliers?
Will see :-) |
As I note in the blog, I've had worse over the years! | |
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| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:48 - Mar 30 with 410 views | ReusersTown |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:40 - Mar 30 by HampBlue |
I actually do appreciate your view - I just have a different one & I think calling for Ashton to go is not the right move.
There will be reasons to not be transparent, we actually see that in politics all the time, let alone in the corporate world. Protecting individuals, not wanting to turn it into a 'he said, she said'. Or maybe Ashtons protecting himself - But we shouldn't just assume it's the latter.
I hate the fact Farage was able to use the club in this way. I hate the club (probably decisions made beneath Ashton) handled it how they did. But it's clear the message has been sent by fans and they've received it.
This is my POV as to why it's time to move on. I want him to stay as for the things I really care about (Action on the pitch, foundation, the stadium, basically everything has improved under his reign). This mistake for allowing the video to happen & the handling of the initial fallout isn't enough to offset it for me. Again, I get others have an alternative view, largely because of the snake oil salesman involved. [Post edited 30 Mar 15:41]
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We should assume it is the latter when all other sources point to that, and he is refusing to comment on it in any meaningful way which he clearly would if it was actually untrue, he's not exactly shy in coming forwards.
Your attempt to shift the blame to those below Ashton is just plain odd considering he's had lunch with him and has been caught gifting him shirts.
I can't believe people like you care falling I to the basically no comment corporate trap of him basically just apologising for nothing. It's maddening. | | | |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:51 - Mar 30 with 398 views | bluelagos |
| Blue Monday Podcast on 15:46 - Mar 30 by jayessess |
As I note in the blog, I've had worse over the years! |
Just redone - why I am useless on social media - I linked the Ipswich witches ticket site by mistake! | |
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