| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:28 - May 14 with 1524 views | BackToRussia |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:24 - May 14 by Bellevue_Blue |
But surely there are enormous betting issues with amending the facts after the result?
People will have bet on Soton to win, players to score, teams to progress.
You can't just go back and say that team won 3-0.
They had these pictures before the first leg even happened. |
Will someone please think about the gambling industry?! |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:29 - May 14 with 1526 views | TheMover |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 16:43 - May 14 by pingu67 |
If the EFL award a final place to boro, is there an appeal process saints can take which would delay things further? |
I think their regulations specify 14 days, which was due to expire the day before the final. If they change it then it could open up a legal issue, I guess. |  | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:34 - May 14 with 1497 views | OldFart71 |
Does EFL stand for Every Falling Leaf ? | | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:35 - May 14 with 1487 views | monty_radio |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 16:51 - May 14 by _CliveBaker_ |
Think I read they've been given a couple of days off but told not to go away anywhere.
Its a right mess. |
I'm gonna lay down my travelin' shoes
Down by the riverside
Gonna study VAR no more. | |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:48 - May 14 with 1454 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:28 - May 14 by BackToRussia |
Will someone please think about the gambling industry?! |
It's another consideration isn't it?
The Sky Bet sponsorship deal alone is reportedly worth £73m over five years, or approximately £14.6m per season. Almost 8% of the EFLs annual revenue.
That's not including everyone else who would have to sort all this nonsense out if you suddenly started reversing scores. | | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:53 - May 14 with 1432 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 16:43 - May 14 by pingu67 |
If the EFL award a final place to boro, is there an appeal process saints can take which would delay things further? |
They'll be playing the final on the beach. |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:13 - May 14 with 1373 views | WeWereZombies |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:24 - May 14 by Bellevue_Blue |
But surely there are enormous betting issues with amending the facts after the result?
People will have bet on Soton to win, players to score, teams to progress.
You can't just go back and say that team won 3-0.
They had these pictures before the first leg even happened. |
If we start determining the rules of football by what suits the betting companies then all is lost (sic)... |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:23 - May 14 with 1341 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:13 - May 14 by WeWereZombies |
If we start determining the rules of football by what suits the betting companies then all is lost (sic)... |
It is a modern day reality isn't it?
The stakeholders have more power then they've ever had before. And when we are talking about the 'rules', we are really talking about a punishment and there is no set punishment for this crime. That leaves room for those powerful voices to have influence.
The path of least resistance is more than likely the path the EFL will end up taking here. | | | |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:26 - May 14 with 1335 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:23 - May 14 by Bellevue_Blue |
It is a modern day reality isn't it?
The stakeholders have more power then they've ever had before. And when we are talking about the 'rules', we are really talking about a punishment and there is no set punishment for this crime. That leaves room for those powerful voices to have influence.
The path of least resistance is more than likely the path the EFL will end up taking here. |
As ever with these companies, they will turn it into a massive marketing opportunity - they unlikely to be the losers here | | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:40 - May 14 with 1299 views | WeWereZombies |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:26 - May 14 by Exiled2Surrey |
As ever with these companies, they will turn it into a massive marketing opportunity - they unlikely to be the losers here |
When you stop and think about it what Southampton have alleged to have done opens up tremendous possibilities for match fixing. | |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:43 - May 14 with 1289 views | Bluespeed225 |
In other news, we’re up!!! | | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 19:09 - May 14 with 1213 views | Scuzzer |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:43 - May 14 by Bluespeed225 |
In other news, we’re up!!! |
Unless it is decided that the whole of the season needs to be replayed. |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 19:24 - May 14 with 1160 views | Ryorry |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:24 - May 14 by Bellevue_Blue |
But surely there are enormous betting issues with amending the facts after the result?
People will have bet on Soton to win, players to score, teams to progress.
You can't just go back and say that team won 3-0.
They had these pictures before the first leg even happened. |
Could be made just an official result, not an actual result.
Bit similar to some racing results following a stewards enquiry which disqualifies the actual winner, then awards the official win to the originally second-placed horse.
On a different note, might the delay to the po final date affect some players going to the world cup? |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 19:34 - May 14 with 1133 views | GeoffSentence |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 18:43 - May 14 by Bluespeed225 |
In other news, we’re up!!! |
And thank feck for that. I would not want to be part of this circus. |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 20:42 - May 14 with 1041 views | Dennyx4 |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 19:24 - May 14 by Ryorry |
Could be made just an official result, not an actual result.
Bit similar to some racing results following a stewards enquiry which disqualifies the actual winner, then awards the official win to the originally second-placed horse.
On a different note, might the delay to the po final date affect some players going to the world cup? |
It would depend on how long it is delayed.
The issue needs resolving asap, think it will have an outcome early next week. |  | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 20:56 - May 14 with 1012 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:24 - May 14 by Bellevue_Blue |
But surely there are enormous betting issues with amending the facts after the result?
People will have bet on Soton to win, players to score, teams to progress.
You can't just go back and say that team won 3-0.
They had these pictures before the first leg even happened. |
Er, yes you can overrule a result. The EFL are under no obligation to consider voting patterns when applying their rules. The betting companies would need to sort out any fallout- it’s unrelated to the EFL’s processes. |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 21:05 - May 14 with 980 views | cooperd5 |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 20:56 - May 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Er, yes you can overrule a result. The EFL are under no obligation to consider voting patterns when applying their rules. The betting companies would need to sort out any fallout- it’s unrelated to the EFL’s processes. |
Apparently Steve Gibson at Middlesbrough is engaging 'top sports lawyer' Nick Di Marco so they're not going quietly if EFL do slap Southampton's wrist. |  | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 22:06 - May 14 with 879 views | strikalite |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 19:24 - May 14 by Ryorry |
Could be made just an official result, not an actual result.
Bit similar to some racing results following a stewards enquiry which disqualifies the actual winner, then awards the official win to the originally second-placed horse.
On a different note, might the delay to the po final date affect some players going to the world cup? |
The thing is those rules are in place, I don't think there is any ruling in place for this is there? Or it would have been sorted..
It'll be a fine, then they'll put a harsher ruling in place. |  | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 22:18 - May 14 with 845 views | Dennyx4 |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 22:06 - May 14 by strikalite |
The thing is those rules are in place, I don't think there is any ruling in place for this is there? Or it would have been sorted..
It'll be a fine, then they'll put a harsher ruling in place. |
I believe when Leeds did it a few years back they were fined, but it was said the punishment would be harsher next time, as there wasn’t a rule specifically covering this.
A rule was then added specifically about this, but not detailing the punishment. Obviously, the punishment will be decided by the independent panel. | | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 00:21 - May 15 with 731 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Boro getting as bye and going up after all this would really annoy me. I knows likely preferable for us but they’ve bottled it over and over again. Their fans are whinny as f..ck as well. I mean the chances they missed that first leg. |  |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 00:23 - May 15 with 720 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 16:57 - May 14 by bsw72 |
The regulations stipulate spying within 72 hours of a fixture, so I reckon it would be the first leg which would be awarded to Boro as a 3-0 win, making it a 4-2 aggregate win overall. |
The second game would have been completely different, they can’t do that surely. | |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 07:23 - May 15 with 588 views | blueprint |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 16:30 - May 14 by TractorJack |
Was that to do with Southampton asking for more time? They should have said no! |
More time to find an excuse? Chuck them out. |  | | |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 08:12 - May 15 with 530 views | StokieBlue |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 00:23 - May 15 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
The second game would have been completely different, they can’t do that surely. |
What would you do? It's extremely difficult now the EFL have let the matches be played.
For instance, if it's a fine then unless the fine is 140m then it actually incentivises more spying from any team in and around the playoffs and automatic promotion. If you can spy, get fined 2m but make a 138m profit on the exercise then many teams may see that as acceptable.
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 09:10 - May 15 with 469 views | GeoffSentence |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 17:29 - May 14 by TheMover |
I think their regulations specify 14 days, which was due to expire the day before the final. If they change it then it could open up a legal issue, I guess. |
They've opened up the possibility of moving the final now, possibly because of this.
Given the mayhem this has all caused, and assuming their guilt, Southampton should have the book thrown at them. | |
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| Play off final could be delayed... on 09:25 - May 15 with 445 views | hype313 |
| Play off final could be delayed... on 22:18 - May 14 by Dennyx4 |
I believe when Leeds did it a few years back they were fined, but it was said the punishment would be harsher next time, as there wasn’t a rule specifically covering this.
A rule was then added specifically about this, but not detailing the punishment. Obviously, the punishment will be decided by the independent panel. |
That's the issue, they put in the rules that it was cheating but didn't stipulate what the punishment would be.
If it was simply a significant fine and 6 point deduction the following season regardless of division it would be pretty clear cut.
That's pre supposing the EFL and PL and aligned their thinking when it comes to cross division points deductions, you would've thought after the Leicester debacle, they would've tightened that up after Leicester were doing their best Micheal Flatley impression moving in between divisions. |  |
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