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Labour MP says he's resigning so Andy Burnham can stand
Labour MP Josh Simons has just issued a statement: "Today, I am putting the people I represent and the country I love first and will be resigning as MP for Makerfield.
I am standing aside so that Andy Burnham can return to his home."
Good work by Philogene...... GREAT WORK BY PHILOGENE!!!
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 22:30 - May 18 by reusersfreekicks
Burnham was awful in the 2015 contest Yvette Cooper was much better. Plus, as you well know, a lot of people took advantage of the cheap quasi membership to vote for Corbyn
My point being that party members vote for poor outcomes. Corbyn, Truss etc.
So a survey of party members is not a great bellwether of competence.
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“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 22:30 - May 18 by reusersfreekicks
Burnham was awful in the 2015 contest Yvette Cooper was much better. Plus, as you well know, a lot of people took advantage of the cheap quasi membership to vote for Corbyn
Did you go to any of the hustings?
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 08:58 - May 19 with 914 views
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 21:27 - May 18 by Dubtractor
Just sharing this for those of us that think Streeting would be a disastrous choice for leader/PM. or indeed for those under the illusion that he would be a good choice.
4% of Labour Party members pick Wes Streeting as their first choice for Labour leader
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:46 - May 19 by DJR
I think a lot of it is down to the fact that he has failed before, and this is something that would be mercilessly seized on by the right wing media.
Agreed. He would be my first choice ahead of Burnham, if I thought there was any chance of him winning. But the press would have a field day with him even more than they did last time.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 10:20 - May 19 with 842 views
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 08:58 - May 19 by Swansea_Blue
Oof! What’s up with Ed? From the outside he looks like possibly the best of the bunch and most likely to have a wider voter appeal.
Where to start with Ed. Failed against Cameron in 2015. Betrayed 1000s of Syrians who were murdered by Assad. The “Ed Stone”. The late night visit to Russell Brand in the eve of the election to court the youth vote.
It would be like us getting Hurst back.
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“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it........."
All this chat in the media about Burnham and Starmer is so tedious - I honestly don't even think that Burnham will win the byelection - even his allies say it's about a 45% chance. 45%!
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 10:30 - May 18 by DJR
I think a party being in government puts time pressures on the sort of proper debate about ideas that would take place when in opposition. There are also aspects of the manifesto which politically limit things, including a commitment not to join the customs union or the single market.
Indeed, it's a reason leadership changes ideally shouldn't take place when in government, but the pass has been sold on that.
For my own part, and I didn't vote for Brexit, I think it should as a matter of democratic principle be off the table for quite some time, just as people say the Scottish independence vote settled things for a generation.
And here is a couple of snippets from the Guardian with which I agree.
The Labour MP Jonathan Hinder told the Today programme this morning that for Wes Streeting to suggest the UK should rejoin the EU was a “staggering level of out of touch”.
Hinder said:
We are just over a week after we took a real beating in our working-class heartlands.
It’s a very long list – we’re talking about the Hartlepools, the Grimsbys, Barnsley, places like Wigan, where this byelection is going to be, and we were losing to a party [Reform UK] which until recently was called the Brexit party.
And to suggest the solution now is for us to reopen that debate is just staggering, and the Labour party is in an existential crisis, it really is, and the idea that we can reconnect to our working-class base by reopening this debate is just a staggering level of out of touch."
In almost all his interviews this morning, David Lammy, the deputy PM, urged Labour to abandon infighting, warning that if the party did not unite, it would pave the way for a Reform UK election victory.
He told Sky News:
Now is the time to stop the own goals, to get on the pitch, to pass the ball amongst ourselves, to play in the right direction, to score some goals on behalf of the British public.
Introspection and internecine warfare – effectively, some of our colleagues lighting the match and standing in the petrol – that is not what’s going to deliver for the British people.
That’s not what’s going to deliver for the British people. What that will usher in is Farage.
The EU did not make our productivity stop improving from the global financial crisis onwards, just as leaving it hasn’t helped. Nor did it make us heavily indebted to the bond markets, or maintain unsustainable welfare spending, or keep a triple-lock pension commitment that will become unaffordable, or be unable to build HS2 efficiently, or have the worst child obesity in Europe, or have too little capital put into scaling up businesses. We did all this to ourselves and we are still doing it. The struggles of the UK were never imposed on us by anyone else and cannot be remedied by anyone but us. Just as Brexit was never the easy solution, nor, on its own, is reversing it.
The security and prosperity of Britain will certainly depend on close co-operation with European allies — that has always been the case, even in the heyday of empire. But before plunging into a new debate about EU membership, Streeting and any potential prime minister needs a clearer strategy. To be successful, such a proposition would need to be put to voters by a strong, popular and successful government. The current administration is light years away from that. It would also need support from a very large and sustained majority in the country, able to withstand the controversial choices that a negotiation with the EU would bring. The EU itself would not take British membership seriously if it thought the country would once again reverse its opinion.
Burnham grew up in the area, sent his children to school in the constituency and he lives just outside it. He was also the MP for nearby Leigh
I suppose it is a bit like saying an MP for Ipswich from Nacton isn't local.
And it does make me realise why he has chosen the seat, not because it is easy but because he has very local connections. And he presumably thinks he has the ability to win over the sort of people Labour need to win over.
And assuming it isn't hype this is interesting.
Anneliese Midgley, the Labour MP who is running the campaign in Makerfield, has sent a message to Labour MPs telling them that, in early canvassing in the constituency, the party has already contacted “lots of people who gave their vote elsewhere” in the local elections who say this time they are planning to vote for Andy Burnham. Max Kendix from the Times has the details.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 19:00 - May 19 with 549 views
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 16:22 - May 19 by DJR
More smears.
Burnham grew up in the area, sent his children to school in the constituency and he lives just outside it. He was also the MP for nearby Leigh
I suppose it is a bit like saying an MP for Ipswich from Nacton isn't local.
And it does make me realise why he has chosen the seat, not because it is easy but because he has very local connections. And he presumably thinks he has the ability to win over the sort of people Labour need to win over.
And assuming it isn't hype this is interesting.
Anneliese Midgley, the Labour MP who is running the campaign in Makerfield, has sent a message to Labour MPs telling them that, in early canvassing in the constituency, the party has already contacted “lots of people who gave their vote elsewhere” in the local elections who say this time they are planning to vote for Andy Burnham. Max Kendix from the Times has the details.
The EU did not make our productivity stop improving from the global financial crisis onwards, just as leaving it hasn’t helped. Nor did it make us heavily indebted to the bond markets, or maintain unsustainable welfare spending, or keep a triple-lock pension commitment that will become unaffordable, or be unable to build HS2 efficiently, or have the worst child obesity in Europe, or have too little capital put into scaling up businesses. We did all this to ourselves and we are still doing it. The struggles of the UK were never imposed on us by anyone else and cannot be remedied by anyone but us. Just as Brexit was never the easy solution, nor, on its own, is reversing it.
The security and prosperity of Britain will certainly depend on close co-operation with European allies — that has always been the case, even in the heyday of empire. But before plunging into a new debate about EU membership, Streeting and any potential prime minister needs a clearer strategy. To be successful, such a proposition would need to be put to voters by a strong, popular and successful government. The current administration is light years away from that. It would also need support from a very large and sustained majority in the country, able to withstand the controversial choices that a negotiation with the EU would bring. The EU itself would not take British membership seriously if it thought the country would once again reverse its opinion.
"So there is much to discuss. The problem is that an open and honest debate is not what we are likely to get. Ten years on from the referendum, Brexit as domestic football is still the order of the day. Whether speaking to the good people of Makerfield or to party members, Labour politicians have a strong incentive simply to say what their audience wants to hear.
All of which will serve merely to irritate the EU. Having watched consecutive Conservative administrations argue with themselves over Brexit, they’re now getting to see Labour do the same thing. And, like the Conservatives, Labour are doing so with precious little attention paid to what the EU might or might not be willing to give us.
Little surprise, then, that the reaction from Brussels is simply a shrug. Let the British play their games. We can talk to them when they’ve actually decided what they want. Albeit what they want might not be on offer, and what is on offer might not be what they want."
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:03 - May 20 with 450 views
Talk of Brexit brings to mind the funereal press conference held by Johnson, Gove and Stuart just after the result of the Brexit vote.
It is my view that it was Johnson who tipped the vote in favour of Brexit, and to my mind this just goes to show it had all been a political game for him just to gain popularity with the Tory party membership. Subsequent events, including the Boriswave, proved this.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 09:30 - May 20 with 414 views
Interesting to note the ignorance with which the current debate on immigration is taking place. Of course it is in the interests of the right that that ignorance isn't corrected but the government could be doing more the put the facts straight,,
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 16:22 - May 19 by DJR
More smears.
Burnham grew up in the area, sent his children to school in the constituency and he lives just outside it. He was also the MP for nearby Leigh
I suppose it is a bit like saying an MP for Ipswich from Nacton isn't local.
And it does make me realise why he has chosen the seat, not because it is easy but because he has very local connections. And he presumably thinks he has the ability to win over the sort of people Labour need to win over.
And assuming it isn't hype this is interesting.
Anneliese Midgley, the Labour MP who is running the campaign in Makerfield, has sent a message to Labour MPs telling them that, in early canvassing in the constituency, the party has already contacted “lots of people who gave their vote elsewhere” in the local elections who say this time they are planning to vote for Andy Burnham. Max Kendix from the Times has the details.
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Pretty disingenuous to push an expensive election narrative when a number of Reform councillors (I've lost track but I think it's >10 now) have stepped down meaning money will need to be spent on electing new councillors.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 08:28 - May 21 with 211 views
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 16:22 - May 19 by DJR
More smears.
Burnham grew up in the area, sent his children to school in the constituency and he lives just outside it. He was also the MP for nearby Leigh
I suppose it is a bit like saying an MP for Ipswich from Nacton isn't local.
And it does make me realise why he has chosen the seat, not because it is easy but because he has very local connections. And he presumably thinks he has the ability to win over the sort of people Labour need to win over.
And assuming it isn't hype this is interesting.
Anneliese Midgley, the Labour MP who is running the campaign in Makerfield, has sent a message to Labour MPs telling them that, in early canvassing in the constituency, the party has already contacted “lots of people who gave their vote elsewhere” in the local elections who say this time they are planning to vote for Andy Burnham. Max Kendix from the Times has the details.
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How many parliamentary seats did Farage stand in before finally winning one? I make it seven. Burnham has only been allowed to put himself forward in this one seat. And Burnham has links to Makerfield, I'm not sure Nige has visited Clacton since the GE. Self-awareness isn't Reform's strong point, nor is not being a bunch of incompetent, racist grifters.
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 08:28 - May 21 by Herbivore
How many parliamentary seats did Farage stand in before finally winning one? I make it seven. Burnham has only been allowed to put himself forward in this one seat. And Burnham has links to Makerfield, I'm not sure Nige has visited Clacton since the GE. Self-awareness isn't Reform's strong point, nor is not being a bunch of incompetent, racist grifters.
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But it will still cut through: someone interviewed in Makerfield said that Burnham is not a local candidate presumably because of posts like that of Reform's.
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MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 08:55 - May 21 with 179 views
MP resigning so Burnham can stand on 08:54 - May 21 by DJR
But it will still cut through: someone interviewed in Makerfield said that Burnham is not a local candidate presumably because of posts like that of Reform's.
Well yes, a large chunk of Reform voters will simply believe what proven liars say to them.
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