| Gary O'Neil 15:32 - Jun 11 with 3213 views | itfcjoe |
Surprised at how people's instant reactions are to be quite anti him, not to say he's one I'd be desperate to appoint - but can see why he'd be seen as a good candidate.
Was a coach at Bournemouth under Scott Parker for their Championship season when they got promoted. Scott Parker threw toys out of pram at end of window and O'Neil was given the job on 30th August - led them to comfortable safety and finished 15th, despite losing last 4 games when they were mathematically safe.
New owner took over mid season and sacked him and replaced him with Iraola, proved to be the right decision but keeping them up as a newly promoted team taking over one day before window shut was a fine achievement.
The following season, Julen Lopetegui resigned less than a week before the season started because the club were cutting right back on finances - sold Neves, , Collins, Coady, Nunes and Raul Jiminez for a combined £135m, let Traore and Moutinho leave on frees who had been big players and spent £45m on Cunha, plus a few million on 2-3 others but squad was much worse.
Kept them up comfortablya nd finished 14th, again slid back at end of season when safety was secured.
The following season turned into a shocker though, culminating in getting sacked after they lost at home to Ipswich - but budgets were cut again - Wolves raised over £100m from transfers and spent about £30m, wage bill cut and there just seemed a massive discipline problem that he couldn't get hold of.....players were acting out massively, so that was a failure and be interested to hear Wolves fans views on who was more to blame for that between playing staff and O'Neil; but can't see we've got a group here who would do that.
He played for Norwich for a couple of seasons but I can live with that personally.
But ultimately, he's gone in late in the close season to 2 clubs, one of which was newly promoted, and kept them both up comfortably which is the goal here. The only goal in reality, both clubs will have had low wage budgets, both squads were deemed not good enough by their incumbent manager and he managed to prove them wrong.
He may not be the long term answer, and may be better options out there, but struggling to see why he is rated so poorly by some? |  |
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| Gary O'Neil on 16:04 - Jun 11 with 733 views | homer_123 |
There are worse options for sure.
It would be neither a 'statement' appointment or an appointment similar to KM. It would literally be 'meh'.
It would be an appointment that shows little to no intent and that would be worrisome. |  |
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| Gary O'Neil on 16:07 - Jun 11 with 718 views | tractorboy1978 |
I think the reality is that it's possible the best appointment at this stage might actually be one that looks a bit 'boring' on paper. The appointment for this season isn't necessarily the one you would want in 12 months time if we stayed up this season.
Getting the recruitment right this summer is our biggest challenge regardless of who the manager is. I feel like we need someone who has managed in the PL or a top European league for at least a couple of seasons. And someone that can convince players to come here. |  | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:09 - Jun 11 with 688 views | Vaughan8 |
I agree. He's not the worst option.
The same people think OGS is the right answer. Weird! | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:10 - Jun 11 with 664 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:54 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
He did it with Bournemouth who came up, their squad was more PL ready as had come straight back up after 3-4 previous PL seasons but were still a newly promoted club.
Was also signed by Mark Ashton as a player at Bristol City so there is a link |
Big link to Ashton. He is a likely appointment. Hopefully he will not spit his dummy out like he did at Wolves, he embarrassed himself there at the end as a supposed top level manager. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:11 - Jun 11 with 667 views | Illinoisblue |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:07 - Jun 11 by tractorboy1978 |
I think the reality is that it's possible the best appointment at this stage might actually be one that looks a bit 'boring' on paper. The appointment for this season isn't necessarily the one you would want in 12 months time if we stayed up this season.
Getting the recruitment right this summer is our biggest challenge regardless of who the manager is. I feel like we need someone who has managed in the PL or a top European league for at least a couple of seasons. And someone that can convince players to come here. |
We could have Klopp and Guardiola as joint managers but as you say, if the recruitment is not good we’ll be down by February. |  |
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| Gary O'Neil on 16:12 - Jun 11 with 644 views | Bellevue_Blue |
This club, this team are a project.
We should be united behind a manager that can take us to the next level and by that, I mean hopefully consistently competing.
If GON replicates his absolute best we stay up but then next season we are talking about upgrading him.
It's not Ipswich and it's not Ashton.
The Hürzeler's, the Iraola's, the Arteta's etc are out there.
We need another builder, another coach, another tactician.
I'm not sure GON will ever be that which is why people are uninspired. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:13 - Jun 11 with 638 views | itfcjoe |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:10 - Jun 11 by WolfieAtTheBack |
Big link to Ashton. He is a likely appointment. Hopefully he will not spit his dummy out like he did at Wolves, he embarrassed himself there at the end as a supposed top level manager. |
Wolves must be a very difficult club to work at, you see that even today where their manager who they brought in for this season and has been instrumental in two signings this week has found out he's sacked on social media - would be interested in a Wolves fan view on it and how much he was to blame | |
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| Gary O'Neil on 16:18 - Jun 11 with 591 views | Vic |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:39 - Jun 11 by Grundisburger |
I mean his record in the league isn’t the greatest, so really if we want to establish ourselves in the prem he should definitely not the first choice |
Joe seems to be saying that GON’s record is actually OK - and cites why he thinks so (that he has a record of keeping clubs up when they were expected to fail. You say otherwise - I’ve no idea on this, but it would help me if you could show your workings out so I can compare you and Joes opinions. Cheers. |  |
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| Gary O'Neil on 16:19 - Jun 11 with 590 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:13 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
Wolves must be a very difficult club to work at, you see that even today where their manager who they brought in for this season and has been instrumental in two signings this week has found out he's sacked on social media - would be interested in a Wolves fan view on it and how much he was to blame |
We are a really good job for a decent manager, not sure GON hits that level, but as mentioned many times there are not loads of candidates to go at when you break it all down.
If the sole objective is to stay in the PL next season at all costs then as much as it pains me to say it a Dyche is likely to grind out 40 points, we don't need to start experimenting and the messaging to the club is clear that next season might not be pretty but we know what needs doing.
What ever happens, whomever comes in they will need to sign 8 - 10 new players so have a lot of knowledge and contacts and work very quickly and pull a new team into shape that can compete. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:19 - Jun 11 with 577 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:43 - Jun 11 by Dennyx4 |
I think the last season at Wolves will be in a lot of Ipswich fans minds. He had an absolute disaster, new manager came in and had the same team performing considerably better.
The team had serious discipline issues whilst he was there, and he either did not know how to correct it, or didnt want to. Again, less disciplinary issues for the replacement manager.
This is the only time he has been in the same league as us, as a manager and will be more noticeable for our fan base.
I am not sure the small Norwich connection, will help him either. It will likely be an appointment, that could divide the fan base, and that is not a great place to start. |
Truth is that most appointments are likely to divide opinion. And any manager with experience that we appoint will have some failure on their CV.
I wouldn't be keen on O'Neil but I wouldn't see it as a bad appointment. Someone said we may as well appoint Allardyce. To be fair, if he were still working that would be a good appointment to give a good chance of staying in the Premier League. Is that a higher priority than playing good football? |  |
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| Gary O'Neil on 16:24 - Jun 11 with 543 views | itfcjoe |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:12 - Jun 11 by Bellevue_Blue |
This club, this team are a project.
We should be united behind a manager that can take us to the next level and by that, I mean hopefully consistently competing.
If GON replicates his absolute best we stay up but then next season we are talking about upgrading him.
It's not Ipswich and it's not Ashton.
The Hürzeler's, the Iraola's, the Arteta's etc are out there.
We need another builder, another coach, another tactician.
I'm not sure GON will ever be that which is why people are uninspired. |
Hurzeler and Iraola both took over off the back of someone else doing the donkey work in helping establish their team to then take it to a new level; had they come straight in to a newly promoted team would they have been able to be so succesful?
We'll never know, but certain managers are better at certain stages of clubs cycles, what we need to do this season is find a way of staying up, whilst continuing to improve the squad with players who can progress as footballers | |
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| Gary O'Neil on 16:25 - Jun 11 with 525 views | Dennyx4 |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:19 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Truth is that most appointments are likely to divide opinion. And any manager with experience that we appoint will have some failure on their CV.
I wouldn't be keen on O'Neil but I wouldn't see it as a bad appointment. Someone said we may as well appoint Allardyce. To be fair, if he were still working that would be a good appointment to give a good chance of staying in the Premier League. Is that a higher priority than playing good football? |
If it is just about trying to stay in the Premier League, Dyche would be a better bet than O’Neil.
Ideally, though you want to be able to build a good footballing team, as well as staying up. |  | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:27 - Jun 11 with 511 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:25 - Jun 11 by Dennyx4 |
If it is just about trying to stay in the Premier League, Dyche would be a better bet than O’Neil.
Ideally, though you want to be able to build a good footballing team, as well as staying up. |
One season of Dyche we could all probably deal with then from there you can start to get a bit fancy. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:27 - Jun 11 with 508 views | nrb1985 |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:07 - Jun 11 by tractorboy1978 |
I think the reality is that it's possible the best appointment at this stage might actually be one that looks a bit 'boring' on paper. The appointment for this season isn't necessarily the one you would want in 12 months time if we stayed up this season.
Getting the recruitment right this summer is our biggest challenge regardless of who the manager is. I feel like we need someone who has managed in the PL or a top European league for at least a couple of seasons. And someone that can convince players to come here. |
On your second point, now the (rightly) omnipotent KM has left the building, it's arguable how much say the new coach will actually have in recruitment this summer or going forward, if indeed we are trying to emulate the Brentford/Brighton model etc. They seem to be able to seamlessly interchange managers without much fuss.
I too would probably prefer somebody with PL or at least english football experience (Hellberg for example) but don't think it's a prerequisite, especially when it comes to transfers. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:27 - Jun 11 with 507 views | Hackneyblueboy |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:44 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
Staying in it by hook or by crook for a year or two is the only way we can establish ourselves and he's managed to stay up twice coming into similar situations |
Who would be your choice Joe? Realistically. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:29 - Jun 11 with 498 views | farkenhell |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:43 - Jun 11 by Dennyx4 |
I think the last season at Wolves will be in a lot of Ipswich fans minds. He had an absolute disaster, new manager came in and had the same team performing considerably better.
The team had serious discipline issues whilst he was there, and he either did not know how to correct it, or didnt want to. Again, less disciplinary issues for the replacement manager.
This is the only time he has been in the same league as us, as a manager and will be more noticeable for our fan base.
I am not sure the small Norwich connection, will help him either. It will likely be an appointment, that could divide the fan base, and that is not a great place to start. |
Your 1st paragraph sums it up for me. Wolves looked like a completely different team after the new manager came in. Prior to that they looked fractured and rudderless, and O'Neil seemed to be incapable of turning it around.
It might sound a little unfair in light of his previous achievements, however I would have some serious reservations based upon his last season in the PL.
That said, I'll support him if he is appointed. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:29 - Jun 11 with 493 views | Vaughan8 |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:12 - Jun 11 by Bellevue_Blue |
This club, this team are a project.
We should be united behind a manager that can take us to the next level and by that, I mean hopefully consistently competing.
If GON replicates his absolute best we stay up but then next season we are talking about upgrading him.
It's not Ipswich and it's not Ashton.
The Hürzeler's, the Iraola's, the Arteta's etc are out there.
We need another builder, another coach, another tactician.
I'm not sure GON will ever be that which is why people are uninspired. |
Hürzeler's - Brighton have had for many years a great continuation plan and the players, both current and youth, are very good.
Iraola - He came from Spain somewhere where he did well?
Arteta - Come on! He's at Arsenal, from being Pep's assistant.
Yes people are around but i'm sure there are loads who failed too. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:38 - Jun 11 with 439 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:27 - Jun 11 by nrb1985 |
On your second point, now the (rightly) omnipotent KM has left the building, it's arguable how much say the new coach will actually have in recruitment this summer or going forward, if indeed we are trying to emulate the Brentford/Brighton model etc. They seem to be able to seamlessly interchange managers without much fuss.
I too would probably prefer somebody with PL or at least english football experience (Hellberg for example) but don't think it's a prerequisite, especially when it comes to transfers. |
Even if players are identified by the recruitment team, ultimately any player is going to speak to the manager, want to know how they fit in and be convinced this is the club they should join. So you do need someone with a bit gravitas and a body of work behind them that backs up what they say. This is why I think considering someone like Brian Barry-Murphy is mad for us at this stage. | | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:38 - Jun 11 with 436 views | Tractor_Buck |
| Gary O'Neil on 16:13 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
Wolves must be a very difficult club to work at, you see that even today where their manager who they brought in for this season and has been instrumental in two signings this week has found out he's sacked on social media - would be interested in a Wolves fan view on it and how much he was to blame |
Here's a couple from people I know:
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| Gary O'Neil on 18:49 - Jun 11 with 298 views | brogansnose |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:44 - Jun 11 by itfcjoe |
Staying in it by hook or by crook for a year or two is the only way we can establish ourselves and he's managed to stay up twice coming into similar situations |
Exactly what you're saying. I'm not looking for a sexy appointment, I just want someone who'll keep us up and get established. I'd rather have a season of survival that a season that ends in glorious relegation. |  | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 18:53 - Jun 11 with 283 views | RadioOrwell |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:47 - Jun 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It's better than McKenna's in fairness. Kept two clubs in the Premier League. |
GON had probably much the better squads than KMK ... will need to confirm. |  | | |
| Gary O'Neil on 19:01 - Jun 11 with 245 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Gary O'Neil on 15:54 - Jun 11 by Illinoisblue |
He’d be definitely preferable to Rob Edwards but I hope we can do better than either of them. |
I’d rather have Edwards than O’Neil…
Both are a bit meh. |  |
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| Gary O'Neil on 19:10 - Jun 11 with 199 views | ottovonbismark |
Very good post, there is some merit in appointing him. There might be bigger names but he has two PL clubs whom he kept in the league after promotion to the PL.
I would prefer him to Ole. | | | |
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