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As someone who has always had a bit of a problem with looking past this system i have just read Mike Bacon in the EADT suggesting its time to revert to it . Wondering what others feel although pretty sure we know what Cookie feels !
I like Mike but basically his whole argument is go 4-4-2 so we can play Piggott and Bonne together. There is always lots of crowing for 4-4-2 on this myth it will equal more chances/goals, when in reality it is just a bad version of 4-2-3-1 IMO. I don't understand why we would switch away to a formation which the team isn't built for and also, will just increase the defensive duties on the two CMs, something that they are already struggling with.
I like Mike but basically his whole argument is go 4-4-2 so we can play Piggott and Bonne together. There is always lots of crowing for 4-4-2 on this myth it will equal more chances/goals, when in reality it is just a bad version of 4-2-3-1 IMO. I don't understand why we would switch away to a formation which the team isn't built for and also, will just increase the defensive duties on the two CMs, something that they are already struggling with.
I don't get the obsession with it. Most of the top teams don't use it for a reason. It seems to have become one of those things that become amazing when you aren't using it and a mythical solution to everything.
I don't get the obsession with it. Most of the top teams don't use it for a reason. It seems to have become one of those things that become amazing when you aren't using it and a mythical solution to everything.
i understand it if you're a mike bassett/dinosaur-type who's grown up with that and can't really get their head round anything else.
however, good coaches can usually a way to beat it.
i understand it if you're a mike bassett/dinosaur-type who's grown up with that and can't really get their head round anything else.
however, good coaches can usually a way to beat it.
4-4-2 basically relies on a 'We are better than you' approach which will work for a time if that's the case but will get figured out. The first season in L1 under Lambert is proof of this. We were absolutely smashing people with it, but eventually it just petered out and we had to switch away from it.
4-4-2 basically relies on a 'We are better than you' approach which will work for a time if that's the case but will get figured out. The first season in L1 under Lambert is proof of this. We were absolutely smashing people with it, but eventually it just petered out and we had to switch away from it.
I don't think we even had that nailed down in Lambert's first season of Pissing The League. He quite often started with something different and then changed it because he hadn't actually bothered coaching the system he was trying. Or he started with 4-4-2 and then switched it because he hadn't bothered coaching THAT, either.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Don't think it really matters that much, and not convinced the system is really the problem - the main thing I'd want is just want to make sure that enough of the front 6 is drawn from those in the squad with higher work rates / energy / better defensive contributions like Chaplin, El Mizouni, Burns, Morsy, Aluko, Bonne.
Having said that playing Pigott and Bonne together would boost our ability to defend set-pieces which could be pretty important - would wonder whether Bonne in the right-wing position (if Bonne were to stop scoring goals!) and Burns at right-back would be considered at some point.
4-4-2 isn't the answer - not with the players we have. There needs to be something different though. We are too easy to play against at the moment and the stubborn insistence that we only play one way will be Cook's downfall.
Quick Google on how Man City changed from a 4-2-3-1 here:
I know it's apples and oranges and Wes Burns is no Gundogan, but it goes a little way to demonstrate the need to adapt when things are not working.
Should give 4-2-4 a go, like we used to line up in primary school in the 70s.
Best post on here for a while. I can remember it being 10 players not more than 10 yard from the ball! With the way Ipswich are playing it looks like we dont need a midfield. We seem to bypass it anyway!
We pass it to our midfield players who pass it back to the centre backs to hoof it up to our lone striker!
How do you work that one out? We don't have the defenders to play out from a back three, we have a load of wingers and number 10s who don't fit that system at all. It's probably the worst fit possible for our squad. I've never understood our fans' obsession with 3-5-2, I guess it's nostalgia for the Burley days.
Best that Cook sticks to what he knows best and see it out. If he can’t get anything out of his players from his preferred 4-2-3-1 then the writings on the wall. Trying to re-invent himself appears like panic. He didn’t buy a whole new squad for 4-4-2. Just need to squeeze better performances out of the players.
How do you work that one out? We don't have the defenders to play out from a back three, we have a load of wingers and number 10s who don't fit that system at all. It's probably the worst fit possible for our squad. I've never understood our fans' obsession with 3-5-2, I guess it's nostalgia for the Burley days.
Absolutely it's from the Burley years. Highly successful Burley years
But don't forget, he didn't just stick with 1 formation though, but 3 5 2 was one of them
We have the ability to change, and that's my point. 3.5.2 is one we could easily utilise. I don't agree that we don't have the defenders for it, Burgess is probably the worst with the ball of our options but he's left footed so slots into it.
Absolutely it's from the Burley years. Highly successful Burley years
But don't forget, he didn't just stick with 1 formation though, but 3 5 2 was one of them
We have the ability to change, and that's my point. 3.5.2 is one we could easily utilise. I don't agree that we don't have the defenders for it, Burgess is probably the worst with the ball of our options but he's left footed so slots into it.
Burley switched to 4--4-2 once in the prem after about 5 matches
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