| Are things getting worse? 20:50 - Feb 6 with 7744 views | Chocorange |
Rotherham fan on the pitch hits Pell yesterday
Leicester fan today at Forest.
Games being halted for racist comments one last week in league 1 , involving Akinfenwa and MK Dons fans then another yesterday at Morecambe v Bolton, Morecambe were also involved in an incident earlier in the season.
What should be done?
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| Are things getting worse? on 20:52 - Feb 6 with 4308 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
De-activate the chips. |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 21:15 - Feb 6 with 4180 views | Horseboy |
Bang people up who take cocaine |  | | |
| Are things getting worse? on 21:16 - Feb 6 with 4190 views | SitfcB |
Pell hardly got hit did he? More brushed aside.
Those Rotherham fans won their team the game imo! |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 22:55 - Feb 6 with 3984 views | TheBlueGnu |
What should be done? Well, to start with I would seek advice from the Blackburn-born Madge Hindle. | |
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| Are things getting worse? on 23:17 - Feb 6 with 3927 views | Trequartista |
Seems to be happening more often. Do we know if any of the perpetrators have been vaccinated? |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 23:55 - Feb 6 with 3876 views | monytowbray |
Mate I saw lastnight who’s a Lincoln supporter made a valid point as we were talking about similar, a take I had not considered…
With football being very much a part of British cultural identity it has people from all walks of life going. With that, things that happen in football culture tend to be a reflection of the world outside.
There’s a mix of societal frustration and normalised bigotry coming out at games as we continue to starve society of basic comforts and normalise bigotry.
Jeremy Corbyn though. |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 23:55 - Feb 6 with 3862 views | monytowbray |
Should add we’ve also had 2 incidents this year. | |
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| Are things getting worse? on 07:35 - Feb 7 with 3654 views | allezlesbleus |
Not downplaying the recent incidents in England, but it has been much worse in France this season.
Several mass pitch invasions, fights on the terraces between opposing hooligans and players being hit with bottles during the game.
Personally, I think it is a result of people "releasing tension/frustrations" after lockdowns.
Hopefully the authorities will make examples of the culprits (especially the moron from Leicester yesterday) and give out severe penalties which should make most "fans" think twice before doing something similar. |  | | |
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| Are things getting worse? on 07:38 - Feb 7 with 3652 views | SomethingBlue |
Rise in coked-up idiots in stands (it's absolutely everywhere), disgusting Tory government and PM that have encouraged an "I'll do what I want" culture that's very hard to come back from ... two factors to kick things off. | |
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| Are things getting worse? on 07:42 - Feb 7 with 3629 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Are things getting worse? on 07:35 - Feb 7 by allezlesbleus |
Not downplaying the recent incidents in England, but it has been much worse in France this season.
Several mass pitch invasions, fights on the terraces between opposing hooligans and players being hit with bottles during the game.
Personally, I think it is a result of people "releasing tension/frustrations" after lockdowns.
Hopefully the authorities will make examples of the culprits (especially the moron from Leicester yesterday) and give out severe penalties which should make most "fans" think twice before doing something similar. |
Perhaps all these attempts at state control are prompting more extreme acts of human agency. | |
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| Are things getting worse? on 07:59 - Feb 7 with 3568 views | braveblue |
| Are things getting worse? on 07:38 - Feb 7 by SomethingBlue |
Rise in coked-up idiots in stands (it's absolutely everywhere), disgusting Tory government and PM that have encouraged an "I'll do what I want" culture that's very hard to come back from ... two factors to kick things off. |
Political nonsense. Post this somewhere else. | | | |
| Are things getting worse? on 08:05 - Feb 7 with 3546 views | SomethingBlue |
| Are things getting worse? on 07:59 - Feb 7 by braveblue |
Political nonsense. Post this somewhere else. |
Thought you right-wingers were all for freedom of speech? It's a point worth of discussion. Our government is debasing standards across all areas of life — these things matter. | |
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| Are things getting worse? on 08:05 - Feb 7 with 3544 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Are things getting worse? on 07:59 - Feb 7 by braveblue |
Political nonsense. Post this somewhere else. |
Which part is nonsense? We don't have a disgusting government, or we don't have a PM that to all intents and purposes appears to do what he wants? [Post edited 7 Feb 2022 8:06]
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| Are things getting worse? on 08:10 - Feb 7 with 3507 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Country in a state, little light at the end of a tunnel for many, Brexit has undoubtedly fuelled polarised opinions on everything, increase (?) in recreational drug use, lockdowns etc etc.
Football will get blamed but it’s very little to do with that really. | | | |
| Are things getting worse? on 08:46 - Feb 7 with 3402 views | Bluespeed225 |
| Are things getting worse? on 07:59 - Feb 7 by braveblue |
Political nonsense. Post this somewhere else. |
Correct. Using the analogy that it’s tied in with anger at the government, I imagine that, say we take 1966 as a starting point as the origins of football related disorder( we”ll go with the grenade at Brentford, but any earlier suggestions are welcome) that was a manifestation of frustration with Wilson’s policies? I put it down to the start of Reality TV shows, there’s the real start of the me, me, me generation. | | | |
| Are things getting worse? on 08:48 - Feb 7 with 3398 views | Guthrum |
| Are things getting worse? on 23:55 - Feb 6 by monytowbray |
Mate I saw lastnight who’s a Lincoln supporter made a valid point as we were talking about similar, a take I had not considered…
With football being very much a part of British cultural identity it has people from all walks of life going. With that, things that happen in football culture tend to be a reflection of the world outside.
There’s a mix of societal frustration and normalised bigotry coming out at games as we continue to starve society of basic comforts and normalise bigotry.
Jeremy Corbyn though. |
The people starved of comforts are not those who can afford to go to football matches, plus buying enough beer to think going on the pitch and thumping players is a good idea.
It's the entitled ones who are more aggrieved their freedom to go out end enjoy themselves was taken away than about the tens of thousands who have become ill and died in the Pandemic. Who think their team losing (in sport or in politics) is a mighty injustice to be answered with violence*.
Plus the bigotry you mentioned. Much of which comes from people feeling they aren't getting enough of what they've been told they "deserve", then taking aim at the soft targets rather than the actual guilty parties.
* Contrast with Mr John's consoling Robson after a loss with: "Today, Bobby, we have given somebody else the pleasure of winning." |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 09:19 - Feb 7 with 3266 views | Guthrum |
| Are things getting worse? on 08:46 - Feb 7 by Bluespeed225 |
Correct. Using the analogy that it’s tied in with anger at the government, I imagine that, say we take 1966 as a starting point as the origins of football related disorder( we”ll go with the grenade at Brentford, but any earlier suggestions are welcome) that was a manifestation of frustration with Wilson’s policies? I put it down to the start of Reality TV shows, there’s the real start of the me, me, me generation. |
It's not anger at the government which is being referred to, but promotion of selfish individualism. Something which long pre-dates the advent of reality TV (that being a symptom rather than a cause). Which actually arrived with the economic libertarian movements of which the teachers and followers of Reagan and Thatcher were exponents.
Prior to that, there were still elements of corporate social responsibility left over from the War, rebuilding and Consensus. After, it became all about lowering taxes, shrinking government and piling up money to spend on yourself. The media filled with blaming the poor as "scroungers" and promoting a consumerist lifestyle*.
Football violence of the 1970s and '80s was nothing to do with reality TV either. It was a reaction to grim economic times, exacerbated the rise of neo-nazi groups like the NF. Once large numbers of people start fighting, others feel they have to, rather than be driven away or beaten up.
* Which, incidentally, did not even help the national economy, as much of the stuff to buy was - and is - imported. | |
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| Are things getting worse? on 09:29 - Feb 7 with 3225 views | hoppy |
There does seem to be more incidents - only a few years years ago, you didn’t even get Jonathan Douglas running on the pitch. |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 11:09 - Feb 7 with 3109 views | jontysnut |
| Are things getting worse? on 07:38 - Feb 7 by SomethingBlue |
Rise in coked-up idiots in stands (it's absolutely everywhere), disgusting Tory government and PM that have encouraged an "I'll do what I want" culture that's very hard to come back from ... two factors to kick things off. |
I happened to be at Tranmere v Forest Green last week.Coked up idiots in the home end, stuff launched on the pitch, including a flare, with fans rowing amongst themselves. No fun at all. |  | | |
| Are things getting worse? on 11:13 - Feb 7 with 3093 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Probably not the most pertinent point here, but worth pointing out that the Akinfenwa chant which stopped the game wasn’t racist |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 11:20 - Feb 7 with 3076 views | jayessess |
| Are things getting worse? on 08:46 - Feb 7 by Bluespeed225 |
Correct. Using the analogy that it’s tied in with anger at the government, I imagine that, say we take 1966 as a starting point as the origins of football related disorder( we”ll go with the grenade at Brentford, but any earlier suggestions are welcome) that was a manifestation of frustration with Wilson’s policies? I put it down to the start of Reality TV shows, there’s the real start of the me, me, me generation. |
Football hooliganism peaks long before the advent of reality tv shows. It's getting worse at the moment, but it's still nowhere near as bad as it was in the 1970s/1980s.
I don't think you need to be especially left-wing to recognise there's a connection between football violence and the wider social and cultural context. |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 11:30 - Feb 7 with 3017 views | J2BLUE |
| Are things getting worse? on 08:46 - Feb 7 by Bluespeed225 |
Correct. Using the analogy that it’s tied in with anger at the government, I imagine that, say we take 1966 as a starting point as the origins of football related disorder( we”ll go with the grenade at Brentford, but any earlier suggestions are welcome) that was a manifestation of frustration with Wilson’s policies? I put it down to the start of Reality TV shows, there’s the real start of the me, me, me generation. |
If reality shows started it, social media has moved that fire to a bone dry forest and then poured petrol on it. |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 11:31 - Feb 7 with 3008 views | Bobbychase |
Football crowds represent society. Society is getting more violent, less safe for women and in some areas racism is on the rise. So these incidents will happen and probably increase. |  |
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| Are things getting worse? on 11:50 - Feb 7 with 2911 views | leitrimblue |
| Are things getting worse? on 09:19 - Feb 7 by Guthrum |
It's not anger at the government which is being referred to, but promotion of selfish individualism. Something which long pre-dates the advent of reality TV (that being a symptom rather than a cause). Which actually arrived with the economic libertarian movements of which the teachers and followers of Reagan and Thatcher were exponents.
Prior to that, there were still elements of corporate social responsibility left over from the War, rebuilding and Consensus. After, it became all about lowering taxes, shrinking government and piling up money to spend on yourself. The media filled with blaming the poor as "scroungers" and promoting a consumerist lifestyle*.
Football violence of the 1970s and '80s was nothing to do with reality TV either. It was a reaction to grim economic times, exacerbated the rise of neo-nazi groups like the NF. Once large numbers of people start fighting, others feel they have to, rather than be driven away or beaten up.
* Which, incidentally, did not even help the national economy, as much of the stuff to buy was - and is - imported. |
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| Are things getting worse? on 12:37 - Feb 7 with 2816 views | monytowbray |
| Are things getting worse? on 08:48 - Feb 7 by Guthrum |
The people starved of comforts are not those who can afford to go to football matches, plus buying enough beer to think going on the pitch and thumping players is a good idea.
It's the entitled ones who are more aggrieved their freedom to go out end enjoy themselves was taken away than about the tens of thousands who have become ill and died in the Pandemic. Who think their team losing (in sport or in politics) is a mighty injustice to be answered with violence*.
Plus the bigotry you mentioned. Much of which comes from people feeling they aren't getting enough of what they've been told they "deserve", then taking aim at the soft targets rather than the actual guilty parties.
* Contrast with Mr John's consoling Robson after a loss with: "Today, Bobby, we have given somebody else the pleasure of winning." |
I’d argue there is an ongoing battle of finances for the middle class now too. I’m comfortable, in my mid 30s earning around a quarter more than the average salary of said age group, but I largely don’t care for traditional aspirations like flash cars, the latest tech and Ikea trips. For those that do, I expect being on the average salary or lower prices folks out of things that would have been easily reachable even before the 2008 crash. And that’s before factoring in stuff like home ownership.
I guess what I’m trying to say is financial woes are hitting people who can afford to go to football. In fact I’d be interested how many go without to afford it and/or dread renewal date/monthly DDs.
I should add I don’t think films that glorify football violence and toxic masculinity such as Football Factory, Green Street, etc have helped. [Post edited 7 Feb 2022 12:38]
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