| Ball 22:23 - Sep 21 with 3200 views | LeoMuff |
Another goal and assist, looks too good to be left out of the first 11, any ideas how we could accommodate as Morsy and Evans are undroppable at present.
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| Ball on 22:38 - Sep 21 with 2954 views | Vic |
Wait till one is injured or suspended? |  |
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| Listening to his exit interview on a QPR fan pod cast on 01:25 - Sep 22 with 2745 views | unstableblue |
… this is not a guy who is going to be happy on the subs bench
He obviously came here expecting to be a first name on the team sheet
I think his injury has left a space for Evans to perform… and frankly he has excelled
You can’t drop Evans
One this is for sure.. Humphreys is being tutored by an elite peer group |  |
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| Ball on 04:22 - Sep 22 with 2668 views | BondiBlue |
Are you dropping harness or chaplin? |  |
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| Ball on 07:33 - Sep 22 with 2474 views | OwainG1992 |
| Ball on 04:22 - Sep 22 by BondiBlue |
Are you dropping harness or chaplin? |
If we did go 3 5 2 who are the two up Top?
I wouldn't mind Ladapo and Chaplin as a little and large duo. |  |
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| Ball on 07:36 - Sep 22 with 2466 views | DJR |
Whilst Morsy and Evans are very good, their distribution forward tends to be a bit slow or ponderous. In Evans' case, he is a good passer of the ball but his balls tend to be diagonal or sideways, and his switches of play can allow the opposition to regroup (as was the case with Barnsley). It was noticeable on Saturday just how quickly, Barry Bannen moved the ball forward into dangerous spaces, and with us no longer having players like Celina and Fraser, I think this is the one area of the game we are lacking because we rarely take advantage of the runs that people like Jackson make. So it was interesting to see the pass Ball made forward for Ladapo's goal, the type of ball that I don't think Evans ever plays. Ball is also an established Championship player in his prime, so I could see him coming in to replace Evans perhaps sooner rather than later. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 7:41]
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| Ball on 07:53 - Sep 22 with 2393 views | Asa |
A very worthwhile conversation to have when we are sat in 11th and way below expectations.
However, we are top of the league and unbeaten coming up to October. I’ve seen a load of similar comments since Tuesday and even a few clamouring for Humphreys to start regularly!
Not sure why anyone would want to change the shape, system or personnel. No doubt that Ball looks a great player but he arrived likely as a partner for Morsy, got injured and the guy who came in for him has been out best player this season.
Tough for Ball but absolutely no justification to change anything when what we are doing is working so very well. | | | |
| Ball on 08:14 - Sep 22 with 2277 views | DJR |
| Ball on 07:53 - Sep 22 by Asa |
A very worthwhile conversation to have when we are sat in 11th and way below expectations.
However, we are top of the league and unbeaten coming up to October. I’ve seen a load of similar comments since Tuesday and even a few clamouring for Humphreys to start regularly!
Not sure why anyone would want to change the shape, system or personnel. No doubt that Ball looks a great player but he arrived likely as a partner for Morsy, got injured and the guy who came in for him has been out best player this season.
Tough for Ball but absolutely no justification to change anything when what we are doing is working so very well. |
There's a lot in what you say, but it has been noticeable when we play the better teams that Evans and Morsy can be a little anonymous. That being the case, I wonder if we might have had more control at the weekend if Ball had replaced Evans from the start. | | | |
| Ball on 08:22 - Sep 22 with 2203 views | bluestandard |
| Ball on 07:53 - Sep 22 by Asa |
A very worthwhile conversation to have when we are sat in 11th and way below expectations.
However, we are top of the league and unbeaten coming up to October. I’ve seen a load of similar comments since Tuesday and even a few clamouring for Humphreys to start regularly!
Not sure why anyone would want to change the shape, system or personnel. No doubt that Ball looks a great player but he arrived likely as a partner for Morsy, got injured and the guy who came in for him has been out best player this season.
Tough for Ball but absolutely no justification to change anything when what we are doing is working so very well. |
Whilst I agree with you in theory, I think this is all going to be decided on the training ground. McKenna will be scrutinising the players in training and whilst past performance might give some very limited 'credit in the bank', if Ball is looking sharp, he'll get his opportunity soon enough. | | | |
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| Ball on 08:26 - Sep 22 with 2172 views | HighgateBlue |
He could easily have come on for a more forward-thinking player when we were trying to hold onto the three points against Wednesday.
Maybe that will be one of his roles in the future if Evans continues his fine form.
I certainly think he has an important role to play, now that we're allowed five subs.
And there's obviously a decent chance that Morsy will be suspended at some point.
Then there's the pizza cup to keep his fitness up.
But if our current CMs carry on as they are, I can't see him starting in the league terribly often. |  | | |
| Ball on 08:59 - Sep 22 with 2064 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ball on 07:33 - Sep 22 by OwainG1992 |
If we did go 3 5 2 who are the two up Top?
I wouldn't mind Ladapo and Chaplin as a little and large duo. |
For fear of repeating myself, Shef Wednesday away was made for Ball.
4-3-2-1
Walton
Janoi, Wolf, Fridge, Davis
Evans, Ball, Morsy
Chaplin, Harness
Any one from Jackson, Ladapo, JJ
I think this is the way to go up against teams with a creative midfield. |  |
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| Ball on 09:07 - Sep 22 with 1996 views | BondiBlue |
| Ball on 07:33 - Sep 22 by OwainG1992 |
If we did go 3 5 2 who are the two up Top?
I wouldn't mind Ladapo and Chaplin as a little and large duo. |
Chaplin says he's a striker so that would probably work well. I wouldn't drop harness for a defensive player though. We're scoring goals and conceding very few - no need to change it. Ball will find himself in at some point, most likely for evans. If not, it will mean evans has had an incredibly consistent season. Ball will probably leave in search of first team football. No harm done. Point is, i wouldn't be changing a winning formula just to fit a third defensive-minded midfielder in. | |
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| Ball on 09:19 - Sep 22 with 1955 views | itfcsuth |
This is the reason you build a squad, you need competition throughout, that's the investment made and recruitment done by all involved that has built such a strong squad.
Ball & Camara get in to near every other side at this level, but right now Evans and Morsy are undroppable, we don't want to unbalance the system and setup by looking to force players in to the starting XI.
The time will come for both Ball & Camara, and they have to be ready to hold the shirt. |  | | |
| Ball on 09:29 - Sep 22 with 1903 views | Sharkey |
I thought it was interesting to hear KVY talking about playing with Ball many years ago, presumably at the Spurs academy. Even at this stage of their careers, (i.e. far from over) they must have had several hundred team-mates, but I guess you'll always be closest to the ones you had when you were about 15 or 16, when you were wondering if you were actually going to make it as a professional footballer. (And KVY of course was 'dropped' by Spurs.) I guess at any given match there are loads of friendships (or the opposite) between opposition players that never ever occur to most of us spectators, even if Twitter has made them slightly more visible. |  | | |
| Ball on 09:37 - Sep 22 with 1878 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ball on 07:36 - Sep 22 by DJR |
Whilst Morsy and Evans are very good, their distribution forward tends to be a bit slow or ponderous. In Evans' case, he is a good passer of the ball but his balls tend to be diagonal or sideways, and his switches of play can allow the opposition to regroup (as was the case with Barnsley). It was noticeable on Saturday just how quickly, Barry Bannen moved the ball forward into dangerous spaces, and with us no longer having players like Celina and Fraser, I think this is the one area of the game we are lacking because we rarely take advantage of the runs that people like Jackson make. So it was interesting to see the pass Ball made forward for Ladapo's goal, the type of ball that I don't think Evans ever plays. Ball is also an established Championship player in his prime, so I could see him coming in to replace Evans perhaps sooner rather than later. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 7:41]
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Arsenal too in the week were looking to break the lines quicker (from what I saw - I only saw the second half). It’s certainly not the be all and end all, but it seems sensible to me to look to get the ball forward more quickly. Not that we’re necessarily bad at it. We’re streets ahead of the ponderous passing it around at the back, lacking inspiration and then hoof at the end of Lambert’s time. |  |
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| Ball on 19:41 - Sep 22 with 1547 views | BigCommon |
Ball's looked quite dominant in the two games he's had. Albeit against lesser opposition. Where you'd expect nothing less.. I don't see the point in making an unforced change to a side that's doing well.. Evans has been equally as dominant in the games he's played in, against higher opposition. And Morsy won't get dropped , until he's injured, suspended or suffering real fatigue. I think Ball, just being here , has created enough competition, to get that extra yard out of Evans. In the same way we saw Burgess up his game when Keogh was added to the squad..
So, maybe harsh on Ball , who hasn't done much wrong. But I'm not changing the Morsy , Evans partnership. And I'm not drastically changing our formation to accommodate him. When we're top of the league and unbeaten, the way things are.
He's a quality player though. And a massive upgrade on last years 3rd choice defensive midfielder. (Take your pick, from Bakinson, Miz or Carol) It would be less of a worry this season, if we lost either Evans or Morsy for a few games. With Ball ready to step in. I doubt anyone would see it as weakening the side, either. |  | | |
| Ball on 08:16 - Sep 23 with 1331 views | Ely_Blue |
| Ball on 08:59 - Sep 22 by GlasgowBlue |
For fear of repeating myself, Shef Wednesday away was made for Ball.
4-3-2-1
Walton
Janoi, Wolf, Fridge, Davis
Evans, Ball, Morsy
Chaplin, Harness
Any one from Jackson, Ladapo, JJ
I think this is the way to go up against teams with a creative midfield. |
I think against Wednesday the mistake McKenna made was to bring Keogh on for Jackson when he actually should have brought Ball on the help gain control back in the middle of the park |  |
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| Ball on 08:56 - Sep 23 with 1283 views | BlueStreak |
| Ball on 08:59 - Sep 22 by GlasgowBlue |
For fear of repeating myself, Shef Wednesday away was made for Ball.
4-3-2-1
Walton
Janoi, Wolf, Fridge, Davis
Evans, Ball, Morsy
Chaplin, Harness
Any one from Jackson, Ladapo, JJ
I think this is the way to go up against teams with a creative midfield. |
I really like this team. Looks so solid away from home and still have decent creativity in the final third. Plus would allow Morsy to get passed the ball and into the box with those late runs as would have Ball to cover.
would have no problem with that team Saturday (with JJ as the 9). |  | | |
| Ball on 09:09 - Sep 23 with 1259 views | DavoIPB |
| Ball on 08:14 - Sep 22 by DJR |
There's a lot in what you say, but it has been noticeable when we play the better teams that Evans and Morsy can be a little anonymous. That being the case, I wonder if we might have had more control at the weekend if Ball had replaced Evans from the start. |
yep, our midfield disappeared on Saturday. Couldn't cope with the only really good midfield we have come up against this season. Morsy is really good and so is Evans but they are slow in their play, Morsy always committing fouls because player gets away from him.
Having said that still think for this league they are one of the best midfield partnerships. | | | |
| Ball on 09:41 - Sep 23 with 1222 views | BondiBlue |
| Ball on 08:56 - Sep 23 by BlueStreak |
I really like this team. Looks so solid away from home and still have decent creativity in the final third. Plus would allow Morsy to get passed the ball and into the box with those late runs as would have Ball to cover.
would have no problem with that team Saturday (with JJ as the 9). |
A lot of pressure on davis to provide the only width. | |
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| Ball on 13:12 - Sep 23 with 1138 views | Chrisd |
He's going to need to bide his time, then when he gets his chance grab it with both hands. Thought our CM simply didn't function effectively last season, but Morsy and Evans have really started the season well. | |
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| Ball on 13:27 - Sep 23 with 1105 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Another goal?
When did he score previously? |  |
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| Ball on 13:29 - Sep 23 with 1091 views | jayessess |
| Ball on 09:07 - Sep 22 by BondiBlue |
Chaplin says he's a striker so that would probably work well. I wouldn't drop harness for a defensive player though. We're scoring goals and conceding very few - no need to change it. Ball will find himself in at some point, most likely for evans. If not, it will mean evans has had an incredibly consistent season. Ball will probably leave in search of first team football. No harm done. Point is, i wouldn't be changing a winning formula just to fit a third defensive-minded midfielder in. |
Strikes me that McKenna's a bit more proactive than this. If he thinks a change is going to help us, he's not necessarily going to wait for things to go wrong before doing it. |  |
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| Ball on 13:41 - Sep 23 with 1052 views | DJR |
| Ball on 13:29 - Sep 23 by jayessess |
Strikes me that McKenna's a bit more proactive than this. If he thinks a change is going to help us, he's not necessarily going to wait for things to go wrong before doing it. |
Absolutely, Edmundson being replaced, and Jackson starting games, are evidence of this. | | | |
| Ball on 14:05 - Sep 23 with 1007 views | BondiBlue |
| Ball on 13:29 - Sep 23 by jayessess |
Strikes me that McKenna's a bit more proactive than this. If he thinks a change is going to help us, he's not necessarily going to wait for things to go wrong before doing it. |
Maybe when teams work us out. Don't think they have yet though. No-one's figured out how to deal with morsy's runs into the box or chaplin starting wide right from goal kicks. | |
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| Ball on 14:41 - Sep 23 with 151 views | Sikamikanico |
| Ball on 09:29 - Sep 22 by Sharkey |
I thought it was interesting to hear KVY talking about playing with Ball many years ago, presumably at the Spurs academy. Even at this stage of their careers, (i.e. far from over) they must have had several hundred team-mates, but I guess you'll always be closest to the ones you had when you were about 15 or 16, when you were wondering if you were actually going to make it as a professional footballer. (And KVY of course was 'dropped' by Spurs.) I guess at any given match there are loads of friendships (or the opposite) between opposition players that never ever occur to most of us spectators, even if Twitter has made them slightly more visible. |
Yeah there must be a lot of short term friendships created with loans and short term deals as well.
At the Bristol Rovers match I saw Jackson chatting with their keeper Belshaw like they were old friends. Googled it when I left the stadium and they spent a single season playing together at Tamworth in 2014/15. | | | |
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