| Rejoining the EU 17:26 - Oct 16 with 8727 views | Churchman |
For the first time, I have noticed somebody has written the words that dare not be spoken
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/16/heres-my-plan-for-growth-liz-tr
For a boost to the economy, growth and all that stuff it’s an obvious thing to do. It’s six years since the farcical vote - the same length of time as WW2. Surely it’s time to say the experiment has failed and we need to move on.
So what’s to lose given Brixit has not offered one single benefit and is unlikely to do so? Pride? An election? Pride doesn’t pay mortgages or put food on the table. Winning an election is something the tories won’t be doing for a generation.
I hope it’s something Starmer is considering. It’s a logical thing to do. |  | | |  |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:35 - Oct 16 with 3816 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
I think Starmer said fairly recently that it was something he would not do, although that was pre-Truss. I'd happily grovel to be let back in, but can't see it going over well with a large majority, especially as there is no way we'd have it as good as before. Personally I think that's the price you pay for 6 years of idiocy, but it won't wash with the little Englanders. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 17:44 - Oct 16 with 3787 views | Churchman |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:35 - Oct 16 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I think Starmer said fairly recently that it was something he would not do, although that was pre-Truss. I'd happily grovel to be let back in, but can't see it going over well with a large majority, especially as there is no way we'd have it as good as before. Personally I think that's the price you pay for 6 years of idiocy, but it won't wash with the little Englanders. |
They might after the power cuts, lack of food on the shelves, rocketing prices and interest rates by the spring.
Of course the terms would be hopeless by comparison with before, but that’s not relevant to the future. The EU budget was a paltry £14bn - less than Truss’ economic nonsense of the past month has cost the country. It also ignores the £9bn we got back and all the soft benefits.
If the UKs contribution is ramped up as compensation for all the costs we’ve heaped on Europe, so be it - it’ll still be the right decision and better than isolation. Only forcing the U.K. to join the single currency would make it a no go for me. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:52 - Oct 16 with 3761 views | Steve_M |
It’s not happening until the rest of the EU see the UK as a stable country again, full membership is a long way off at this point. We lost our ability to influence the other member when we left.
Incremental movements, first reducing the pointless tension created by the ERG et al and, maybe, moves back towards Single Market & membership are as far as it might go in the next decade.
Given the decision to leave is now inextricably linked to the absolute clown car is a Tory Party though, the number is people who will think Brexit a mistake will only continue to grow. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 17:54 - Oct 16 with 3751 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:44 - Oct 16 by Churchman |
They might after the power cuts, lack of food on the shelves, rocketing prices and interest rates by the spring.
Of course the terms would be hopeless by comparison with before, but that’s not relevant to the future. The EU budget was a paltry £14bn - less than Truss’ economic nonsense of the past month has cost the country. It also ignores the £9bn we got back and all the soft benefits.
If the UKs contribution is ramped up as compensation for all the costs we’ve heaped on Europe, so be it - it’ll still be the right decision and better than isolation. Only forcing the U.K. to join the single currency would make it a no go for me. |
Well you'd like to think so, although I think some have been sufficiently brainwashed to the point that damnation would be preferable to the EU.
I do agree with you though, although from a purely selfish point of view, there's not much I wouldn't do to get my freedom of movement back. | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 17:57 - Oct 16 with 3743 views | GeoffSentence |
If we were to rejoin the EU wouldn't we have to also join Shengan and the Euro? I thought that was the position for countries who joined anew. I can't see there being much support in the country for that. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:03 - Oct 16 with 3697 views | Churchman |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:57 - Oct 16 by GeoffSentence |
If we were to rejoin the EU wouldn't we have to also join Shengan and the Euro? I thought that was the position for countries who joined anew. I can't see there being much support in the country for that. |
That’d rule it out but I’m sure terms are not one size fits all.
My OP is only meant to be thought provoking in that a journalist has mentioned it and it’s a taboo subject.
Maybe just join the SM/CU and see where that takes us? One things for sure. The current ‘arrangement’ isn’t sustainable economically and since the Northern Ireland impasse that cannot be resolved any other way, surely there’s scope for something. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:05 - Oct 16 with 3693 views | monkeymagic |
| Rejoining the EU on 17:44 - Oct 16 by Churchman |
They might after the power cuts, lack of food on the shelves, rocketing prices and interest rates by the spring.
Of course the terms would be hopeless by comparison with before, but that’s not relevant to the future. The EU budget was a paltry £14bn - less than Truss’ economic nonsense of the past month has cost the country. It also ignores the £9bn we got back and all the soft benefits.
If the UKs contribution is ramped up as compensation for all the costs we’ve heaped on Europe, so be it - it’ll still be the right decision and better than isolation. Only forcing the U.K. to join the single currency would make it a no go for me. |
I believe that in theory the UK will be obliged to adopt the Euro in any agreement to re-join, and I could see that being rejected by the electorate : assuming of course that there was a further referendum. I also can’t see the single market being a strong enough lure to offset so many people’s hatred of freedom of movement. It seems to me that, with only the Lib Dem’s currently on the record as wanting to re-join, we might be a generation away from doing so. The continuing decline of the UK is somewhat like ITFC under Evans, a succession of terrible decisions which most observers could see was going to end in tears. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:07 - Oct 16 with 3676 views | ElephantintheRoom |
You have to look at the bigger picture. Giving Scotland independence not only gives a huge boost to ‘growth’ - it almost certainly guarantees a conservative government | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:09 - Oct 16 with 3668 views | Oldsmoker |
Good grief.
Brexit was meant to take us back to the old days - when Britain was Great.
Just after the war we were impoverished.
Families were starving and having to wait forever to get decent health care.
No-one could afford petrol.
Food was rationed and the shelves were empty.
Brexit has delivered in spades - why is everyone complaining? |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:17 - Oct 16 with 3647 views | pointofblue |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:05 - Oct 16 by monkeymagic |
I believe that in theory the UK will be obliged to adopt the Euro in any agreement to re-join, and I could see that being rejected by the electorate : assuming of course that there was a further referendum. I also can’t see the single market being a strong enough lure to offset so many people’s hatred of freedom of movement. It seems to me that, with only the Lib Dem’s currently on the record as wanting to re-join, we might be a generation away from doing so. The continuing decline of the UK is somewhat like ITFC under Evans, a succession of terrible decisions which most observers could see was going to end in tears. |
If Cameron had managed to negotiate the UK being able to manage immigration from within the EU then I think Remain would have won the referendum easily. Xenophobia won the day. | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:24 - Oct 16 with 3618 views | GeoffSentence |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:03 - Oct 16 by Churchman |
That’d rule it out but I’m sure terms are not one size fits all.
My OP is only meant to be thought provoking in that a journalist has mentioned it and it’s a taboo subject.
Maybe just join the SM/CU and see where that takes us? One things for sure. The current ‘arrangement’ isn’t sustainable economically and since the Northern Ireland impasse that cannot be resolved any other way, surely there’s scope for something. |
There are conditions for joining.
https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/joining-eu_en
"Any country that satisfies the conditions for membership can apply. These conditions are known as the ‘Copenhagen criteria’ and include a stable democracy and the rule of law, a functioning market economy and the acceptance of all EU legislation, including of the euro." | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:28 - Oct 16 with 3611 views | monkeymagic |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:17 - Oct 16 by pointofblue |
If Cameron had managed to negotiate the UK being able to manage immigration from within the EU then I think Remain would have won the referendum easily. Xenophobia won the day. |
I agree, it wasn’t a vote on customs union, single market etc, it was a vote against the imaginary menace of economic migrants wanting to come to this Country to work hard, pay taxes and contribute to society. Most MSM outlets just did articles suggesting that this Country was going to the dogs because of a relative handful of undesirables, for instance, London being terrorised by Romanian pickpockets etc. With a 15-20 year lead in to upskill British workers, and a competent Government with a post Brexit vision, we might just have made a reasonable first of life outside the EU. To leave with no sensible plan and no genuine political will to make a success of it was always doomed. Going back to Evans, it’s like aiming for the Premier League while assembling a squad of 33 year old injury prone veterans with little professional ambition left. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:34 - Oct 16 with 3544 views | jeera |
We had the best of both worlds.
Trouble is, people didn't understand that. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 18:36 - Oct 16 with 3532 views | HARRY10 |
It's already happening - it will just continue as it is.
Brexit was finally killed off when trying to implement it with the mini budget. The crackpot regulation changes that were meant to follow have similarly been buried.
The fruitcakes in the Tory Party will slowly be removed from power, and the UK will have every leader of almost all parties as someone pro EU - apart from the BNP/UKIP/Deform (or whatever Fartrage is now peddling) and even those will fade as Putin has other things on his mind other than funding a pile of rightwing anti EU cranks.
Steadty as she goes, we are heading in the right direction | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:00 - Oct 16 with 3420 views | chicoazul |
Electoral suicide. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 19:01 - Oct 16 with 3406 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 18:36 - Oct 16 by HARRY10 |
It's already happening - it will just continue as it is.
Brexit was finally killed off when trying to implement it with the mini budget. The crackpot regulation changes that were meant to follow have similarly been buried.
The fruitcakes in the Tory Party will slowly be removed from power, and the UK will have every leader of almost all parties as someone pro EU - apart from the BNP/UKIP/Deform (or whatever Fartrage is now peddling) and even those will fade as Putin has other things on his mind other than funding a pile of rightwing anti EU cranks.
Steadty as she goes, we are heading in the right direction |
Harry it was the labour red wall voters that helped get Brexit over the line. If Starmer dares to say he will reverse Brexit he will lose all those votes in the north to the ukip crackpots. |  | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:04 - Oct 16 with 3398 views | Mullet |
If it's the equivalent of after the war can we have them all arrested for the damage they did and hold them all accountable?
I do think the grand scale treachery and corruption needs dealing with even if the WW2 analogy is a tad clumsy. |  |
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| Rejoining the EU on 19:08 - Oct 16 with 3365 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:01 - Oct 16 by gazzer1999 |
Harry it was the labour red wall voters that helped get Brexit over the line. If Starmer dares to say he will reverse Brexit he will lose all those votes in the north to the ukip crackpots. |
I'll try it simply this time ...........
it is already happening, and will continue so as every extra Brexit regulation cost, delay will be slowly removed
it matters not a jot who voted for brexit, other than age, whereby that level of bigotry and xenophobias is dying off, literally
why campaign for something that is happening ? | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:15 - Oct 16 with 3347 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:08 - Oct 16 by HARRY10 |
I'll try it simply this time ...........
it is already happening, and will continue so as every extra Brexit regulation cost, delay will be slowly removed
it matters not a jot who voted for brexit, other than age, whereby that level of bigotry and xenophobias is dying off, literally
why campaign for something that is happening ? |
We both know we never got Brexit it was in name only to make Boris look good. The tory party and the cabinet were all pro EU even Boris but he saw a chance and took it so he could get the top job. Because of the overwhelming majority he was able to implement what he wanted, or rather the faceless people behind him. In a way covid really stopped them from storming ahead. Any way interesting but very troubled and worrying times ahead for whoever takes up the baton. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:21 - Oct 16 with 3320 views | Mullet |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:15 - Oct 16 by gazzer1999 |
We both know we never got Brexit it was in name only to make Boris look good. The tory party and the cabinet were all pro EU even Boris but he saw a chance and took it so he could get the top job. Because of the overwhelming majority he was able to implement what he wanted, or rather the faceless people behind him. In a way covid really stopped them from storming ahead. Any way interesting but very troubled and worrying times ahead for whoever takes up the baton. |
You never got something which couldn't work because it was a pile of jingoistic glitter on a massive pile of sh1t. All designed to strip the country of as many assets as those greedy bastards could lift.
Brexit very much existed and was far worse than those of us labelled "project fear" or who were vaguely aware of what it meant could even get across.
It has been nothing but a catastrophe and we are all picking up the bill of the greed, racism, ignorance and anger that fuelled it.
Kindly save these sorts of excuses, the fact you're only now hearing Brexiteers noticing Johnson is an opportunistic parasite is little comfort. You won. Get over it. | |
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| Rejoining the EU on 19:29 - Oct 16 with 3290 views | HARRY10 |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:15 - Oct 16 by gazzer1999 |
We both know we never got Brexit it was in name only to make Boris look good. The tory party and the cabinet were all pro EU even Boris but he saw a chance and took it so he could get the top job. Because of the overwhelming majority he was able to implement what he wanted, or rather the faceless people behind him. In a way covid really stopped them from storming ahead. Any way interesting but very troubled and worrying times ahead for whoever takes up the baton. |
eh
implement what e wanted ! ! !
his time in office will go down as one of the those where U-Turns were on a weekly basis, and the sh te he promise never materialised
And it was a year or so back and you are coming out with that ? | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:33 - Oct 16 with 3282 views | azuremerlangus |
The thing is I don’t hear the BREXIT lot banging on how great BREXIT Is these days - you know, all those brilliant deals sorted and how we are out-doing all the EU countries economically etc.
If we had never joined the EU in the first place we would have gone from sick man of Europe to the terminally ill man of Europe very quickly.
https://www.economist.com/buttonwoods-notebook/2017/07/19/britain-back-to-being- [Post edited 16 Oct 2022 19:35]
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| Rejoining the EU on 19:34 - Oct 16 with 3276 views | MattinLondon |
I hardly ever get anything right but regarding the referendum I did think that the UK would vote out. I do still think that we will rejoin, not now, but in around fifteen years time. By then, the majority of the voters who voted out would have died and the younger generations would want the same rights that their parents/grandparents had enjoyed but in some cases took away from them. I don’t think that the younger generations then, would have the reservations regarding adopting the Euro.
Prior to this businesses might well demand that the country rejoins the single market.
The Brexit experiment has been ludicrous but for the next few years at least a lot of the leavers will double down, triple down and quadruple down on it. Its, in their minds socked it to the elite (the real elite wanted it) and so this pathetic version of ‘class envy’ will stop common sense from enabling the UK from joining anytime soon. |  | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:37 - Oct 16 with 3247 views | gazzer1999 |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:33 - Oct 16 by azuremerlangus |
The thing is I don’t hear the BREXIT lot banging on how great BREXIT Is these days - you know, all those brilliant deals sorted and how we are out-doing all the EU countries economically etc.
If we had never joined the EU in the first place we would have gone from sick man of Europe to the terminally ill man of Europe very quickly.
https://www.economist.com/buttonwoods-notebook/2017/07/19/britain-back-to-being- [Post edited 16 Oct 2022 19:35]
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I think we joined a common market not what is currently in existence. | | | |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:40 - Oct 16 with 3232 views | MattinLondon |
| Rejoining the EU on 19:37 - Oct 16 by gazzer1999 |
I think we joined a common market not what is currently in existence. |
27 sovereign independent countries working together - sometimes agreeing on things sometimes disagreeing on things. Thats what is in existence. | | | |
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