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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:43 - Oct 20 with 2051 views

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:46 - Oct 20 with 2025 views

Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:43 - Oct 20 by BlueBadger
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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:48 - Oct 20 with 2004 views

giant_stow

They were discussing this on the 5 mins I heard of Ian Dale's LBC show last night, so maybe.

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:46 - Oct 20 by LegendofthePhoenix

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:55 - Oct 20 with 1944 views

Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:50 - Oct 20 by BlueBadger
I'm Sure We All Have Our Fingers Crossed

indeed!

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:56 - Oct 20 with 1935 views

Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:48 - Oct 20 by giant_stow
They were discussing this on the 5 mins I heard of Ian Dale's LBC show last night, so maybe.

I didn't hear that sadly, but sounds like we're on the same thought train.

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Is it an issue for you that the new England manager is foreign ?

Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:57 - Oct 20 with 1929 views

Perublue

In the interest of fairness the same could be said for the labour party for much of the last 20 years....but both beasts survive and will crawl on.

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:58 - Oct 20 with 1919 views

What ideological opposition though? The soft Tories are miles away from social democracy.

As far as I can see the only real difference is right-wing patrician politics vs. right-wing populist politics and its more overt disrespect and disregard for foreigners and minorities. The Conservatives’ electoral secret sauce has long been the combination of the two.

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Frankie knows..... on 13:03 - Oct 20 with 1900 views

Bloots

Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:58 - Oct 20 by Darth_Koont
What ideological opposition though? The soft Tories are miles away from social democracy. As far as I can see the only real difference is right-wing patrician politics vs. right-wing populist politics and its more overt disrespect and disregard for foreigners and minorities. The Conservatives’ electoral secret sauce has long been the combination of the two.

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 13:03 - Oct 20 with 1885 views

Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:58 - Oct 20 by Darth_Koont
What ideological opposition though? The soft Tories are miles away from social democracy. As far as I can see the only real difference is right-wing patrician politics vs. right-wing populist politics and its more overt disrespect and disregard for foreigners and minorities. The Conservatives’ electoral secret sauce has long been the combination of the two.

not arguing with that - it's all relative.

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Do you think Pert is key to all of this?

Is this the end of the Tories? on 13:07 - Oct 20 with 1841 views

Swansea_Blue

If I was Nicola Sturgeon (I’m not, I’m much taller) I’d invade while England are distracted, demolish Westminster and rule from Holyrood.

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Frankie knows..... on 13:09 - Oct 20 with 1808 views

If KM goes now, will you applaud him when he returns with his new club?

Frankie knows..... on 13:03 - Oct 20 by Bloots

Frankie’s not wrong.

What a time to be alive.

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Frankie knows..... on 13:28 - Oct 20 with 1735 views

noggin

Frankie knows..... on 13:03 - Oct 20 by Bloots

Frankie say relax.

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 13:29 - Oct 20 with 1724 views

HARRY10

Here lie the myth of the PR guff

Politicians don't form into varied political parties and so seek representation in Parliament. They coalesce around 2 or 3 bigger parties and then hope to control the larger body from within. The trots in Labour and the ERG in the Tories - which is shown where PR exists.

So rather than addressing any of the real problem the not too bright are distracted by the PR nonsense. And with one leap they are free

The current mess is down solely to procedural matters, not electoral representation - viz the archaic Parliamentary voting procedure

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It's an absolute wet dream.... on 13:32 - Oct 20 with 1692 views

Bloots

Frankie knows..... on 13:09 - Oct 20 by Darth_Koont
Frankie’s not wrong. What a time to be alive.

....for a centrist with conservative leanings.

The dream ticket.

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It's an absolute wet dream.... on 13:43 - Oct 20 with 1628 views

It's an absolute wet dream.... on 13:32 - Oct 20 by Bloots
....for a centrist with conservative leanings. The dream ticket.

Oh it’s right up your empty alley. That’s for sure.

Ignorance may be blissful but it’s certainly no way to deal with the real world and real issues. Which is what we’ve effectively not dealt with for the past couple of decades. And seemingly still won’t.

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Bloots

It's an absolute wet dream.... on 13:43 - Oct 20 by Darth_Koont
Oh it’s right up your empty alley. That’s for sure. Ignorance may be blissful but it’s certainly no way to deal with the real world and real issues. Which is what we’ve effectively not dealt with for the past couple of decades. And seemingly still won’t.

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 13:54 - Oct 20 with 1570 views

Ewan_Oozami

Is this the end of the Tories? on 13:29 - Oct 20 by HARRY10

"Procedural matters" Lol!

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 12:58 - Oct 20 by Darth_Koont
What ideological opposition though? The soft Tories are miles away from social democracy. As far as I can see the only real difference is right-wing patrician politics vs. right-wing populist politics and its more overt disrespect and disregard for foreigners and minorities. The Conservatives’ electoral secret sauce has long been the combination of the two.

More soft Toryism announced today.

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 14:10 - Oct 20 by tractordownsouth
More soft Toryism announced today.

Are these pledges?

Of course, these are important measures to take. Nobody in their right mind would object either. The fact that it takes Starmer so long to get anywhere near them is the worry. Along with the likelihood of these things actually happening given his Johnsonesque dodgy record of keeping his word.

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 14:17 - Oct 20 with 1453 views

HARRY10

A few will drift toward the lib dems but the hardliners will stay convinced they are the real holders of the sacred flame.

I've no doubt that after their all too brief attempt at putting their ideas into practice they will depart back to their echo chamber, ranting away to each other.

And the Tory party will remain, like Olive Oil, pulled this way and that by Blue to and Popeye.

The only blessing is that the current upheaval will see the disappearance of such repellent creatures as Coffey, Braverman, Rees Mogg, Badenoch and Dorries.

Not a spark of human decency among any of them.

Is this the end of the Tories? on 14:25 - Oct 20 with 1424 views

BlueRaider

Both main parties need to split really, which is very unlikely under first past the post, this is a very strong reason to support PR.

PR won't in my view exclude the tories from power, but will see the fringes of the two parties break off and leave us hopefully with sensible centre left / centre right governments

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Is this the end of the Tories? on 14:29 - Oct 20 with 1398 views

Kieran_Knows

I really hope so.

Absolute clusterf**k of a government.

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We’ve got super KM, he knows exactly what we need. Woolfie at the back…

Is this the end of the Tories? on 14:29 - Oct 20 with 1392 views

GeoffSentence

Is this the end of the Tories? on 14:17 - Oct 20 by Darth_Koont
Are these pledges? Of course, these are important measures to take. Nobody in their right mind would object either. The fact that it takes Starmer so long to get anywhere near them is the worry. Along with the likelihood of these things actually happening given his Johnsonesque dodgy record of keeping his word.

Tories would object to most of that, are you saying that they are not in their right mind?

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