| Trump-esque on 15:44 - Nov 26 with 3996 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
How is it Trump-esque?
Is the BBC Scotland headquarters the equivalent in Scotland of the Capitol? |  |
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| Trump-esque on 18:06 - Nov 26 with 3904 views | Swansea_Blue |
Er, why are they marching on the BBC?
(I bet it wasn't Trump-esque - I very much doubt they broke into the seat of democracy, wrecked the place and killed people). |  |
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| Trump-esque on 18:27 - Nov 26 with 3863 views | HARRY10 |
More misinformation from the wee free krankies
The Supreme court did not block anything. It merely reiterated what was already known.
" the 1998 Scotland Act, which established the Scottish parliament in 1999, the union between Scotland and England is a “reserved” issue, and thus falls under the jurisdiction of the UK parliament"
Wee Krankie knew this before taking it to court, but with falling support she saw this as an opportunity to 'rally the troops'.
Perhaps Town supporters should launch a court action to allow us into the Championship. When it is pointed that we have to qualify (promotion) we can whine that we are being 'blocked' from the Championship. |  | | |
| Trump-esque on 18:33 - Nov 26 with 3862 views | Oldsmoker |
| Trump-esque on 18:27 - Nov 26 by HARRY10 |
More misinformation from the wee free krankies
The Supreme court did not block anything. It merely reiterated what was already known.
" the 1998 Scotland Act, which established the Scottish parliament in 1999, the union between Scotland and England is a “reserved” issue, and thus falls under the jurisdiction of the UK parliament"
Wee Krankie knew this before taking it to court, but with falling support she saw this as an opportunity to 'rally the troops'.
Perhaps Town supporters should launch a court action to allow us into the Championship. When it is pointed that we have to qualify (promotion) we can whine that we are being 'blocked' from the Championship. |
We are all victims Harry. |  |
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| Trump-esque on 18:35 - Nov 26 with 3852 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Trump-esque on 18:27 - Nov 26 by HARRY10 |
More misinformation from the wee free krankies
The Supreme court did not block anything. It merely reiterated what was already known.
" the 1998 Scotland Act, which established the Scottish parliament in 1999, the union between Scotland and England is a “reserved” issue, and thus falls under the jurisdiction of the UK parliament"
Wee Krankie knew this before taking it to court, but with falling support she saw this as an opportunity to 'rally the troops'.
Perhaps Town supporters should launch a court action to allow us into the Championship. When it is pointed that we have to qualify (promotion) we can whine that we are being 'blocked' from the Championship. |
Establishment rightie piffle. |  |
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| Trump-esque on 18:46 - Nov 26 with 3830 views | Oldsmoker |
One day, the Scottish people will take the Westminster government to the ECHR (and win).
The case of discrimination against the Scottish by Westminster is already rammed with examples and every day the Conservatives remain in power the case grows stronger. | |
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| Trump-esque on 19:06 - Nov 26 with 3784 views | HARRY10 |
you really are a joke
twaddle from being a r-r-r-revolutionary to spouting rightwing slogans
that you see the laws of the land as rightwing piffle says it all | | | |
| Trump-esque on 19:26 - Nov 26 with 3761 views | HARRY10 |
| Trump-esque on 18:46 - Nov 26 by Oldsmoker |
One day, the Scottish people will take the Westminster government to the ECHR (and win).
The case of discrimination against the Scottish by Westminster is already rammed with examples and every day the Conservatives remain in power the case grows stronger. |
one example will do
Surgeon knew what the law was before the court case. All she is doing is what Farage did.
Make promises that cannot be kept, and avoid spelling out the reality of what she is claiming. If labour brings in the further devolved changes it is new talking of that would leave the SNP with the sole cry of
'You will never take away our votes' | | | |
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| Trump-esque on 19:32 - Nov 26 with 3766 views | SpruceMoose |
That's a pretty offensive comparison to be honest GB. |  |
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| Trump-esque on 19:49 - Nov 26 with 3721 views | Kievthegreat |
I think he's mostly right about the case, but misunderstood the SNP motives. The SNP knew that they couldn't hold a referendum unilaterally and that is why they asked for a review. The government in Westminster knew this too and that was why they petitioned that the court shouldn't make a judgement yet as the act had not passed yet.
What the court ruling shows is that any mandate given by the Scottish electorate is irrelevant as Westminster will still hold the keys to any referendum. That is a massive democratic failing and perfect ammunition for the SNP and an embarrassment for Westminster. Some might call it a cynical way of showing this to the public, but it is highlighting a major flaw in devolution and any route to leaving the UK. |  | | |
| Trump-esque on 20:02 - Nov 26 with 3686 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Trump-esque on 19:06 - Nov 26 by HARRY10 |
you really are a joke
twaddle from being a r-r-r-revolutionary to spouting rightwing slogans
that you see the laws of the land as rightwing piffle says it all |
Obey your masters rightie. | |
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| Trump-esque on 20:17 - Nov 26 with 3647 views | HARRY10 |
| Trump-esque on 19:49 - Nov 26 by Kievthegreat |
I think he's mostly right about the case, but misunderstood the SNP motives. The SNP knew that they couldn't hold a referendum unilaterally and that is why they asked for a review. The government in Westminster knew this too and that was why they petitioned that the court shouldn't make a judgement yet as the act had not passed yet.
What the court ruling shows is that any mandate given by the Scottish electorate is irrelevant as Westminster will still hold the keys to any referendum. That is a massive democratic failing and perfect ammunition for the SNP and an embarrassment for Westminster. Some might call it a cynical way of showing this to the public, but it is highlighting a major flaw in devolution and any route to leaving the UK. |
You seem a bit confused here.
The law as it stands was agreed by Scotland, through the Scotland Act 1998.
I am not sure what other act you are talking about is. And I would suggest the SNP were asking for a clarification. Not a review, quite different
Sturgeon is trying to spin the next UK election as a referendum, as regards Scottish votes. A bit disingenuous , as vites are cast for many reasons and Srurgeon is just trying to higjack their votes.
You, and others, would do well to be reminded of Sturgeons previous words
"Back in 2015, Sturgeon said there should not be another vote until independence had become “the choice of a clear majority in this country.”
Far from having a clear majority. There has not been any (sustained) majority at all. Time for her and the SNP to come clean on exactly what independence would actually mean
How long in would take (minimum 10 years), what currency would be used, how would the border be sorted (see NI protocol) rather than this sub Braveheart flag waving and sub Farage nationalistic rhetoric. | | | |
| Trump-esque on 00:43 - Nov 27 with 3483 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Did they smash the windows?
Did they storm in?
Did staff have to flee for their lives?
Were they carrying a gallows?
Were any of them members of armed Militia and carrying assault weapons?
Did anyone die?
For those wondering why the protest took place at BBC Scotland HQ: BBC Radio Scotland didn't broadcast the First Minister's statement following the Supreme Court ruling. The BBC is perceived by SNP supporters as beingmassively biased towards the Unionist side on the issue of Scottish Independence. | | | |
| Trump-esque on 00:49 - Nov 27 with 3479 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Trump-esque on 18:27 - Nov 26 by HARRY10 |
More misinformation from the wee free krankies
The Supreme court did not block anything. It merely reiterated what was already known.
" the 1998 Scotland Act, which established the Scottish parliament in 1999, the union between Scotland and England is a “reserved” issue, and thus falls under the jurisdiction of the UK parliament"
Wee Krankie knew this before taking it to court, but with falling support she saw this as an opportunity to 'rally the troops'.
Perhaps Town supporters should launch a court action to allow us into the Championship. When it is pointed that we have to qualify (promotion) we can whine that we are being 'blocked' from the Championship. |
It's weird the way you keep picking on the appearance of politicians who you disagree with on anything, and undermines your argument. The Jimmy Krankie joke was done years ago and most people have moved on.
The First Minister brought the case to the Supreme Court to establish the legal principle before deciding whether or not to proceed with a Referendum. She almost certainly would have expected to lose the case, but having the nature of the relationship between Scotland and the rest of the UK spelled out is also useful to her politically, as it establishes the "hostage scenario" narrative. | | | |
| Trump-esque on 08:21 - Nov 27 with 3378 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump-esque on 19:32 - Nov 26 by SpruceMoose |
That's a pretty offensive comparison to be honest GB. |
It’s not my intention to be offensive. But I don’t see the comparison as being any more or less offensive than those we have seen in here such as the “sleepwalking into fascism “ thread and numerous other threads where we have seen the UK compared to 1930’s Germany. Boris Johnson’s tactics have been often compared to Trump on here.
Let’s see what Scottish Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative politicians have had to say about Nicola Sturgeon’s rhetoric since the High Court decision.
“First minister ‘risks fuelling violence after court ruling’. Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, has warned Nicola Sturgeon that her emotive language risks stoking up violence after the Supreme Court decision this week”.
“Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of using the "Trump Playbook" following her defeat in the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, Scottish Conservative Leader Douglas Ross claimed the Scottish First Minister used "dangerous" language following her defeat in the Supreme Court. This came after Ms Sturgeon told separatists that they were "Scotland's democracy movement".
“ Alex Cole-Hamilton, the Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, tweeted: "This 'Scotland’s democracy movement' title is straight out of the Trump playbook and can get in the bin."
There has been sinister trend of nationalists attacking the free press in Scotland since the referendum in 2014. Journalists who dare to criticise the SNP are regularly abused and accused of being ‘quislings’.
From the vile abuse Nick Robinson got from nats, which included mocking his cancer diagnosis, over his coverage of the referendum which resulted in a mob descending on BBC Scotland’s Glasgow headquarters calling for him to be sacked for what they saw as biased coverage, to the hounding of the late John Smith’s daughter, Sarah Smith, who at the time was BBC Scotland editor.
Sarah Smith said how she was relieved to walk away from the “bile, hatred and misogyny” of Scottish politics. She described the endless abuse she received from nats: “People would “roll their car windows down to ask me, ‘What f***ing lies you’re going to be telling on TV tonight, you f***ing lying bitch?’” she said.
She went as far as to say that working in gun-toting US is less stressful than Scotland.
And before anyone says that the SNP leaders can’t be responsible for the actions I’d their supporters, read the Anas Sawar quote again from the third paragraph of this post. Or look at the words of former SNP leader Alex Salmond who refused to condemn the protest outside the BBC which called for Nick Robinson’s sacking, calling the demonstrations ‘joyous’.
Is very easy for people who do not live in Scotland to look at Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP, see that they have great popularity with a large section of the Scottish voters, see that she is an extremely accomplished media performer, see their hatred of the Tories, and develop a positive confirmation bias that they do not deserve.
But as somebody who does live here, I see the divisive rhetoric that is used by the SNP and the constant attacks on the press. Tuesday [Post edited 27 Nov 2022 8:36]
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| Trump-esque on 09:12 - Nov 27 with 3335 views | Darth_Koont |
| Trump-esque on 08:21 - Nov 27 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s not my intention to be offensive. But I don’t see the comparison as being any more or less offensive than those we have seen in here such as the “sleepwalking into fascism “ thread and numerous other threads where we have seen the UK compared to 1930’s Germany. Boris Johnson’s tactics have been often compared to Trump on here.
Let’s see what Scottish Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative politicians have had to say about Nicola Sturgeon’s rhetoric since the High Court decision.
“First minister ‘risks fuelling violence after court ruling’. Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, has warned Nicola Sturgeon that her emotive language risks stoking up violence after the Supreme Court decision this week”.
“Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of using the "Trump Playbook" following her defeat in the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, Scottish Conservative Leader Douglas Ross claimed the Scottish First Minister used "dangerous" language following her defeat in the Supreme Court. This came after Ms Sturgeon told separatists that they were "Scotland's democracy movement".
“ Alex Cole-Hamilton, the Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, tweeted: "This 'Scotland’s democracy movement' title is straight out of the Trump playbook and can get in the bin."
There has been sinister trend of nationalists attacking the free press in Scotland since the referendum in 2014. Journalists who dare to criticise the SNP are regularly abused and accused of being ‘quislings’.
From the vile abuse Nick Robinson got from nats, which included mocking his cancer diagnosis, over his coverage of the referendum which resulted in a mob descending on BBC Scotland’s Glasgow headquarters calling for him to be sacked for what they saw as biased coverage, to the hounding of the late John Smith’s daughter, Sarah Smith, who at the time was BBC Scotland editor.
Sarah Smith said how she was relieved to walk away from the “bile, hatred and misogyny” of Scottish politics. She described the endless abuse she received from nats: “People would “roll their car windows down to ask me, ‘What f***ing lies you’re going to be telling on TV tonight, you f***ing lying bitch?’” she said.
She went as far as to say that working in gun-toting US is less stressful than Scotland.
And before anyone says that the SNP leaders can’t be responsible for the actions I’d their supporters, read the Anas Sawar quote again from the third paragraph of this post. Or look at the words of former SNP leader Alex Salmond who refused to condemn the protest outside the BBC which called for Nick Robinson’s sacking, calling the demonstrations ‘joyous’.
Is very easy for people who do not live in Scotland to look at Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP, see that they have great popularity with a large section of the Scottish voters, see that she is an extremely accomplished media performer, see their hatred of the Tories, and develop a positive confirmation bias that they do not deserve.
But as somebody who does live here, I see the divisive rhetoric that is used by the SNP and the constant attacks on the press. Tuesday [Post edited 27 Nov 2022 8:36]
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Classic GB.
Clown-esque. |  |
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| Trump-esque on 09:13 - Nov 27 with 3332 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Trump-esque on 00:43 - Nov 27 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Did they smash the windows?
Did they storm in?
Did staff have to flee for their lives?
Were they carrying a gallows?
Were any of them members of armed Militia and carrying assault weapons?
Did anyone die?
For those wondering why the protest took place at BBC Scotland HQ: BBC Radio Scotland didn't broadcast the First Minister's statement following the Supreme Court ruling. The BBC is perceived by SNP supporters as beingmassively biased towards the Unionist side on the issue of Scottish Independence. |
Some people seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is a direct comparison with the storming of the Capitol Building. It’s not.
What happened on January 6th wasn’t the beginning. It was a culmination of years of Trump stirring up division and portraying himself and his movement as the victims.
It was the endless “they are stealing democracy from us” rhetoric. The attack sin the press as being biased. The using Washington as the bogeyman. | |
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| Trump-esque on 09:38 - Nov 27 with 3269 views | eireblue |
| Trump-esque on 09:13 - Nov 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Some people seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is a direct comparison with the storming of the Capitol Building. It’s not.
What happened on January 6th wasn’t the beginning. It was a culmination of years of Trump stirring up division and portraying himself and his movement as the victims.
It was the endless “they are stealing democracy from us” rhetoric. The attack sin the press as being biased. The using Washington as the bogeyman. |
Oh, you mean the Brexit campaign. |  | | |
| Trump-esque on 10:27 - Nov 27 with 3176 views | giant_stow |
| Trump-esque on 09:38 - Nov 27 by eireblue |
Oh, you mean the Brexit campaign. |
Yes that's fair, but then two nationalist campaigns behaving in a similar way is not that surprising.
Gb overstated things in his op, but his later clarifications seem fair, imho. |  |
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| Trump-esque on 10:35 - Nov 27 with 3154 views | leitrimblue |
I for 1 am loving the GB and Harry dream team on this subject. Good to see a couple of the boards righties getting on so well |  | | |
| Trump-esque on 11:30 - Nov 27 with 3043 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trump-esque on 10:27 - Nov 27 by giant_stow |
Yes that's fair, but then two nationalist campaigns behaving in a similar way is not that surprising.
Gb overstated things in his op, but his later clarifications seem fair, imho. |
I'm not sure they're that similar are they? The nationalist movements within the UK only seem to have a single 'enemy' in UK rule. And there's some justification for that given how they have been treated. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm talking about the people driving the movement, the politicians and not the inevitable numpties who align with them and then behave like idiots - you get those in all walks of life.
Brexit had the single enemy in the EU, but as we've seen it's underpinned by something a lot darker - making enemies of anyone 'not like us'. It's a negative, inward-looking, xenophobic at best and racist at worst movement. It's a vehicle for decreased accountability, an executive power grab at the cost of parliamentary democracy and fundamentally is removing rights and opportunities for British people whilst making the country as a whole poorer. The recent announcement on possible foreign students sums that up a treat - considering trashing one of our genuinely world class sectors because 'foRrinErs'.
The Scottish and Welsh governments seem much more outward looking and have policies that in the main are founded more in social justice and equality. (Although worth noting that the Welsh Government is supportive of the Union, but Plaid's policies similarly outward looking and more social progressive (for want of a better word)).
That's not to say there aren't issues of course. There's certainly elements of nasty anti-English xenophobia amongst some of the more militant activists associated with these movements. | |
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| Trump-esque on 11:56 - Nov 27 with 2959 views | Darth_Koont |
| Trump-esque on 11:30 - Nov 27 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm not sure they're that similar are they? The nationalist movements within the UK only seem to have a single 'enemy' in UK rule. And there's some justification for that given how they have been treated. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm talking about the people driving the movement, the politicians and not the inevitable numpties who align with them and then behave like idiots - you get those in all walks of life.
Brexit had the single enemy in the EU, but as we've seen it's underpinned by something a lot darker - making enemies of anyone 'not like us'. It's a negative, inward-looking, xenophobic at best and racist at worst movement. It's a vehicle for decreased accountability, an executive power grab at the cost of parliamentary democracy and fundamentally is removing rights and opportunities for British people whilst making the country as a whole poorer. The recent announcement on possible foreign students sums that up a treat - considering trashing one of our genuinely world class sectors because 'foRrinErs'.
The Scottish and Welsh governments seem much more outward looking and have policies that in the main are founded more in social justice and equality. (Although worth noting that the Welsh Government is supportive of the Union, but Plaid's policies similarly outward looking and more social progressive (for want of a better word)).
That's not to say there aren't issues of course. There's certainly elements of nasty anti-English xenophobia amongst some of the more militant activists associated with these movements. |
Indeed.
The lazy smeary comparisons with right-wing populism and xenophobia are laughably inaccurate. But they do indicate an unwillingness (and likely an inability) to address the reality of the UK and its disregard for regions and people outside our dangerously centralised and self-serving establishment.
The people of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and especially England need an honest discussion of the underlying issues and where the countries and the UK as a whole are heading. But unfortunately we’ll just get Daily Mail-style diatribes and these silly smeary games from the cybertw@ts. | |
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| Trump-esque on 13:06 - Nov 27 with 2897 views | WD19 |
To go full Trump Nicola would have to be threatening to run as an independent if her party ever had the temerity to deselect her. |  | | |
| Trump-esque on 13:18 - Nov 27 with 2880 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Trump-esque on 13:06 - Nov 27 by WD19 |
To go full Trump Nicola would have to be threatening to run as an independent if her party ever had the temerity to deselect her. |
The only real similarity here is that GB doesn't like either of them. | |
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| Trump-esque on 14:14 - Nov 27 with 2820 views | SpruceMoose |
| Trump-esque on 09:13 - Nov 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Some people seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is a direct comparison with the storming of the Capitol Building. It’s not.
What happened on January 6th wasn’t the beginning. It was a culmination of years of Trump stirring up division and portraying himself and his movement as the victims.
It was the endless “they are stealing democracy from us” rhetoric. The attack sin the press as being biased. The using Washington as the bogeyman. |
Thank you for mansplaining the situation in America to me!
Probably best to just put your hands up to this one GB, it was a poor choice of comparison. | |
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