| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:13 - Jan 26 with 3883 views | NthQldITFC |
I look forward to a nice calm debate on the matter. |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:17 - Jan 26 with 3849 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:13 - Jan 26 by NthQldITFC |
I look forward to a nice calm debate on the matter. |
Where's Callis when you need him? |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:19 - Jan 26 with 3833 views | JakeITFC |
For the best, don’t want her to win all of the prison swimming and skateboarding competitions. |  | | |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:22 - Jan 26 with 3823 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:13 - Jan 26 by NthQldITFC |
I look forward to a nice calm debate on the matter. |
It should be a rational debate. By the letter of the law this offender should serve time in a women's prison as they have transitioned and have a gender recognition certificate. This is how recent legislation is now falling apart because we have an an example of the concerns shown at the time. The offender was on remand in a women's prison and the Scottish government only folded on this after an outcry. |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:23 - Jan 26 with 3810 views | Bluefields |
Hopefully they will serve their time as a rapist with all the privileges that crime normally brings. |  | | |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:24 - Jan 26 with 3795 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
It's a very rare case before anyone uses this to jump on trans people again. But it's a tricky one and I guess the best answer can't be given by us on here - the person needs to be assessed as to their threat now. On the face of it they shouldn't be in a women's prison, but then gay rapists serve in men's prisons so technically she should go in a women's prison. Glad it's not my decision to make! | |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:27 - Jan 26 with 3779 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:23 - Jan 26 by Bluefields |
Hopefully they will serve their time as a rapist with all the privileges that crime normally brings. |
OK. I have no sleep loss over whatever punishment the 'lags' dish out to rapists and paedos who are in prison. However, what prison does this offender serve their time in?
Put her in a women's prison and she is a clear danger to other women. Put her in a men's prison and if she is fully transitioned then they are in very grave danger of being passed about by other inmates for their own sexual gratification.
Does this case make a farce of recent legislation? [Post edited 26 Jan 2023 15:38]
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:31 - Jan 26 with 3719 views | Swansea_Blue |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:32 - Jan 26 with 3719 views | itfcjoe |
Well guess the answer is make life uncomfortable for all the women in a prison if in a women's prison, or make it uncomfortable for the offender if put into a male prison.
I think when spelled out like that there should only be one answer - gender recognition certificate or not |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:34 - Jan 26 with 3678 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:27 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
OK. I have no sleep loss over whatever punishment the 'lags' dish out to rapists and paedos who are in prison. However, what prison does this offender serve their time in?
Put her in a women's prison and she is a clear danger to other women. Put her in a men's prison and if she is fully transitioned then they are in very grave danger of being passed about by other inmates for their own sexual gratification.
Does this case make a farce of recent legislation? [Post edited 26 Jan 2023 15:38]
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I don’t think it makes a farce of the recent legislation does it? Wasn’t that more about the speed of the process (so wouldn’t necessarily stop this type of occurrence)?
It’s a tough one to balance safety of fellow inmates v safety of the individual. I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible. | |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:34 - Jan 26 with 3669 views | Illinoisblue |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:17 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where's Callis when you need him? |
Shouting at clouds at the local skate park? |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:37 - Jan 26 with 3637 views | Ryorry |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:27 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
OK. I have no sleep loss over whatever punishment the 'lags' dish out to rapists and paedos who are in prison. However, what prison does this offender serve their time in?
Put her in a women's prison and she is a clear danger to other women. Put her in a men's prison and if she is fully transitioned then they are in very grave danger of being passed about by other inmates for their own sexual gratification.
Does this case make a farce of recent legislation? [Post edited 26 Jan 2023 15:38]
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Former Governor of the Scottish womens' prison in question just said on BBC R4 World At One that she thinks the answer should be separate wings for trans people, which seems sensible & practical to me. |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:38 - Jan 26 with 3633 views | hatch |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:24 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's a very rare case before anyone uses this to jump on trans people again. But it's a tricky one and I guess the best answer can't be given by us on here - the person needs to be assessed as to their threat now. On the face of it they shouldn't be in a women's prison, but then gay rapists serve in men's prisons so technically she should go in a women's prison. Glad it's not my decision to make! |
Yes, if there was a cis female rapist of other females - would they be placed in a men's prison?
Not sure there's an precedent for it which makes it tricky. I guess the argument around a convicted gay rapist being in a men's prison with her being a convicted lesbian rapist is slightly different because physically she is likely to be stronger than many of the cis women in the prison but that's probably the only difference? |  | | |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:39 - Jan 26 with 3609 views | DanTheMan |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:32 - Jan 26 by itfcjoe |
Well guess the answer is make life uncomfortable for all the women in a prison if in a women's prison, or make it uncomfortable for the offender if put into a male prison.
I think when spelled out like that there should only be one answer - gender recognition certificate or not |
Whilst I personally agree they should, at least for the time being, be put into a men's prison, it does raise some other questions about where you put sex offenders of any gender.
If you had a male rapist who raped other men who were put in a male prison, I imagine some of the inmates would feel uncomfortable.
If you had a female rapist who raped other women who were put in a female prison, I imagine some of the inmates would also feel uncomfortable. |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:41 - Jan 26 with 3571 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Shouldn't Keno have started this thread.
She is now being returned to a male prison....but will she be safe?
I'm fairly sure that none of this could possibly happen btw....  |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:42 - Jan 26 with 3568 views | waveneyblue |
Bryson decided to transition from a man to a woman while awaiting trial
and the comments made by their ex wife - give you all you need to know about this "character" |  | | |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:42 - Jan 26 with 3560 views | itfcjoe |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:38 - Jan 26 by hatch |
Yes, if there was a cis female rapist of other females - would they be placed in a men's prison?
Not sure there's an precedent for it which makes it tricky. I guess the argument around a convicted gay rapist being in a men's prison with her being a convicted lesbian rapist is slightly different because physically she is likely to be stronger than many of the cis women in the prison but that's probably the only difference? |
A cis female can't rape someone, they need to have a penis | |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:44 - Jan 26 with 3523 views | itfcjoe |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:39 - Jan 26 by DanTheMan |
Whilst I personally agree they should, at least for the time being, be put into a men's prison, it does raise some other questions about where you put sex offenders of any gender.
If you had a male rapist who raped other men who were put in a male prison, I imagine some of the inmates would feel uncomfortable.
If you had a female rapist who raped other women who were put in a female prison, I imagine some of the inmates would also feel uncomfortable. |
I don't disagree with the premise, but there has been a long history of male prisoners committing sexual assaults on other male prisoners so guess it is something more baked into how male prisons operate? | |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:47 - Jan 26 with 3505 views | DanTheMan |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:42 - Jan 26 by itfcjoe |
A cis female can't rape someone, they need to have a penis |
That's just avoiding the question, what if they forcibly sexually assaulted someone? The fact that rape has to involve a penis under UK law is a bit peculiar. [Post edited 26 Jan 2023 13:48]
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:49 - Jan 26 with 3502 views | DanTheMan |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:44 - Jan 26 by itfcjoe |
I don't disagree with the premise, but there has been a long history of male prisoners committing sexual assaults on other male prisoners so guess it is something more baked into how male prisons operate? |
That would suggest then that perhaps the problem isn't actually anything to do with gender but with having people who sexually assault others being able to continue to sexually assault others in prison. | |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:53 - Jan 26 with 3484 views | DJR |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:27 - Jan 26 by GlasgowBlue |
OK. I have no sleep loss over whatever punishment the 'lags' dish out to rapists and paedos who are in prison. However, what prison does this offender serve their time in?
Put her in a women's prison and she is a clear danger to other women. Put her in a men's prison and if she is fully transitioned then they are in very grave danger of being passed about by other inmates for their own sexual gratification.
Does this case make a farce of recent legislation? [Post edited 26 Jan 2023 15:38]
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It is not clear to me that the recent legislation, which hasn't even come into force, has made any difference. The policy about prisons is governed by the UK-wide Equality Act 2010, and the same issues already arise in England, where women's prisons can house inmates who were born male but identify as female, regardless of whether they have gone through any physical transformation or have obtained a gender recognition certificate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57692993 [Post edited 26 Jan 2023 14:09]
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:54 - Jan 26 with 3483 views | BiGDonnie |
If he's had his willy chopped off, female prison. If he still has a willy, male prison.
Too easy. |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:59 - Jan 26 with 3398 views | giant_stow |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:42 - Jan 26 by itfcjoe |
A cis female can't rape someone, they need to have a penis |
There was a case recently where a woman pretended to be a man, met vulnerable women online and 'raped' them / conned them into sex using a sex toy. I don't know whether they were charged with rape, but it seems like rape to me. |  |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 14:01 - Jan 26 with 3389 views | DanTheMan |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:59 - Jan 26 by giant_stow |
There was a case recently where a woman pretended to be a man, met vulnerable women online and 'raped' them / conned them into sex using a sex toy. I don't know whether they were charged with rape, but it seems like rape to me. |
Legally it's not rape under UK law, unfortunately. I believe it comes under "Assault by penetration". | |
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| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 14:02 - Jan 26 with 3384 views | J2BLUE |
| Should this offender serve their time in a woman or man prison? on 13:32 - Jan 26 by itfcjoe |
Well guess the answer is make life uncomfortable for all the women in a prison if in a women's prison, or make it uncomfortable for the offender if put into a male prison.
I think when spelled out like that there should only be one answer - gender recognition certificate or not |
This.
Don't think this is a difficult one at all. |  |
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