| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship 11:58 - Apr 21 with 4165 views | wkj |
I think there is little doubt that the team we have now is stronger than the team we had in the Championship for the season we went down - possibly even stronger than a couple of seasons before we went down too.
If we were to go up with this team and made no signings (but also retained everyone from this season) - where do you think we would finish?
There is a lot of chatter on the pinkun' forum where people dismiss town with the logic that the gap in quality between Championship and L1 is large, but given how competitive it is and with 4 teams likely to finish close to/above 90 pts, I think the gap in L1's high flyers and the Championships mid table is closer than it has ever been.
Given how we play and the display we put in against Burnley in the cup, I actually have a feeling we would be able to finish mid table or better with this current team of players. How about you, where do you think we'd finish? [Post edited 21 Apr 2023 12:01]
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:05 - Apr 21 with 2977 views | homer_123 |
We'd compete in the Championship with this team. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:08 - Apr 21 with 2970 views | wkj |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:05 - Apr 21 by homer_123 |
We'd compete in the Championship with this team. |
I did get a chuckle here as wordplay dictates 100% truth - if this squad was in the championship, we would be indeed competing in the Championship. For clarity though, does your reply extend beyond clever word play
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:10 - Apr 21 with 2946 views | clive_baker |
I think as it stands it's a squad that would compete somewhere around the middle of the league. I'm not convinced the gap between the top of L1 and middle of the Championship is that big, I would agree bottom of the Championship is much stronger than the bottom of L1 though, this is really a league of have's and have nots (relatively speaking).
Most of our squad have played at that level already. Walton at Wigan and Blackburn, Clarke at Stoke, Davis at Bournemouth, Morsy at Wigan and Boro, Lee Evans for multiple clubs, Broadhead, Chaplin scored double figures up there, Ladapo did OK for a struggling side, Edmundson has played there too, Ball did for QPR. Even Jackson. Edwards came from West Brom, Burns has been in the Wales fold with largely Championship or Premier League players.
I just don't see it as a jump that will phase anyone. The standard is higher, definitely. The floor is that much higher, an 'easier' game at that level is a Birmingham, Reading or Blackpool which is probably a top 6 game at this level, you simply don't get a Forest Green.
We would strengthen if we go up anyway, so something of a moot point. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:10 - Apr 21 with 2943 views | Darth_Koont |
If promoted, I’m sure other squads will have as much if not more individual quality. Even if we’ll add to the squad significantly.
But don’t think we should underestimate the value of a promoted team and coach that has had the “luxury” of developing a winning team over a couple of seasons. Rather than the firefighting and/or quick fixes that seem to predominate life in the Championship for most clubs.
The team building aspect may well make us play-off hopefuls. Possibly even more than that like Burley’s promotion team managed where the distance to the top was even more massive in the Prem.
Having said all that, mid table consolidation while we take the team up a level would probably be more realistic than getting in the promotion frame or struggling at the bottom. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:14 - Apr 21 with 2928 views | wkj |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:10 - Apr 21 by Darth_Koont |
If promoted, I’m sure other squads will have as much if not more individual quality. Even if we’ll add to the squad significantly.
But don’t think we should underestimate the value of a promoted team and coach that has had the “luxury” of developing a winning team over a couple of seasons. Rather than the firefighting and/or quick fixes that seem to predominate life in the Championship for most clubs.
The team building aspect may well make us play-off hopefuls. Possibly even more than that like Burley’s promotion team managed where the distance to the top was even more massive in the Prem.
Having said all that, mid table consolidation while we take the team up a level would probably be more realistic than getting in the promotion frame or struggling at the bottom. |
Not to create another sh1t on Marcus Evans comment, but I think this paraphrased chunk of your comment is the most potent
"(The) team and coach that has ... develop(ed) a winning team over a couple of seasons. Rather than the firefighting and/or quick fixes that seem to predominate life in the Championship for most clubs."
It really has been a case of the latter for us for so many years before GC20 good the board room. | |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:17 - Apr 21 with 2897 views | FrimleyBlue |
Hmm. Tough one.
I think possible lineup
Walton
Clarke
Wolfenden
New cb
Davis
New rw
Morsy
New cm
Broadhead
Chaplin
New striker maybe hirst if Leicester don't go down
Squad backups
Hladky
Edwards
Jackson
Burgess
Humphreys
Camara
Luongo
Edmundson
Burns
Idris
Its actually quite difficult. Because I think alot of this squad could cope in the championship... but who could get us towards that top 6.. think that's the interesting bit. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:19 - Apr 21 with 2890 views | wkj |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:17 - Apr 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Hmm. Tough one.
I think possible lineup
Walton
Clarke
Wolfenden
New cb
Davis
New rw
Morsy
New cm
Broadhead
Chaplin
New striker maybe hirst if Leicester don't go down
Squad backups
Hladky
Edwards
Jackson
Burgess
Humphreys
Camara
Luongo
Edmundson
Burns
Idris
Its actually quite difficult. Because I think alot of this squad could cope in the championship... but who could get us towards that top 6.. think that's the interesting bit. |
If we did push top 6, I think the biggest key is McKenna who seems to read games and other teams with uncanny accuracy. It will be interesting how his game management will impact the team if we're in a scrap for points. | |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:20 - Apr 21 with 2877 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:10 - Apr 21 by Darth_Koont |
If promoted, I’m sure other squads will have as much if not more individual quality. Even if we’ll add to the squad significantly.
But don’t think we should underestimate the value of a promoted team and coach that has had the “luxury” of developing a winning team over a couple of seasons. Rather than the firefighting and/or quick fixes that seem to predominate life in the Championship for most clubs.
The team building aspect may well make us play-off hopefuls. Possibly even more than that like Burley’s promotion team managed where the distance to the top was even more massive in the Prem.
Having said all that, mid table consolidation while we take the team up a level would probably be more realistic than getting in the promotion frame or struggling at the bottom. |
No one asked me, but I think you're right in the 2nd para there, plus the power of winning momentum being a slightly separate additional factor. That last bit is also a factor for us, but in reverse.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:23 - Apr 21 with 2862 views | cressi |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:17 - Apr 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Hmm. Tough one.
I think possible lineup
Walton
Clarke
Wolfenden
New cb
Davis
New rw
Morsy
New cm
Broadhead
Chaplin
New striker maybe hirst if Leicester don't go down
Squad backups
Hladky
Edwards
Jackson
Burgess
Humphreys
Camara
Luongo
Edmundson
Burns
Idris
Its actually quite difficult. Because I think alot of this squad could cope in the championship... but who could get us towards that top 6.. think that's the interesting bit. |
Think most sides in the championship play a different way to league one.
If you take our loan players out of the equation I think we would need 4/ 5 players hopefully even better than we have at present.
Possibly lose 3/4. |  | | |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:24 - Apr 21 with 2859 views | BlueNomad |
I actually think we would be near the play-offs. Plenty have teams have gone up from L1 to do ok. Luton and Millwall can't be that far ahead of us and are challenging.
Those going down from the Prem: Southampton would probably challenge but if Leicester go they are likely to be in shock / chaos, Forest will find that even parachute payments aren't going to help with the massive outlay they have made since promotion. Any of the others in danger of going down would be a force in the Championship. |  | | |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:24 - Apr 21 with 2853 views | Pinewoodblue |
Should we get over the line the majority of the current squad, with a few additions, is more than likely to see us closer to the top than mid table. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:25 - Apr 21 with 2856 views | nodge_blue |
Compare this current team to that which finished in 6th in the championship under McCarthy.
Who would you swap out from that team and put in this?
Id say, Bart, Mings. Berra, Murphy.
Chambers - at right back id take Clarke.
Smith - not a great CB. Wolf easily better.
Bru - no where near good enough.
Skuse - Id take Morsey over him for his all round game.
Anderson - lucky to be in that side. Burns better.
Sears - no one is picking him over Broadhead.
Bishop - well before his injuries he looked good. But right now Id take Chaplin.
So I see no reason why we won't be very competitive. Probably top 10. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:25 - Apr 21 with 2851 views | homer_123 |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:08 - Apr 21 by wkj |
I did get a chuckle here as wordplay dictates 100% truth - if this squad was in the championship, we would be indeed competing in the Championship. For clarity though, does your reply extend beyond clever word play
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Hehehe - sorry being slightly facetious there!
Yeah, it does - I think this squad would be at least mid-table. | |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:32 - Apr 21 with 2809 views | solemio |
It wouldn't faze me if we were seriously competitive. Not PHASE.
No, no. Please don't thank me; you're very welcome. | | | |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:36 - Apr 21 with 2790 views | BigCommon |
Championship standard?
League 1 standard ?
Or any league standard?
What does it even mean?
I mean. Take the top 6 from any division and compare them to the rest of the league, and you'll probably find huge differences in quality...
I don't watch a lot of Championship football.But from what I've seen, there's a lot of mediocrity below the top 3 or 4 teams. Which is evident , by how tight it is( has been) between the 8 or so teams in the chasing pack..
Hypothetically, imo, we'd more tham hold our own in the mid section of the Championship, as it stands.
If you factored in, the momentum of the club (which would only increase with promotion). Plus the addition of a few more quality players, and the means to strengthen again in January, as we have this season. Then I don't see why we couldn't challenge for the play offs... I say this, only because, when you look at the games lost/points dropped for teams that are challenging in 8th-10th spot. Then theres plenty of room for a slowish start, adjustment period. And I think a manager like KM, is capable of working out what we'd need to do, who we'd need to add, to make it possible to kick on in the 2nd half of thr season. And we know the club would back him. |  | | |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:42 - Apr 21 with 2748 views | WinchBlue |
mid table most probably |  | | |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 13:50 - Apr 21 with 2546 views | jayessess |
With a bit of good fortune, I could see the squad as is competing in the top half of the Championship.
I think the question is only partly about the quality of individuals. I think we've got a lot of players who'd make the step up no problem (a lot who've already played in competitive teams at that level) but I think the coaching, patterns of play, tactics are the huge thing. I think the standard of play collectively at the moment is outstanding. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 13:55 - Apr 21 with 2513 views | ITFC_Forever |
About 10th.... not quite good enough for the POs, but well clear of the bottom-dwellers. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 14:00 - Apr 21 with 2496 views | Churchman |
With no additions and retaining Hurst and Luongo, this team is better than Sunderland’s. It’d finish top 6, possibly better. It’s way of playing would be even more effective as fewer teams would be likely to adopt the the 11-0-0 formation of many of our opponents. |  | | |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 14:08 - Apr 21 with 2433 views | J2BLUE |
Top half. With a few additions definitely competing for sixth.
If we go up I look forward to seeing the odds for Town to finish above Norwich because I strongly fancy that. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 14:20 - Apr 21 with 2397 views | Metal_Hacker |
This is what excites me and why we soooo need to get out of this league
This brand of football doesn't really lend itself to this horrible league but is more suited to the Champ IMHO . I've watched far too much football this season on the TV this season probably to the delight of Mrs Hacker but hey ho -and sometimes it sickens me watching the dross I watch when I consider our better performances far exceeds some of the stuff I've seen
That said I think we'd compete quite well with the current squad but it really excites me as to how we would improve what we've already got considering what we've managed to do this season in Jan.I acknowledge the financial constraints are slightly different in the Champ but even so...exciting times WHEN we get there ! |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 14:25 - Apr 21 with 2373 views | GavTWTD |
Should we get promoted I wouldn't be disappointed if we started the new season with our current first eleven.
My guess is that Hirst is available to buy but I don't know if KM has a better option up his sleeve. I'd also like another #10 at the same level as Broadhead and Chaplin as there's a drop off in quality under them.
My gut says we need another CM but I love the current pairing of Morsy and Luongo. I think they're good enough but another at that standard would be welcome.
And at CB I don't think we have strength in depth so another there.
I don't really like saying Player X isn't good enough because they've all done their bit this season and they deserve respect and our thanks. We don't need a massive overhaul. |  |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 14:26 - Apr 21 with 2367 views | RobTheMonk |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 12:25 - Apr 21 by nodge_blue |
Compare this current team to that which finished in 6th in the championship under McCarthy.
Who would you swap out from that team and put in this?
Id say, Bart, Mings. Berra, Murphy.
Chambers - at right back id take Clarke.
Smith - not a great CB. Wolf easily better.
Bru - no where near good enough.
Skuse - Id take Morsey over him for his all round game.
Anderson - lucky to be in that side. Burns better.
Sears - no one is picking him over Broadhead.
Bishop - well before his injuries he looked good. But right now Id take Chaplin.
So I see no reason why we won't be very competitive. Probably top 10. |
Bru was alright to be fair.
You don't play near 100 game for Mick McCarthy in centre mid at a time when he had us competing on a shoestring budget if you've not got something about you. |  | | |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 15:21 - Apr 21 with 2251 views | wkj |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 14:26 - Apr 21 by RobTheMonk |
Bru was alright to be fair.
You don't play near 100 game for Mick McCarthy in centre mid at a time when he had us competing on a shoestring budget if you've not got something about you. |
Bru always felt like he had bags of potential but didn't always have the workrate to reach that potential. On his day, he could be a pretty exciting player - but over the course of his career to feels like he never really had the drive to reach higher. | |
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| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 15:29 - Apr 21 with 2208 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hypothetical: The current squad in the Championship on 14:26 - Apr 21 by RobTheMonk |
Bru was alright to be fair.
You don't play near 100 game for Mick McCarthy in centre mid at a time when he had us competing on a shoestring budget if you've not got something about you. |
Whilst true. Remember myles kenlock somehow got 55 championship appearences. What were our other choices instead of Bru.. or was it like kenlock where we didn't have a choice but to use him. | |
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