| Centre Backs. 06:34 - Jun 27 with 3438 views | EssexBloo |
There haven’t been many links to new signing so do you think Wolf/Burgess will be first choice for this season. Interesting to see if Baggott is good/old enough now to be first choice back up. |  | | |  |
| Centre Backs. on 07:24 - Jun 27 with 3328 views | Horsham |
No doubt someone (I think I know who) will be along in a minute to say Woolf and Burgess aren’t good enough for the Championship!
I think it’s a really interesting question as to what we do with the centre of defence. There was a good chemistry with the back 4 at the end of last season and the GA record speaks for itself albeit a level lower. I don’t think I’d be worried about the current options if I could be confident Edmundson is fit. I’d suggest Clarke could also cover if needed and at a push Ball if he’s still in the squad. Not sure it’s a priority for me but i know it is for a lot of others! |  | | |
| Centre Backs. on 07:33 - Jun 27 with 3286 views | xrayspecs |
I think we need an experienced head to come into the back four, most likely a left sided CB for Burgess. Baggott has limited L1 experience so cannot see him jumping from half a season in L2 to being a contender in the Champ. A season too soon imw. | | | |
| Centre Backs. on 07:47 - Jun 27 with 3243 views | Herbivore |
Still think we'll see someone signed at CB. Burgess did well last season overall but I am not 100% convinced he'd do as well in the Championship. He got caught flat footed a few occasions last season and was punished a couple of times for it but got away with it on other occasions. I worry whether he is mobile enough for the step up and whether he's good enough on the ball in games that are likely to be tighter. If we end up with the same CB pairing as last season then I'm not going to be losing sleep over it, but we're light on numbers there now Keogh has gone and if we're going to need to sign someone then we may as well look for an upgrade. |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 07:51 - Jun 27 with 3226 views | BlueBoots |
| Centre Backs. on 07:24 - Jun 27 by Horsham |
No doubt someone (I think I know who) will be along in a minute to say Woolf and Burgess aren’t good enough for the Championship!
I think it’s a really interesting question as to what we do with the centre of defence. There was a good chemistry with the back 4 at the end of last season and the GA record speaks for itself albeit a level lower. I don’t think I’d be worried about the current options if I could be confident Edmundson is fit. I’d suggest Clarke could also cover if needed and at a push Ball if he’s still in the squad. Not sure it’s a priority for me but i know it is for a lot of others! |
I'd include Leigh in the list of emergency CB's - always seems to win his headers when I've seen him play. Do think we need to go into the season with 4 recognised CB's though - long old season with possible injuries and suspensions to risk just 2 on the pitch and 1 on the bench. |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 07:58 - Jun 27 with 3185 views | NthQldITFC |
| Centre Backs. on 07:51 - Jun 27 by BlueBoots |
I'd include Leigh in the list of emergency CB's - always seems to win his headers when I've seen him play. Do think we need to go into the season with 4 recognised CB's though - long old season with possible injuries and suspensions to risk just 2 on the pitch and 1 on the bench. |
I'd also include Donacien, particularly with the way we play now. I know JD's move to RB was the making of him at Town, but he has real ability on the ball and with Woolfie could really stretch an opposition press around. Whether he'd be right against a more physical forward line, not so sure, be he can certainly cover that position. |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 08:13 - Jun 27 with 3100 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Noticed Burnley signed Dara O'Shea so they now have 7 centre back I think.
Wonder if they fancy sending us Luke Mcnally |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 08:24 - Jun 27 with 3039 views | tractordownsouth |
A left-sided centre back will be on the list. Woolfenden and Edmundson will compete for the right side whereas we currently only have Burgess for the left, assuming Baggott goes out on loan. |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 08:29 - Jun 27 with 2979 views | FrimleyBlue |
I don't see the pairing coping with a high press of the level that Luton showed last season. But not every side will play that way so Burgess for me is good for certain teams. Wolfy as long as he can control his concentration levels will be fine. |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 08:41 - Jun 27 with 2921 views | Churchman |
The defence was excellent last season. I’d leave it alone. If we do anything in that area, bring in an experienced back up, if we can find one with the right attitude.
A Hirst or Hurst replacement is the priority. |  | | |
| Centre Backs. on 08:49 - Jun 27 with 2897 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Centre Backs. on 08:41 - Jun 27 by Churchman |
The defence was excellent last season. I’d leave it alone. If we do anything in that area, bring in an experienced back up, if we can find one with the right attitude.
A Hirst or Hurst replacement is the priority. |
This is a big step up. Not sure we can afford to take any risks.
Burgess had a superb end to the season, but do i see him as a top half championship defender? I cant say I do. One thing we are going to see a lot more of this season is players running directly at our defenders. Just looking at Sunderland on the opening day, we could be up against Patrick Roberts and Jack Clarke running head on at our defenders, which is an area Burgess has never excelled in. | |
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| Centre Backs. on 08:55 - Jun 27 with 2873 views | SheffordBlue |
| Centre Backs. on 08:41 - Jun 27 by Churchman |
The defence was excellent last season. I’d leave it alone. If we do anything in that area, bring in an experienced back up, if we can find one with the right attitude.
A Hirst or Hurst replacement is the priority. |
With the exception of No 2 keeper (if Hladky goes) I can't see us bringing in any backups. Like the January window we'll be looking for upgrades on what we have.
None of our CBs have any real Championship experience and I'd be surprised if we got to the end of the window without strengthening here. | |
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| Centre Backs. on 09:01 - Jun 27 with 2841 views | Guthrum |
| Centre Backs. on 08:41 - Jun 27 by Churchman |
The defence was excellent last season. I’d leave it alone. If we do anything in that area, bring in an experienced back up, if we can find one with the right attitude.
A Hirst or Hurst replacement is the priority. |
The defence was excellent partly because it was so rarely under real pressure. I'm not sure we can guarantee keeping the ball in the opposition half of the pitch (except when we want to draw them forward by playing it around at the back) quite so consistently in the Championship. Indeed it was quite fragile on occasion when pressed.
It will be a much sterner test and things need to be looked at with that in mind. |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 09:24 - Jun 27 with 2762 views | Churchman |
| Centre Backs. on 09:01 - Jun 27 by Guthrum |
The defence was excellent partly because it was so rarely under real pressure. I'm not sure we can guarantee keeping the ball in the opposition half of the pitch (except when we want to draw them forward by playing it around at the back) quite so consistently in the Championship. Indeed it was quite fragile on occasion when pressed.
It will be a much sterner test and things need to be looked at with that in mind. |
The better teams will provide a much sterner test. The rest will of course be better than Accrington, FGR and co, but the Championship was never all that and isn’t now, from what I’ve seen of it last season.
Our team got considerably stronger in the last third of the season and I believe that a lot of the players were signed with Championship in mind, have a great unity and cohesion to them. I’d hate to see that disturbed too much and believe those players deserve their chance at a higher level.
I’m not underestimating the Championship, but the gap between it and the top of L1 is not the chasm that exists between the PL and Championship.
I’m probably, as usual, wrong but I stand by my opinion for the moment! | | | |
| Centre Backs. on 11:48 - Jun 27 with 2505 views | Naylorsrightboot |
| Centre Backs. on 08:41 - Jun 27 by Churchman |
The defence was excellent last season. I’d leave it alone. If we do anything in that area, bring in an experienced back up, if we can find one with the right attitude.
A Hirst or Hurst replacement is the priority. |
l dont think Burgess is good enough for this level and l worry about Wolfys concentration, he is too laid back at times,reminds me of Titus Bramble with his approach and look at the stick he used to get at times. |  | | |
| Centre Backs. on 11:58 - Jun 27 with 2453 views | itfcsuth |
I'm sure it is a position we are looking at.
However, Burgess stepped up his level last year when many thought he wasn't good enough. Woolfenden certainly a Championship CB and I think Edmundson is as well if I am being honest, before he went a little cold he was outstanding for us when KMc first came in.
I still think Sonny Bradley ticks every box for me - and a group of Woolfenden, Edmundson, Burgess & Bradley would be very good. |  | | |
| Centre Backs. on 12:12 - Jun 27 with 2391 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Centre Backs. on 11:58 - Jun 27 by itfcsuth |
I'm sure it is a position we are looking at.
However, Burgess stepped up his level last year when many thought he wasn't good enough. Woolfenden certainly a Championship CB and I think Edmundson is as well if I am being honest, before he went a little cold he was outstanding for us when KMc first came in.
I still think Sonny Bradley ticks every box for me - and a group of Woolfenden, Edmundson, Burgess & Bradley would be very good. |
Bradley brings good experience, but he's not an upgrade on Burgess at this stage imo and looks likely to end up in league one.
We need to be upgrading that LCB position imo. | |
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| Centre Backs. on 12:42 - Jun 27 with 2322 views | burnbudgiesburn |
The disrespect on Cam Burgess' name!
The lad was a monster in the air last season hardly losing a battle. And so improved on the ball I was never worried when he had it and he picked out some lovely long passes both left and right.
Can count on one hand the number of times he got turned last year, and there is no championship class defender who is 'flawless'
Deserves a chance to prove he can cut it for me. | | | |
| Centre Backs. on 12:45 - Jun 27 with 2299 views | chicoazul |
No. We will buy at least one top class centre back. |  |
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| Centre Backs. on 13:02 - Jun 27 with 2253 views | BigCommon |
Thought Burgess was our stand out CB last season. Got caught out a couple of times when players ran at him, but, imo, that was partly down to a lack of protection in front of him. Once Luongo came in and offered a bit more, Burgess was faultless...
I like Baggot. He's improved a lot imo. Had a really good loan spell at Gills, albeit in L2. He held his head and his game together, at a time when they were struggling. He could have easily caved in, but he was solid, and one of their standouts, first half of last season.
Didn't go great for him at Cheltenham, lack of minutes, and a bit of injury.. But played really well for Indonesia recently, against proper opposition..
He's composed on the ball, brave in defence, has leadership qualities. And is a massive goal threat in oppo boxes... I do wonder if he could be the perfect Left footed back up CB now. He last played first team for us, away at Rotherham, in a 1-1 , where he held his own. If hes not concidered by KM for us, this season. Then we should be looking to get him some decent minutes at a top end L1 side, at least, imo.. On top of all that, he comes across as very proffessional and low maintanence.
I'm quite surprised, that a lot of people are considering a LCB as a priority signing.Weve got 2 decent ones in the building. Perhaps if the right player became available, then wed have a go at signing him. But for me, its not a priority... Decent AM rotation/ cover for Broadhead, Chappers and Burns, and a couple of strikers, would be on my wish list, first. |  | | |
| Centre Backs. on 13:08 - Jun 27 with 2218 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Centre Backs. on 13:02 - Jun 27 by BigCommon |
Thought Burgess was our stand out CB last season. Got caught out a couple of times when players ran at him, but, imo, that was partly down to a lack of protection in front of him. Once Luongo came in and offered a bit more, Burgess was faultless...
I like Baggot. He's improved a lot imo. Had a really good loan spell at Gills, albeit in L2. He held his head and his game together, at a time when they were struggling. He could have easily caved in, but he was solid, and one of their standouts, first half of last season.
Didn't go great for him at Cheltenham, lack of minutes, and a bit of injury.. But played really well for Indonesia recently, against proper opposition..
He's composed on the ball, brave in defence, has leadership qualities. And is a massive goal threat in oppo boxes... I do wonder if he could be the perfect Left footed back up CB now. He last played first team for us, away at Rotherham, in a 1-1 , where he held his own. If hes not concidered by KM for us, this season. Then we should be looking to get him some decent minutes at a top end L1 side, at least, imo.. On top of all that, he comes across as very proffessional and low maintanence.
I'm quite surprised, that a lot of people are considering a LCB as a priority signing.Weve got 2 decent ones in the building. Perhaps if the right player became available, then wed have a go at signing him. But for me, its not a priority... Decent AM rotation/ cover for Broadhead, Chappers and Burns, and a couple of strikers, would be on my wish list, first. |
"Got caught out a couple of times when players ran at him, but, imo, that was partly down to a lack of protection in front of him. Once Luongo came in and offered a bit more, Burgess was faultless"
This is the concern though isn't it? Burgess is going to get isolated with some seriously talented ball carriers far more regularly. We were the quietest defence in the league by miles last season, we wont be this year. For all of Burgess' strengths, of which there are many and his dominance in the air and sheer strength is a great one to have. I think it is right to have some concerns with that side of his game. | |
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| Centre Backs. on 13:10 - Jun 27 with 2202 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
Very wishful thinking on my part but I’d love us to sign Matt Clarke and get another local lad back into the Town side. He’s still a good age and played plenty of championship football over last 4 years (exception being last season).. and he plays left side CB. Seems a good option if Broo are willing to listen to offers.
I do also think we could see another RB as well, though possibly a player that could play CB and RB would be my guess. Love Harry Clarke and JD but wouldn’t surprise me to see another body brought in to compete |  | | |
| Centre Backs. on 13:21 - Jun 27 with 2149 views | chicoazul |
| Centre Backs. on 13:10 - Jun 27 by King_of_Portman_Rd |
Very wishful thinking on my part but I’d love us to sign Matt Clarke and get another local lad back into the Town side. He’s still a good age and played plenty of championship football over last 4 years (exception being last season).. and he plays left side CB. Seems a good option if Broo are willing to listen to offers.
I do also think we could see another RB as well, though possibly a player that could play CB and RB would be my guess. Love Harry Clarke and JD but wouldn’t surprise me to see another body brought in to compete |
I want Matt Clarke back too. Very happy with our RB options though. HC is nailed on there for years now. | |
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| Centre Backs. on 13:24 - Jun 27 with 2138 views | Asa |
| Centre Backs. on 07:47 - Jun 27 by Herbivore |
Still think we'll see someone signed at CB. Burgess did well last season overall but I am not 100% convinced he'd do as well in the Championship. He got caught flat footed a few occasions last season and was punished a couple of times for it but got away with it on other occasions. I worry whether he is mobile enough for the step up and whether he's good enough on the ball in games that are likely to be tighter. If we end up with the same CB pairing as last season then I'm not going to be losing sleep over it, but we're light on numbers there now Keogh has gone and if we're going to need to sign someone then we may as well look for an upgrade. |
I absolutely love Burgess. Total warrior, so many wonderful displays, the way he came back from a horrific facial injury and just stuck his head back into danger and the incredible improvement in his passing from when we signed him to the end of last season.
That doesn't mean he's good enough to be a top half Championship centre back on a consistent level and I'd be surprised if we don't look to improve on him given we absolutely need another left sided centre back, so I can't see us having two that are top League One / bottom end Championship centre backs.
He may of course surprise us all and step up but can't see McKenna wanting to go half a season without a better option there in the simple hope that he can.
Burgess may have been awesome last season because he's genuinely become awesome. But he may also have looked awesome because we completely dominated everyone from January time and he had far less to do, against far more limited players than he will face next season. [Post edited 27 Jun 2023 13:29]
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| Centre Backs. on 13:26 - Jun 27 with 2130 views | BigCommon |
| Centre Backs. on 13:08 - Jun 27 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
"Got caught out a couple of times when players ran at him, but, imo, that was partly down to a lack of protection in front of him. Once Luongo came in and offered a bit more, Burgess was faultless"
This is the concern though isn't it? Burgess is going to get isolated with some seriously talented ball carriers far more regularly. We were the quietest defence in the league by miles last season, we wont be this year. For all of Burgess' strengths, of which there are many and his dominance in the air and sheer strength is a great one to have. I think it is right to have some concerns with that side of his game. |
I take your point. | | | |
| Centre Backs. on 13:33 - Jun 27 with 2082 views | jayessess |
| Centre Backs. on 12:42 - Jun 27 by burnbudgiesburn |
The disrespect on Cam Burgess' name!
The lad was a monster in the air last season hardly losing a battle. And so improved on the ball I was never worried when he had it and he picked out some lovely long passes both left and right.
Can count on one hand the number of times he got turned last year, and there is no championship class defender who is 'flawless'
Deserves a chance to prove he can cut it for me. |
He absolutely deserves that chance, anyone who was a mainstay during the long winning streak does.
But we've only got 3 centre backs, we're absolutely going to recruit another one of the highest possible standard. Burgess has earnt the right to compete with that new signing, but not a guarantee that he'll start ahead of him. |  |
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