| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance 22:03 - Jun 25 with 3338 views | britbiker |
But it's tough when the opposition has no intention of trying to move past the half way line.
Bit like when we were in div one and struggled to find a way past teams that were happy to achieve a nil nil draw.
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:05 - Jun 25 with 2972 views | TractorWood |
Tbf Slovenia offered zero threat. We didn't mix it up or stretch them enough. We didn't vary our tactics until 85th minute.
Bellingham and Kane really very poor tonight. |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:07 - Jun 25 with 2940 views | BloomBlue |
I think that's valid, as I said on another chat look how we struggled last season, QPR & Watford at home, when a team went 11 at the back to try and hit us on the break. |  | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:07 - Jun 25 with 2939 views | britbiker |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:05 - Jun 25 by TractorWood |
Tbf Slovenia offered zero threat. We didn't mix it up or stretch them enough. We didn't vary our tactics until 85th minute.
Bellingham and Kane really very poor tonight. |
Yeah. No one looking world class at this moment in time. | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:18 - Jun 25 with 2868 views | cressi |
Hardly playing a giant in football terms. This is the 3rd game in the tournament poor in all of them. Also poor in friendlies building up to the tournament. |  | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:21 - Jun 25 with 2828 views | FrimleyBlue |
Mckenna got burns to make deep runs and the same with davis and we hit the diags whilst filling the box with our 10s to get onto whipped low balls in.
Also. These are players on 100k a week. Not being able to find a way past a defending side is criminal for that level of player. Worse for a manager to not be able to crack the code either. |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:24 - Jun 25 with 2812 views | RobTheMonk |
I find it hard to defend a performance where our team and manager actively nullify any kind of attack we could potentially have down our left hand side. Slightly hamstrung by no left back, but come on, have a run at your fullback, overlap, put in a left footed cross even if it’s a crap one.
This might sound odd, but I irrationally hate that zip up t shirt Southgate wears too. |  | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:24 - Jun 25 with 2806 views | cressi |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:21 - Jun 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Mckenna got burns to make deep runs and the same with davis and we hit the diags whilst filling the box with our 10s to get onto whipped low balls in.
Also. These are players on 100k a week. Not being able to find a way past a defending side is criminal for that level of player. Worse for a manager to not be able to crack the code either. |
Southgate couldn't crack a walnut. | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:35 - Jun 25 with 2730 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:18 - Jun 25 by cressi |
Hardly playing a giant in football terms. This is the 3rd game in the tournament poor in all of them. Also poor in friendlies building up to the tournament. |
Those are the two key points.
Slovenia has a population lower than the Gaza Strip (2.1m)
This was not "just one of those days" for England - it's habit. It's the way we play. |  | | |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:35 - Jun 25 with 2728 views | britbiker |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:24 - Jun 25 by RobTheMonk |
I find it hard to defend a performance where our team and manager actively nullify any kind of attack we could potentially have down our left hand side. Slightly hamstrung by no left back, but come on, have a run at your fullback, overlap, put in a left footed cross even if it’s a crap one.
This might sound odd, but I irrationally hate that zip up t shirt Southgate wears too. |
Whilst on odd. I hate opposition fans that don't sing but just whistle all game when the other team has the ball | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 23:37 - Jun 25 with 2586 views | stonojnr |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:18 - Jun 25 by cressi |
Hardly playing a giant in football terms. This is the 3rd game in the tournament poor in all of them. Also poor in friendlies building up to the tournament. |
and yet still finished top of the group and into the knockout stages of another major tournament...
its like theres a big bit of collective not seeing the bigger picture going on at the moment, egged on by the media representation of the matches, because they largely suspect Southgate is on his way so they no longer have to be nice about him, which isnt helping.
yes England should play better than they have done, tbf I thought they were million times better than the first group game tonight, but you have to still be in it to win it, and England are with little effort, Italy were minutes away from going out last night, Scotland are on their way home, which team would you rather be ? | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 00:11 - Jun 26 with 2533 views | belgablue |
Was at the game and tend to agree. Probably could have been some variation earlier, but second half was better initially. Personally, I tonight it was a perfect game to rest Kane and Jude but otherwise I'm not too fussed. Let's kick on now. |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 05:11 - Jun 26 with 2443 views | MK1 |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:21 - Jun 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Mckenna got burns to make deep runs and the same with davis and we hit the diags whilst filling the box with our 10s to get onto whipped low balls in.
Also. These are players on 100k a week. Not being able to find a way past a defending side is criminal for that level of player. Worse for a manager to not be able to crack the code either. |
Yeah, Burns has been vital to the way we play. Think Palmer and Gordon will be our stars in the coming games. |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 06:16 - Jun 26 with 2393 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:07 - Jun 25 by BloomBlue |
I think that's valid, as I said on another chat look how we struggled last season, QPR & Watford at home, when a team went 11 at the back to try and hit us on the break. |
The QPR game we were missing several key players, a stronger lineup and we’d have broken them down no problem. Town basically played 21 low block teams in our League One campaign, and picked the lock virtually every time. Dynamic passing and moving.
England have scraped a measly two goals because there’s no movement off the ball, and they are literally walking it up the pitch. Even on the few occasions Slovenia attacked, we didn’t break quickly, walking forward, stop, pass sideways. Rinse and repeat.
A lot of the throughballs nobody even ran onto as they didn’t read it. They look like 11 strangers and that’s on the coach. Really poor stuff, I can only assume people give GS a lot of slack because he’s a nice bloke. Talented coach, he is not. | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 07:48 - Jun 26 with 2273 views | Europablue |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:18 - Jun 25 by cressi |
Hardly playing a giant in football terms. This is the 3rd game in the tournament poor in all of them. Also poor in friendlies building up to the tournament. |
That wasn't a bad performance, it was definitely better than the Denmark game. We looked better when we brought on players that all the fans have been saying that we should play. We got in good positions then every time there was a poor pass that meant the ball was intercepted, or we just lost momentum.
The problem is that Southgate didn't work out his team during the friendlies. | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 07:53 - Jun 26 with 2258 views | Europablue |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:24 - Jun 25 by cressi |
Southgate couldn't crack a walnut. |
It's a tough one, do we just get behind England, or do we hope to be humiliated in the next round forcing Southgate to resign so that we can have some joy in our international football again? | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 07:54 - Jun 26 with 2254 views | Herbivore |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 07:48 - Jun 26 by Europablue |
That wasn't a bad performance, it was definitely better than the Denmark game. We looked better when we brought on players that all the fans have been saying that we should play. We got in good positions then every time there was a poor pass that meant the ball was intercepted, or we just lost momentum.
The problem is that Southgate didn't work out his team during the friendlies. |
It was a bad performance. We mustered about one shot in the first half against a poor Slovenia side. Second half was better for the first and last ten minutes of it but in between was the same slow passing it around with no movement off the ball. Someone compared it to us under Mick last night, it's worse than that, it's us under Lambert. |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 07:55 - Jun 26 with 2242 views | Europablue |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 23:37 - Jun 25 by stonojnr |
and yet still finished top of the group and into the knockout stages of another major tournament...
its like theres a big bit of collective not seeing the bigger picture going on at the moment, egged on by the media representation of the matches, because they largely suspect Southgate is on his way so they no longer have to be nice about him, which isnt helping.
yes England should play better than they have done, tbf I thought they were million times better than the first group game tonight, but you have to still be in it to win it, and England are with little effort, Italy were minutes away from going out last night, Scotland are on their way home, which team would you rather be ? |
I'd prefer to be Italy who have a habit of being perennially poor, and yet have won a Euros and a World Cup during that period. | | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 07:58 - Jun 26 with 2232 views | StokieBlue |
Did we struggle though? We got 98 points and over 100 goals in a league where many teams were doing that against us.
Don't think Southgate should be getting any free points here.
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 08:04 - Jun 26 with 2195 views | bournemouthblue |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:24 - Jun 25 by RobTheMonk |
I find it hard to defend a performance where our team and manager actively nullify any kind of attack we could potentially have down our left hand side. Slightly hamstrung by no left back, but come on, have a run at your fullback, overlap, put in a left footed cross even if it’s a crap one.
This might sound odd, but I irrationally hate that zip up t shirt Southgate wears too. |
The no left back thing isn't an excuse for me, he could have easily picked a PL left back to back up Shaw
There were even calls to pick Leif Davis but that would have been nuts with no PL experience imho, even if he might prove to be the best English left back out there next season |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 08:05 - Jun 26 with 2189 views | WeWereZombies |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:35 - Jun 25 by britbiker |
Whilst on odd. I hate opposition fans that don't sing but just whistle all game when the other team has the ball |
Thoroughly agree with this point (although I think your OP is a bit askew, Slovenia had their moments and played with some organisation and composure) but are the England supporters who threw empty plastic cups at Southgate ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cw00y6x3j07o ) any better ?
For all of Scotland's shortcomings in this tournament I don't see similar sentiments towards Steve Clarke, even though his tactics were not dissimilar to Southgate's 'play for a result and damn the entertainment value.' |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 08:19 - Jun 26 with 2141 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It’s fashionable to blame Southgate as all the England players are all a class above anything in the known universe - but the fault for all the mind numbing tedium is the format of the overblown competition - too many meaningless games where 0-0 will do rather nicely and virtually everyone qualifies
Here in France there’s nowhere near as much hype (same with the election). Les bleus haven’t even threatened to get a goal from open play - but nobody cares overmuch. Only Spain and Germany have played well…. Netherlands, Belgium and Italy have looked rubbish too.
It’s pretty straightforward to win these events by scarcely winning a game - as Argentina showed at the World Cup | |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 08:25 - Jun 26 with 2109 views | Ftnfwest |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 07:55 - Jun 26 by Europablue |
I'd prefer to be Italy who have a habit of being perennially poor, and yet have won a Euros and a World Cup during that period. |
half way there, we're perennially poor already! |  | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 08:34 - Jun 26 with 2064 views | Churchman |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:35 - Jun 25 by Cafe_Newman |
Those are the two key points.
Slovenia has a population lower than the Gaza Strip (2.1m)
This was not "just one of those days" for England - it's habit. It's the way we play. |
Yep, it was normal for England. Same every game. There might be some decent individuals but they are a poor team. They look to literally have no idea what they are meant to be doing or where they are meant to be.
This side look lost so we are left hoping an individual will do something special. England’s group has been the weakest and with two goals in three games and the opposition keepers needing a deck chair and pina colada most of the time we’ve played our inept part. |  | | |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 08:35 - Jun 26 with 2062 views | Vic |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:18 - Jun 25 by cressi |
Hardly playing a giant in football terms. This is the 3rd game in the tournament poor in all of them. Also poor in friendlies building up to the tournament. |
And that part of the OP’s point isn’t it. It’s tough to play against vastly inferior teams for whom a draw is like a win and who therefore just set out to stop you playing. Town have consistently found this over the last few years, it’s why Prem teams often struggle against lowerdiv teams that everyone knows they should slaughter.
It was very telling last night how Slovenia celebrated at the final whistle - it was thier cup final and they got the result they wanted.
That said - we are so slow playing out from the back, so ponderous in our passing, devoid it seems of any system. It really is like the Lambert days of possession but no progression. |  |
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| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 08:49 - Jun 26 with 2023 views | GeoffSentence |
| Don't wish to defend another uninspiring performance on 22:24 - Jun 25 by RobTheMonk |
I find it hard to defend a performance where our team and manager actively nullify any kind of attack we could potentially have down our left hand side. Slightly hamstrung by no left back, but come on, have a run at your fullback, overlap, put in a left footed cross even if it’s a crap one.
This might sound odd, but I irrationally hate that zip up t shirt Southgate wears too. |
I was getting frustrated with Trippier, there were several occasions he got the ball on the left, with space in front of him and he turned back towards his own goal and passed it backwards. No desire to get forward at all. |  |
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