| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp 08:56 - Jul 1 with 5326 views | unstableblue |
And maybe something they can use to their advantage.
I think the usual England fan and English media frenzy has kicked in and I can’t remember it being so negative.
Yes of course we’ve looked disjointed and miles away from the pace and free flowing nature of Spain and Germany. But we are through. And I thought Slovakia came at us with a very good press and game plan, and as in the group games a very low block at times.
Clearly the players are feeling hard done by the media and home fans - and they’re creating that siege mentality that has served some teams well.
The team can only get better, and I think Mainoo and Rices improved form is something to build on. The Swiss may try and be more adventurous which may suit the team.
Maybe one more tweak in the front four needed.
The loss of Guehi is a blow, as he’s settled in well, and feels dependable.
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:03 - Jul 1 with 4204 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I'd argue that the expectation levels are generally low.
We just expected better than the performances we've had so far.
The pundits criticism has generally been constructive.
I think a false narrative is spreading within the camp.
But if a siege mentality helps, then great.
All top teams will be under the same pressure. |  |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:03 - Jul 1 with 4193 views | Asa |
Media seems to have a repeat pattern of destroying the players months leading up to a tournament to then 'back the boys' come kick off time. [Post edited 1 Jul 2024 9:05]
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:07 - Jul 1 with 4125 views | unstableblue |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:03 - Jul 1 by Asa |
Media seems to have a repeat pattern of destroying the players months leading up to a tournament to then 'back the boys' come kick off time. [Post edited 1 Jul 2024 9:05]
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If we play a blinder against the Swiss the whole narrative and mood will change
It’s the way it goes
But the performances have been way off the benchmark of the Spanish and Germans. Who as a few state don’t seem to feel the pressure in the same way as the England players. But maybe their home media are different?
I imagine the Italian media have slaughtered their team after a shocking performance to bow out. | |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:12 - Jul 1 with 4062 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Hi Gareth!
Only joking, but I do think you're clutching at straws somewhat and seem to be a bit of a cheerleader for England on here. I'm sorry, saying "But we are through" isn't good enough. "Slovakia came at us with a very good press and game plan" isn't good enough - they're 44th in the world.
We are through by the skin on the skin on the skin of our teeth. There's only so far you can go on luck and we've fluked our way through so far. Southgate needs to take the shackles off, play the most in-form players in their correct positions, and tell them to go for it. Or we will be out. At the moment, all this sideways/backwards nonsense reminds me of Ipswich under Lambert. The annoying thing is England do have the quality!
Also, if you can’t remember it being so negative you must have a very short memory. It's been like this - and worse - loads of times over the years. Bellingham can bleat all he wants but the public and the pundits are only saying what they see. Goal aside, he's been one of the poorest performers so far. Quit wingeing and up your game! |  |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:12 - Jul 1 with 4058 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:07 - Jul 1 by unstableblue |
If we play a blinder against the Swiss the whole narrative and mood will change
It’s the way it goes
But the performances have been way off the benchmark of the Spanish and Germans. Who as a few state don’t seem to feel the pressure in the same way as the England players. But maybe their home media are different?
I imagine the Italian media have slaughtered their team after a shocking performance to bow out. |
The team needs to put in a performance to lift the fans now.
I think we all want to get excited, as we did when the equaliser went in last night.
The reality is that it was our first shot on target.
On the flip side, if Kane had taken his two chances, and Foden stayed on side, the scoreline would have been far more flattering. | |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:16 - Jul 1 with 4002 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:12 - Jul 1 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The team needs to put in a performance to lift the fans now.
I think we all want to get excited, as we did when the equaliser went in last night.
The reality is that it was our first shot on target.
On the flip side, if Kane had taken his two chances, and Foden stayed on side, the scoreline would have been far more flattering. |
First shot on target is in the 95th minute... versus the team ranked 44th in the world. Shocking.
Spain, in contrast, had 32 shots and 13 on target by the 90th minute last night. | |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:22 - Jul 1 with 3911 views | _clive_baker_ |
Not sure why the England team think this is unique to them. Not that it makes it any easier, but the media and supporters expectations are nuts for just about all of the top footballing nations, and even some of the lesser ones.
Look if it helps cultivate some sort of 'them and us' culture that's positive then great, but frankly people have only commented on performances and are generally pretty objective. Full of praise for good ones, critical of dross that we've seen so far this Euros. Its a bit tone deaf to come out implying that people need to eat their words because we've scraped through a last 16 game. |  | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:31 - Jul 1 with 3805 views | davblue |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:03 - Jul 1 by Asa |
Media seems to have a repeat pattern of destroying the players months leading up to a tournament to then 'back the boys' come kick off time. [Post edited 1 Jul 2024 9:05]
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blaming the media is a diversion tactic and a cheap shot.
The media on the whole have been very supportive of this England group for the last 8 or so years (much of this has been down to Southgate).
They are reacting to what they are seeing on the pitch which has been utter dross and we've stunk the place out. They have deserved to be criticised and they should be in a non over the top way nor targeting certainly players of colour.
We play like a team from a lower division in a cup tie away to a big team, against middling to lower nations, it's not good enough, we look so far tactically behind the top teams it's unreal.
Even yesterday, getting those 2 goals were great moments, but what i saw in extra time was dreadful, just sitting deep inviting pressure, that's no way to win a tournament . |  | | |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:32 - Jul 1 with 3779 views | Ryorry |
“I think the usual England fan and English media frenzy has kicked in and I can’t remember it being so negative.”
Possibly because England’s performances in this tournament have been the most negative for some time? |  |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:36 - Jul 1 with 3734 views | Jon_456 |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:12 - Jul 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Hi Gareth!
Only joking, but I do think you're clutching at straws somewhat and seem to be a bit of a cheerleader for England on here. I'm sorry, saying "But we are through" isn't good enough. "Slovakia came at us with a very good press and game plan" isn't good enough - they're 44th in the world.
We are through by the skin on the skin on the skin of our teeth. There's only so far you can go on luck and we've fluked our way through so far. Southgate needs to take the shackles off, play the most in-form players in their correct positions, and tell them to go for it. Or we will be out. At the moment, all this sideways/backwards nonsense reminds me of Ipswich under Lambert. The annoying thing is England do have the quality!
Also, if you can’t remember it being so negative you must have a very short memory. It's been like this - and worse - loads of times over the years. Bellingham can bleat all he wants but the public and the pundits are only saying what they see. Goal aside, he's been one of the poorest performers so far. Quit wingeing and up your game! |
Exactly this.
The only thing that’s got us this far is simply the strength of our squad. As soon as we play a half decent team we’ll lose.. Most likely Switzerland on Saturday.
All I’d like to see is Gareth play players in their actual positions and maybe try and attack teams from time to time. | | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:03 - Jul 1 with 3582 views | Garv |
It's nice to see a united squad and one that will back themselves and the manager. Rice said post match they'd do everything they could to 'protect this manager which is commendable but more or less said everything you need to know.
If you believe what they say they must have a very tight knit squad and a good camp, which should be applauded.
Making it a siege mentality is a bit off though. Generally the criticism has been aimed entirely at the manager and his lack of ambition and tactical nous. Kane has had a bit off stick but again that's been entwined with how Southgate is using him. The players aren't copping that much.
And you can't argue with the criticism of Southgate based on how we've played. Fair play to him for continuing to believe 5 minutes into stoppage time that we'd get a goal, but blimey he was well and truly prepared to die wondering wasn't he? |  |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:05 - Jul 1 with 3552 views | MattinLondon |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 09:16 - Jul 1 by The_Flashing_Smile |
First shot on target is in the 95th minute... versus the team ranked 44th in the world. Shocking.
Spain, in contrast, had 32 shots and 13 on target by the 90th minute last night. |
Southgate probably watched the Spain v Georgia match and thought that the best way to beat them will be to play defensively, keep possession with a very very slow tempo. |  | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:08 - Jul 1 with 3537 views | chicoazul |
When he says the usual rubbish maybe he is referring to the different standards the black players in the squad are generally held to and the criticism they receive? |  |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:11 - Jul 1 with 3490 views | J2BLUE |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:08 - Jul 1 by chicoazul |
When he says the usual rubbish maybe he is referring to the different standards the black players in the squad are generally held to and the criticism they receive? |
Was waiting for you to try and shoehorn that one in. |  |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:12 - Jul 1 with 3467 views | WD19 |
They are totally gaslighting themselves.
There is an outside chance the togetherness works, but lack of honesty with yourself rarely helps in the long run. |  | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:13 - Jul 1 with 3452 views | chicoazul |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:11 - Jul 1 by J2BLUE |
Was waiting for you to try and shoehorn that one in. |
Don’t you think it’s a distinct possibility? Look at the way the press used images of Saka after the Iceland defeat. | |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:14 - Jul 1 with 3440 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:11 - Jul 1 by J2BLUE |
Was waiting for you to try and shoehorn that one in. |
I don’t get that - the most criticised England player of the tournament is Kane - by a country mile. | | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:17 - Jul 1 with 3385 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:08 - Jul 1 by chicoazul |
When he says the usual rubbish maybe he is referring to the different standards the black players in the squad are generally held to and the criticism they receive? |
As far as this tournament is concerned what I've generally heard and seen so far is:
- Southgate is the problem
- Kane is lazy / drops too deep / can't press effectively
- Why did we even take Shaw?
- Don't play Gallagher and Rice together
- Watkins and Toney should've been used more
- Mainoo has been a breath of fresh air
- POTT for us so far is Guehi
- Bellingham is the star and build the team around him
Not saying there's no prejudice historically by any stretch, but doesn't really ring true of the criticism this tournament. | | | |
| A report on Radio 4 this morning was key on 10:18 - Jul 1 with 3371 views | unstableblue |
It stated that on the pitch the players got a really good reception from the England fans… big rendition of Sweet Caroline and some bonding
Think this could be important | |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:23 - Jul 1 with 3341 views | pointofblue |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:14 - Jul 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t get that - the most criticised England player of the tournament is Kane - by a country mile. |
Closely followed by Foden, even though he's performed better than Bellingham since the Serbia game. | |
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| Kid needs to watch the games back if he thinks criticism has been unfair on 10:23 - Jul 1 with 3345 views | Dyland |
We've been boring and pretty rubbish. Aye, we've had to play against low blocks and oppo have been decent generally, despite rankings. Any notion we've not been pretty rubbish is delusional though. I haven't read any of the tabloid reviews so maybe there has been borderline abusive vitriol, and I'm sure there has been from fans on the socials. But nobody cares about what twots on twotter are saying, and if professional players or staff do they need to get a grip. The socials are sewers.
Brilliant goal, and kind of hilarious we got through (sorry Slovakia) but we've been spawny to get this far.
Southgate is tactically like McCarthy and Lambert combined. A dinosaur, to use the most obvious metaphor. Considering the tools, it's completely sh1t. |  |
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| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:29 - Jul 1 with 3297 views | Jon_456 |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:13 - Jul 1 by chicoazul |
Don’t you think it’s a distinct possibility? Look at the way the press used images of Saka after the Iceland defeat. |
I won’t deny the media part as I think it’s pretty clear with them.
However I haven’t come across a single opinion online or in person from England fans that confirms what you’re implying.
Haven’t seen anyone blame Saka or Guehi and if anything probably been our best performers so far. Most have been calling for Mainoo to play and for Toney and Watkins to be given a chance ahead of Kane.
The only criticism I’ve seen is of Bellingham and that’s because for someone who is supposed to be one the best midfielders in the world, so far he’s been pretty crap. | | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:49 - Jul 1 with 3185 views | davblue |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:14 - Jul 1 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t get that - the most criticised England player of the tournament is Kane - by a country mile. |
Kane has been better with his positioning in the last game and a half. Choosing better moments to drop deep rather than it being his positioning on the pitch for the majority of the game. | | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:50 - Jul 1 with 3173 views | WD19 |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 10:23 - Jul 1 by pointofblue |
Closely followed by Foden, even though he's performed better than Bellingham since the Serbia game. |
Trippier not far behind....... | | | |
| Siege mentality fully in place in the England camp on 12:18 - Jul 1 with 3001 views | brazil1982 |
In 1990, the press were calling "SEND THEM HOME!" after the group stage, and some disgraceful comments about Bobby Robson.*
We were poor until we played Germany.
In 1992 we were awful, really poor, far worse than this.
*I kept a scrapbook so have the evidence. |  | | |
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