| Not needing a striker 09:27 - Dec 22 with 3428 views | FrimleyBlue |
Seen in mentioned a couple of times but can't see it online as a quote.. is that something someone from the club has come out with or what someone outside the club has said we don't need.. |  |
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| Not needing a striker on 12:22 - Dec 22 with 2926 views | J2BLUE |
I wouldn't take much notice.
We clearly do need one and the club chased at least three different strikers in the summer including on deadline day so they agree we need one. |  |
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| Not needing a striker on 12:38 - Dec 22 with 2869 views | Whos_blue |
Mick Mills said something along these lines on RS after the match.
The context was that Hirst is reportedly close to a January return and that a deal for a striker may not be finalised until the end of the month, meaning we may end up with a surplus striker. |  |
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| Not needing a striker on 12:39 - Dec 22 with 2867 views | Churchman |
It came from Mick Mills on R Suffolk.
Paraphrasing he said that working on the basis the club will have two fit first line strikers in January you are looking at only about 16 games only before the seasons end. Even if you can find somebody suitable for back up it’ll cost the earth so is it worth it for potentially very few games, especially as that player has to be integrated into the squad. And there are other priorities such as a weak midfield.
That’s on memory of what was said so anyone else that heard it please correct me. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:31]
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| Not needing a striker on 12:48 - Dec 22 with 2819 views | bobbyramsey |
| Not needing a striker on 12:39 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
It came from Mick Mills on R Suffolk.
Paraphrasing he said that working on the basis the club will have two fit first line strikers in January you are looking at only about 16 games only before the seasons end. Even if you can find somebody suitable for back up it’ll cost the earth so is it worth it for potentially very few games, especially as that player has to be integrated into the squad. And there are other priorities such as a weak midfield.
That’s on memory of what was said so anyone else that heard it please correct me. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:31]
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That's ok until Hirst gets clattered again......
Still need decent back-up for " just in case." |  | | |
| Not needing a striker on 12:50 - Dec 22 with 2804 views | bournemouthblue |
| Not needing a striker on 12:39 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
It came from Mick Mills on R Suffolk.
Paraphrasing he said that working on the basis the club will have two fit first line strikers in January you are looking at only about 16 games only before the seasons end. Even if you can find somebody suitable for back up it’ll cost the earth so is it worth it for potentially very few games, especially as that player has to be integrated into the squad. And there are other priorities such as a weak midfield.
That’s on memory of what was said so anyone else that heard it please correct me. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:31]
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Backup is the wrong way to look at it, I always think you need variety in a strike force as well but the way modern football is, you need subs who can make just as vital a contribution
We had that in the Championship, I'm not convinced we have that in the Premier League as of yet
We have another window to trade up, wherever those positions ultimately are, they need to be making us better so even if we do go down, we are too good for the Championship
It's the most important window the club has faced for some time [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:32]
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| Not needing a striker on 13:06 - Dec 22 with 2719 views | Churchman |
| Not needing a striker on 12:50 - Dec 22 by bournemouthblue |
Backup is the wrong way to look at it, I always think you need variety in a strike force as well but the way modern football is, you need subs who can make just as vital a contribution
We had that in the Championship, I'm not convinced we have that in the Premier League as of yet
We have another window to trade up, wherever those positions ultimately are, they need to be making us better so even if we do go down, we are too good for the Championship
It's the most important window the club has faced for some time [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:32]
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Everyone wants strikers. So who? At what cost? What about our midfield? Wide right? Long term players or ‘do a job’ merchants? It’s a tough time to recruit and the club did outstanding on this past two seasons.
I think any recruitment has to be around potential and one eye on the Championship rather than ‘ready made’. One heck of a problem | | | |
| Not needing a striker on 13:11 - Dec 22 with 2700 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Not needing a striker on 12:48 - Dec 22 by bobbyramsey |
That's ok until Hirst gets clattered again......
Still need decent back-up for " just in case." |
Or somebody versatile who can play on the right as well as up front. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 13:19]
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| Not needing a striker on 13:16 - Dec 22 with 2648 views | textbackup |
| Not needing a striker on 12:48 - Dec 22 by bobbyramsey |
That's ok until Hirst gets clattered again......
Still need decent back-up for " just in case." |
I really like Hirst, but he’s had little to no PL football.
We should be aiming for someone that’s an upgrade on him. |  |
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| Not needing a striker on 13:17 - Dec 22 with 2637 views | itfc_bucks |
| Not needing a striker on 13:16 - Dec 22 by textbackup |
I really like Hirst, but he’s had little to no PL football.
We should be aiming for someone that’s an upgrade on him. |
This.
This with bright, blinking, bringing, blue bells on. |  | | |
| Not needing a striker on 13:23 - Dec 22 with 2594 views | Sharkey |
| Not needing a striker on 12:39 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
It came from Mick Mills on R Suffolk.
Paraphrasing he said that working on the basis the club will have two fit first line strikers in January you are looking at only about 16 games only before the seasons end. Even if you can find somebody suitable for back up it’ll cost the earth so is it worth it for potentially very few games, especially as that player has to be integrated into the squad. And there are other priorities such as a weak midfield.
That’s on memory of what was said so anyone else that heard it please correct me. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 23:31]
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That's exactly what be said.
(I listened all afternoon. I was a bit taken aback when Brenner Wooley said something like 'That's absolute rubbish, Ipswich', which is unusually strong wording for him!) |  | | |
| Not needing a striker on 15:12 - Dec 22 with 2402 views | strikalite |
| Not needing a striker on 13:16 - Dec 22 by textbackup |
I really like Hirst, but he’s had little to no PL football.
We should be aiming for someone that’s an upgrade on him. |
I bet they're absolutely kicking themselves even more so of late not getting Latte Lath over the line, pacy goal threat and ideal off the bench with half an hour to go, big upgrade on AAH and he could have gone out on loan too..
May still happen if we're say just 5 points adrift for example, though Mboro wouldn't want to sell obviously, but for us a great addition for next season if were to go down too.. |  | | |
| Not needing a striker on 16:10 - Dec 22 with 2303 views | nodge_blue |
| Not needing a striker on 12:48 - Dec 22 by bobbyramsey |
That's ok until Hirst gets clattered again......
Still need decent back-up for " just in case." |
Yeah thats where micks argument falls down. If Hirst is fit and stays fit then thats fine. But 2024 has been a disaster for him injury wise. Its a stretch to believe thats suddenly just behind him. Maybe his injuries are a sign his body cant cope with the training / game intensity. I feel we need another striker. |  |
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| Not needing a striker on 16:13 - Dec 22 with 2290 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Not needing a striker on 13:06 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
Everyone wants strikers. So who? At what cost? What about our midfield? Wide right? Long term players or ‘do a job’ merchants? It’s a tough time to recruit and the club did outstanding on this past two seasons.
I think any recruitment has to be around potential and one eye on the Championship rather than ‘ready made’. One heck of a problem |
Tbh from what we've seen of j clarke and the money spent. We poss could have kept sarmiento for less and had more for a striker and not been worse off. Could we even kept moore.... would that have made us worse off?
The muric, Hladky debate continues on too so that could be another 8 mill
15 mill cb is sat on the bench
Free agent rb on presumably big money not getting games.
Maybe stretching the striker budget might have been more prudent. We don't and won't know. But many are quick to say we've spent 100 mill and it hasn't touched the sides. But has that money been well spent? [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 16:15]
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| Not needing a striker on 17:18 - Dec 22 with 2174 views | bobbyramsey |
| Not needing a striker on 16:10 - Dec 22 by nodge_blue |
Yeah thats where micks argument falls down. If Hirst is fit and stays fit then thats fine. But 2024 has been a disaster for him injury wise. Its a stretch to believe thats suddenly just behind him. Maybe his injuries are a sign his body cant cope with the training / game intensity. I feel we need another striker. |
Indeed, we needed three strikers anyway but I now think that Hirst is a bit of a liability so maybe a further two.... unlikely I know but in the ideal world. | | | |
| Not needing a striker on 17:22 - Dec 22 with 2134 views | StokieBlue |
| Not needing a striker on 13:16 - Dec 22 by textbackup |
I really like Hirst, but he’s had little to no PL football.
We should be aiming for someone that’s an upgrade on him. |
Not really sure about this reasoning, it would mean that nobody who hasn't played in the PL could make the step up but we know that's not the case.
Maybe Hirst can't but I think he's looked decent in the few minutes he's had.
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| Not needing a striker on 19:55 - Dec 22 with 1932 views | hunty21 |
| Not needing a striker on 12:38 - Dec 22 by Whos_blue |
Mick Mills said something along these lines on RS after the match.
The context was that Hirst is reportedly close to a January return and that a deal for a striker may not be finalised until the end of the month, meaning we may end up with a surplus striker. |
If we had broja or had got someone else in we would have had that surplus striker for this very reason that hirst cannot play a whole season without an injury | | | |
| Not needing a striker on 20:17 - Dec 22 with 1877 views | mikeybloo88 |
If we don’t get another scoring striker then where will the goals come from because we sure as heck aren’t getting any from midfield and it’s not like we’re banging them in like Arsenal at set pieces.. an xG of 1 per game this season will not be enough if it continues |  | | |
| Not needing a striker on 20:41 - Dec 22 with 1818 views | Pique |
| Not needing a striker on 17:22 - Dec 22 by StokieBlue |
Not really sure about this reasoning, it would mean that nobody who hasn't played in the PL could make the step up but we know that's not the case.
Maybe Hirst can't but I think he's looked decent in the few minutes he's had.
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I think Hirst is definitely good enough for the Premier League and has shown that in the little time he's had. He's a very good player and young enough to make the step up.
But Mick Mills is wrong. We can't rely on Hirst staying fit once he's back, and the way we play means we need options in that central striker role. It may be for 'only' 16 games, but that's almost half a season in the Premier League (and it could be more if we get anywhere in the FA Cup).
The real question is whether we'll be able to loan out Al-Hamadi given he clearly isn't fit enough to complete a full game. |  | | |
| Not needing a striker on 21:39 - Dec 22 with 1733 views | Libero |
| Not needing a striker on 13:16 - Dec 22 by textbackup |
I really like Hirst, but he’s had little to no PL football.
We should be aiming for someone that’s an upgrade on him. |
Agreed on both accounts- as I see it, Hirst should be that 3rd option! |  | | |
| Not needing a striker on 21:41 - Dec 22 with 1723 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Not needing a striker on 21:39 - Dec 22 by Libero |
Agreed on both accounts- as I see it, Hirst should be that 3rd option! |
We need an ings/wood type forward in there I think.
Not saying those specific players obv. But someone with experience.
I'm all for another striker aswell. But feels like we need a bulldozer uptop. | |
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| Not needing a striker on 22:49 - Dec 22 with 1626 views | Libero |
| Not needing a striker on 21:41 - Dec 22 by FrimleyBlue |
We need an ings/wood type forward in there I think.
Not saying those specific players obv. But someone with experience.
I'm all for another striker aswell. But feels like we need a bulldozer uptop. |
I think that’s the exact type we already have-
I’d be more interested in if we were able to get in pacey advanced forward who plays on the shoulder of the last man- with premier league experience, preferably, although that may be a bit much to ask. | | | |
| Not needing a striker on 22:53 - Dec 22 with 1612 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Not needing a striker on 22:49 - Dec 22 by Libero |
I think that’s the exact type we already have-
I’d be more interested in if we were able to get in pacey advanced forward who plays on the shoulder of the last man- with premier league experience, preferably, although that may be a bit much to ask. |
Not experienced tho. Appreciate its not an easy target. But someone who knows when to do things when not too. How best to gain an inch.
With delap it's all a learning game. He's not played against these defenders. He's a battering ram alright but it's using it smartly and gaining that advantage. If we get better more creative midfielders in I agree with your target but we don't create much as in through balls etc so a pacey striker for me is a bit worthless as we just can't put that ball in to make it worthwhile.
3 times in the first half yesterday Sammy made a run on the shoulder. Hutch. Chappers then morsy didn't see it and played It safe.. if any of those start spaying balls in behind the lines. Then a nice pacy player Is perfect.
( chappers did manage one to Sammy from about 20 yards but Sammy was offside) [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 22:57]
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| Not needing a striker on 23:37 - Dec 22 with 1515 views | bournemouthblue |
| Not needing a striker on 13:06 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
Everyone wants strikers. So who? At what cost? What about our midfield? Wide right? Long term players or ‘do a job’ merchants? It’s a tough time to recruit and the club did outstanding on this past two seasons.
I think any recruitment has to be around potential and one eye on the Championship rather than ‘ready made’. One heck of a problem |
That's not my job to say, clearly we have a model for what we want, we should know who we want by now, given the failures to land that main striker in the last window
The flaw in the strategy to some extent is the lack overseas gems being brought in at a better value, in part because we don't have an overly extensive overseas scouting network, a symptom of the Evans Death by a thousand cuts | |
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| Not needing a striker on 23:39 - Dec 22 with 1507 views | bournemouthblue |
| Not needing a striker on 13:11 - Dec 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Or somebody versatile who can play on the right as well as up front. [Post edited 22 Dec 2024 13:19]
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Delap can actually play on the wing himself but we haven't really had the luxury to try that one out
I do wonder if we had got Ionidis as an example, whether that might have been the way we went | |
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| Not needing a striker on 23:40 - Dec 22 with 1504 views | Churchman |
| Not needing a striker on 20:17 - Dec 22 by mikeybloo88 |
If we don’t get another scoring striker then where will the goals come from because we sure as heck aren’t getting any from midfield and it’s not like we’re banging them in like Arsenal at set pieces.. an xG of 1 per game this season will not be enough if it continues |
I think that’s Mills’ point. The forwards actually are making opportunities. The midfield is weak. Given resources are finite, which way do you go? Mills didn’t know, but he made an interesting discussion point. The majority view on here seems to be that our appearance record holder and ex-England international talking out of his rear end.
Fair enough, it’s all about opinions. | | | |
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