| The Classic Ashton thread 15:32 - Jun 19 with 3860 views | waveneyblue |
Utterly depressing how everything this bloke does is picked apart by the usual posters who still consider him the devil incarnate.
I still maintain that any sane fan would have taken the last 4 years warts and all for whats been achieved, but this bunch just wont let it go.
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:37 - Jun 19 with 2517 views | Benters |
Well said and spot on buh! |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:39 - Jun 19 with 2500 views | solemio |
If waveneyblue and Benters agree it must surely be right. |  | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:41 - Jun 19 with 2480 views | Benters |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:39 - Jun 19 by solemio |
If waveneyblue and Benters agree it must surely be right. |
This. | |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:42 - Jun 19 with 2473 views | FrimleyBlue |
There are some that dont like him. Some that do.
Whats the issue? |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:45 - Jun 19 with 2457 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I have been consistent all along.
I think he's good at his job, but I don't like his David Brent style, and I don't like the way he lied to / gaslit the fans.
Its OK to disagree. |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:52 - Jun 19 with 2365 views | Dubtractor |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:45 - Jun 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I have been consistent all along.
I think he's good at his job, but I don't like his David Brent style, and I don't like the way he lied to / gaslit the fans.
Its OK to disagree. |
This. It is possible to hold the view thst he is good at his job AND a bit of a nob. |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:53 - Jun 19 with 2344 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:52 - Jun 19 by Dubtractor |
This. It is possible to hold the view thst he is good at his job AND a bit of a nob. |
And it was only spoken of because he was in todays news. | |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:53 - Jun 19 with 2343 views | bsw72 |
I wouldn't worry about it, people are entitled to their views, doubt the words written on here have any impact on him, and he will measure his success on his and the clubs performance.
As long as his paymasters are happy with his work and he is achieving the goals set out, that is will be the benchmark of success, and hopefully things like the training ground and PR developments will be a long lasting benefit for the club long after he has moved on.
He lost a lot of respect and trust around the whole Farage thing, nothing will change that now and people who were unsure or already disliked him will use that as a stick to beat him going forward. I don't get it, but if others feel that strongly it's up to them. |  | | |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:54 - Jun 19 with 2327 views | lowhouseblue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:52 - Jun 19 by Dubtractor |
This. It is possible to hold the view thst he is good at his job AND a bit of a nob. |
and since i don't have to spend time with him i only care about the first bit. |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:54 - Jun 19 with 2323 views | bsw72 |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:52 - Jun 19 by Dubtractor |
This. It is possible to hold the view thst he is good at his job AND a bit of a nob. |
There's a T-Shirt business in that slogan somewhere:
"good at his job AND a bit of a nob" | | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:55 - Jun 19 with 2312 views | J2BLUE |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:45 - Jun 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I have been consistent all along.
I think he's good at his job, but I don't like his David Brent style, and I don't like the way he lied to / gaslit the fans.
Its OK to disagree. |
Who cares though? He can't do or say anything without people trying to twist it. If people said I think he's a tw@t then fine but when everything he does gets a negative reaction it gets old quickly.
We want him to be competent. I don't really care how he speaks or if he has an ego. Show me a CEO who isn't that type. |  | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:59 - Jun 19 with 2269 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:55 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
Who cares though? He can't do or say anything without people trying to twist it. If people said I think he's a tw@t then fine but when everything he does gets a negative reaction it gets old quickly.
We want him to be competent. I don't really care how he speaks or if he has an ego. Show me a CEO who isn't that type. |
Just responding to the OP. Gave my view on things. Chill out dude.
Its OK to disagree. [Post edited 19 Jun 15:59]
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:04 - Jun 19 with 2198 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:52 - Jun 19 by Dubtractor |
This. It is possible to hold the view thst he is good at his job AND a bit of a nob. |
Agree.
But picking his every sentence apart? To be honest, that says more about the people who do it, rather than Ashton. | | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:05 - Jun 19 with 2180 views | burnbudgiesburn |
I want my CEO to be driven, quite honestly he's done remarkable things here. I can put up with any little brentism and quirks he has.
I agree that picking up on any little manner of speech to beat him over is pathetic - perhaps we should have a 95 page Ashton thread to rival the one on the Bristol forum so those who post this dribble can knock themselves out?
That said, for such an on it guy I was amazed at the mess he allowed around the whole Farage thing. I also think whilst he has done an amazing job having a seperate chairman as calming old head would have prevented that from even happening in the first place. | | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:10 - Jun 19 with 2136 views | mutters |
Personally the only issue I've ever had with the chap is that he loves to put himself on the stage and front and center of whatever town does. I don't know any other CEO/Chairman that does that. Thats more down to my experience that most people I've met who love to be the center of attention are normally absolute kn0bs.
Aside from that I am very happy and appreciative of the job he does. He has done very well for Town overall and really doesn't deserve some of the cr@p he gets. But hey everyone is entitled to their own thoughts |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:11 - Jun 19 with 2124 views | Horsham |
It’s not totally one thing or the other for me.
He’s done extraordinarily well commercially which is a massive tick. That’s a huge part of his job.
Under his stewardship we’re starting next season in the premier league. Massive tick.
The Farage stuff showed a real lack of judgment and leaves a black mark. Regardless of your politics you just have to accept that it’s extremely divisive. Don’t do that again Mark.
I’ve got some concerns that O’Leary wasn’t replaced and also on the player recruitment for the last 2 seasons we’ve not been as effective as maybe we should. I’m not sure how much influence he has over that but I’m hoping we’ve now recruited the right level of expertise.
As for potentially him appointing Gary O’Neil…it doesn’t send my pulse racing but I can see the logic of being pragmatic at this point…so it might not be such a bad appointment as people are making out.
Some very good things he’s done. He grates on me a bit I admit but overall he’s done a better than decent job (and yes I’ve softened my view over time since the Farage thing) |  | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:16 - Jun 19 with 2081 views | NederlandseBlue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 15:55 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
Who cares though? He can't do or say anything without people trying to twist it. If people said I think he's a tw@t then fine but when everything he does gets a negative reaction it gets old quickly.
We want him to be competent. I don't really care how he speaks or if he has an ego. Show me a CEO who isn't that type. |
CEO competence includes not disrupting critical moments in the year, when he created disharmony among the staff and players during the run in. Competence includes not upsetting commercial partners, like the club's sponsors. Competence includes not lying to "customers" (urgh). Competence also means having contingency plans, which he claimed he had ready.
He has improved the professionalisation of the club's operations and overseen a number of successful building projects. Commercial revenues (excluding transfer dealings and TV money) have not improved much but are slowly trending in the right direction. He did incredibly well to appoint Kieran.
Both things can be true. | |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:39 - Jun 19 with 1975 views | BelsteadCav |
They can’t help themselves
We could qualify for Europe, Build the new stand and they’d still find something to have a go at Ashton |  |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:50 - Jun 19 with 1940 views | le2blue |
Just to clarify, I was not criticising him at all, it just amused me that he said he'd told his team to shield him from it, then said they'd told him about it.
Met him lots, think he has done a wonderful job, and long may it continue. Won't mention him again. |  | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:51 - Jun 19 with 1921 views | BloomBlue |
I find it really annoying some still keep talking about he has full control over everything at the club, ffs we have owners, they have control over the club. Why people don't understand how a company works is beyond me.
People also need to accept the owners brought him into the club to bring success, we've had 3 promotions - they will see that as success. But still not good enough for a lot of fans.
Trouble is too many fans think they're experts on everything football club related because when they were 6 they cleverly scored a goal straight through their Granddad legs. Unaware that Granddad deliberately stood with his legs wide apart to let them score. |  | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:52 - Jun 19 with 1898 views | andyblue231 |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:51 - Jun 19 by BloomBlue |
I find it really annoying some still keep talking about he has full control over everything at the club, ffs we have owners, they have control over the club. Why people don't understand how a company works is beyond me.
People also need to accept the owners brought him into the club to bring success, we've had 3 promotions - they will see that as success. But still not good enough for a lot of fans.
Trouble is too many fans think they're experts on everything football club related because when they were 6 they cleverly scored a goal straight through their Granddad legs. Unaware that Granddad deliberately stood with his legs wide apart to let them score. |
Why don’t we have a separately chairman? What’s the advantage of consolidating the position? | | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:53 - Jun 19 with 1885 views | backwaywhen |
Storm in a tea cup . | | | |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 17:13 - Jun 19 with 1763 views | FlittonBlue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:52 - Jun 19 by andyblue231 |
Why don’t we have a separately chairman? What’s the advantage of consolidating the position? |
Currently since that was done we have been promoted to the Premier League, but we didnt win the Championship or any of the cups we entered, so all in all, no advantage whatsoever | |
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 17:27 - Jun 19 with 1656 views | rkc123 |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 16:51 - Jun 19 by BloomBlue |
I find it really annoying some still keep talking about he has full control over everything at the club, ffs we have owners, they have control over the club. Why people don't understand how a company works is beyond me.
People also need to accept the owners brought him into the club to bring success, we've had 3 promotions - they will see that as success. But still not good enough for a lot of fans.
Trouble is too many fans think they're experts on everything football club related because when they were 6 they cleverly scored a goal straight through their Granddad legs. Unaware that Granddad deliberately stood with his legs wide apart to let them score. |
I think the picking apart of every twitch of an eyebrow or whatever in an interview becomes a bit tiring, but the suggestion that because we have owners he can't be in full control of the day to day running of the club is naïve to say the least.
Tyrannical managers exist in many workplaces, and they don't have to be at the top to exert unfettered power, they just have to ensure there is no way for those below them to communicate to those above them, so their voice is the only one heard. I would say from what we see, and anecdotal bits and pieces from people within the club, Ashton has that structure in place. It doesn't mean he can't be good at his job, but I think it will be very interesting to see how the appointment of a new manager goes, and how that new relationship works. When there is success in an organisation it is hard to put a finger on what causes it, undoubtedly Ashton is part of that, but how big of a part was him and how much was McKenna will likely become more apparent in the coming months and years. [Post edited 19 Jun 17:28]
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| The Classic Ashton thread on 17:32 - Jun 19 with 1616 views | FlittonBlue |
| The Classic Ashton thread on 17:27 - Jun 19 by rkc123 |
I think the picking apart of every twitch of an eyebrow or whatever in an interview becomes a bit tiring, but the suggestion that because we have owners he can't be in full control of the day to day running of the club is naïve to say the least.
Tyrannical managers exist in many workplaces, and they don't have to be at the top to exert unfettered power, they just have to ensure there is no way for those below them to communicate to those above them, so their voice is the only one heard. I would say from what we see, and anecdotal bits and pieces from people within the club, Ashton has that structure in place. It doesn't mean he can't be good at his job, but I think it will be very interesting to see how the appointment of a new manager goes, and how that new relationship works. When there is success in an organisation it is hard to put a finger on what causes it, undoubtedly Ashton is part of that, but how big of a part was him and how much was McKenna will likely become more apparent in the coming months and years. [Post edited 19 Jun 17:28]
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I would be shocked (and pleasantly pleased) if we have success this season, but if we do it wouldnt be significantly down to Ashton, like if we fail it wouldnt be significantly down to Ashton. However, we know the narrative by now, and it aint changing, if anything being in the big league and (likely) being hammered every week (like 2 years ago) the toxicitiy will be dialed up towards Ashton - it will add to certain types feelings of...well you know... | |
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