| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... 12:11 - Jul 2 with 5932 views | ElderGrizzly |
Starkey’s take on slavery and genocide.
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:12 - Jul 2 with 3152 views | Mullet |
Bit right wing innit |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:16 - Jul 2 with 3135 views | ElderGrizzly |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:12 - Jul 2 by Mullet |
Bit right wing innit |
A bit like this
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:21 - Jul 2 with 3093 views | JakeITFC |
Hopefully that's him thrown in the bin then. |  | | |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:25 - Jul 2 with 3073 views | Enigma_Blue |
That's a bit like claiming the Holocaust didn't happen due to the fact there are so many Jews in the world. |  | | |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:28 - Jul 2 with 3046 views | itfcjoe |
Another one that has lost the plot over Brexit |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:40 - Jul 2 with 2993 views | ElderGrizzly |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:28 - Jul 2 by itfcjoe |
Another one that has lost the plot over Brexit |
He has been like this for years. Mrs G’s dad was head of History at Brighton College and has a hatred of him from a professional viewpoint. How DS calls himself a historian is beyond him. | | | |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:45 - Jul 2 with 2945 views | footers |
Erdogan should hire him to confirm the Armenian genocide never happened too.
What a racist plank. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:48 - Jul 2 with 2931 views | giant_stow |
splutter what?!
bye bye career. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 13:17 - Jul 2 with 2797 views | factual_blue |
I don't know why they've put historian in inverted commas. Starkey had a long career as an academic.
And to the extent that 'genocide' is a pejorative thrown around willy-nilly, he's correct.
18th century British slavery was systematic and harsh exploitation, not systematic murder of people of a particular colour, nation or creed. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 13:17 - Jul 2 with 2796 views | LankHenners |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:16 - Jul 2 by ElderGrizzly |
A bit like this
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I loathe to say anything that comes close to a defence of the tw@t but a lot of people are getting excited about this when various US military insignia, among other things, carries the eagle (the US national symbol after all) in this position.
As for Starkey, not really surprising, unfortunately, that he has this view, and arguably less surprising to see Darren Grimes nodding in agreement with it. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 13:24 - Jul 2 with 2748 views | NthQldITFC |
Always looks to me like he's just been pulled out of his burrow by the snout. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 13:27 - Jul 2 with 2730 views | bournemouthblue |
Starkey has always been a buffoon, nothing here surprises me |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 13:45 - Jul 2 with 2634 views | Swansea_Blue |
DBLM |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 14:46 - Jul 2 with 2527 views | WeWereZombies |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 13:17 - Jul 2 by factual_blue |
I don't know why they've put historian in inverted commas. Starkey had a long career as an academic.
And to the extent that 'genocide' is a pejorative thrown around willy-nilly, he's correct.
18th century British slavery was systematic and harsh exploitation, not systematic murder of people of a particular colour, nation or creed. |
I remember hearing a snippet on BBC Radio Four some years back that suggested Irish immigrants on Liverpool docks looked longingly at black slaves because the latter were guaranteed food and bedding. Probably bunkum when you consider that transportation from West Africa to the southern states of America or to the Caribbean is unlikely to involve a stop off in Liverpool. But the premise that slaves survived because they had value, it was worthwhile to keep them in good order to maintain that value, and if you could get them to breed then you increased your stock and therefore the value of your chattels. That's capitalism.
I have not found a reliable reference for this but I did come across this interesting update on a point of controversy that makes fascinating reading:
https://www.historyireland.com/volume-25/issue-4-julyaugust-2017/features-issue- |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 15:07 - Jul 2 with 2475 views | Clapham_Junction |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:48 - Jul 2 by giant_stow |
splutter what?!
bye bye career. |
I doubt it will stop him getting invited onto QT, Newsnight etc regularly.
LBC might even offer him his own show. |  | | |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 15:46 - Jul 2 with 2410 views | brazil1982 |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 14:46 - Jul 2 by WeWereZombies |
I remember hearing a snippet on BBC Radio Four some years back that suggested Irish immigrants on Liverpool docks looked longingly at black slaves because the latter were guaranteed food and bedding. Probably bunkum when you consider that transportation from West Africa to the southern states of America or to the Caribbean is unlikely to involve a stop off in Liverpool. But the premise that slaves survived because they had value, it was worthwhile to keep them in good order to maintain that value, and if you could get them to breed then you increased your stock and therefore the value of your chattels. That's capitalism.
I have not found a reliable reference for this but I did come across this interesting update on a point of controversy that makes fascinating reading:
https://www.historyireland.com/volume-25/issue-4-julyaugust-2017/features-issue- |
Ships with slaves did not dock in the UK - sailed from Western Africa to the destination. |  | | |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 16:10 - Jul 2 with 2367 views | tractordownsouth |
Hopefully that'll be Darren Grimes consigned to the political rubbish bin.
Shame that won't happen |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 16:23 - Jul 2 with 2348 views | Swansea_Blue |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 15:46 - Jul 2 by brazil1982 |
Ships with slaves did not dock in the UK - sailed from Western Africa to the destination. |
I think we did transport some here as there was a trade in slaves in the UK, London especially, but the numbers were relatively low compared to those shipped across the channel directly to the Americas. That's the end of my knowledge though! | |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 16:50 - Jul 2 with 2304 views | Clapham_Junction |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 16:23 - Jul 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I think we did transport some here as there was a trade in slaves in the UK, London especially, but the numbers were relatively low compared to those shipped across the channel directly to the Americas. That's the end of my knowledge though! |
Some interesting material on Liverpool Museums website:
Many of the ports have stories about the slave trade passed on by word of mouth and in popular histories. Liverpudlians are very familiar with the stories of tunnels under the city for transporting slaves between the docks and the town and the cellars where they are said to have been kept and shackled. But one can find similar tales of tunnels and cellars in Bristol and in Nantes. Perhaps more surprisingly, there are stories of slaves being kept in the cellars of isolated farmhouses in Morecambe Bay and working in the local quarries - a reflection of Lancaster’s brief foray into the trade.
https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ports-of-transatlantic-slave-trade | | | |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 17:05 - Jul 2 with 2278 views | Swansea_Blue |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 16:50 - Jul 2 by Clapham_Junction |
Some interesting material on Liverpool Museums website:
Many of the ports have stories about the slave trade passed on by word of mouth and in popular histories. Liverpudlians are very familiar with the stories of tunnels under the city for transporting slaves between the docks and the town and the cellars where they are said to have been kept and shackled. But one can find similar tales of tunnels and cellars in Bristol and in Nantes. Perhaps more surprisingly, there are stories of slaves being kept in the cellars of isolated farmhouses in Morecambe Bay and working in the local quarries - a reflection of Lancaster’s brief foray into the trade.
https://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/ports-of-transatlantic-slave-trade |
That's an interesting read thanks. My knowledge about this is pretty limited to reading Roots when I was a lot younger! | |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 17:41 - Jul 2 with 2202 views | Darth_Koont |
Answer: Because our media has little to no standards left. Journalistic or moral. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 17:45 - Jul 2 with 2184 views | matteoblue |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 13:17 - Jul 2 by factual_blue |
I don't know why they've put historian in inverted commas. Starkey had a long career as an academic.
And to the extent that 'genocide' is a pejorative thrown around willy-nilly, he's correct.
18th century British slavery was systematic and harsh exploitation, not systematic murder of people of a particular colour, nation or creed. |
Yes that's correct, it is very silly to try and cheapen the word 'genocide' when it is something that seriously damages or wipes out an entire race of people. Starkey is just stating facts here, but what is interesting is attempts by people who want people silenced who are merely voicing intelligent opinions. It was mentioned on this thread that it could be said that there are plenty of Jews around so how could there be a genocide. Well that's really not the case. There were over 16 million Jews in Europe before WW2, and now about 1 million. So it really cannot be compared to a comment like that. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 17:50 - Jul 2 with 2165 views | Ryorry |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 17:45 - Jul 2 by matteoblue |
Yes that's correct, it is very silly to try and cheapen the word 'genocide' when it is something that seriously damages or wipes out an entire race of people. Starkey is just stating facts here, but what is interesting is attempts by people who want people silenced who are merely voicing intelligent opinions. It was mentioned on this thread that it could be said that there are plenty of Jews around so how could there be a genocide. Well that's really not the case. There were over 16 million Jews in Europe before WW2, and now about 1 million. So it really cannot be compared to a comment like that. |
He's not just stating facts though is he.
"Damn blacks" is a jaw-dropping give-away re his underlying racist attitude. |  |
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 18:01 - Jul 2 with 2125 views | ElderGrizzly |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 12:48 - Jul 2 by giant_stow |
splutter what?!
bye bye career. |
It’s a start anyway
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| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 18:23 - Jul 2 with 2072 views | lightuser |
| David Starkey - there wouldn't be so many damn blacks... on 16:23 - Jul 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I think we did transport some here as there was a trade in slaves in the UK, London especially, but the numbers were relatively low compared to those shipped across the channel directly to the Americas. That's the end of my knowledge though! |
Look up the trade winds. England was perfectly positioned in the "triangle" to get the return shipments of cotton, sugar and tobacco from the Caribbean/New World.. | | | |
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