| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… 21:58 - Jun 18 with 2920 views | hoppy |
To try to finish second in the group? |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:00 - Jun 18 with 2486 views | chrismakin |
Just posted that myself. Definately not out the question is it. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:03 - Jun 18 with 2468 views | MerseyBlue |
I think you have to question that based on the second half, I didn't see much desire to win on our end. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:04 - Jun 18 with 2455 views | bazza |
This crossed my mind.. 1st and 2nd potentially Spain Germany France or Portugal.. but we were so bad, finishing 4th you go home 😂 |  | | |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:08 - Jun 18 with 2406 views | bazza |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:04 - Jun 18 by bazza |
This crossed my mind.. 1st and 2nd potentially Spain Germany France or Portugal.. but we were so bad, finishing 4th you go home 😂 |
If you get through in 3rd Italy.. | | | |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:34 - Jun 18 with 2349 views | The_Last_Baron |
England could finish second and end up playing Spain. If they lose to the Czechs, which wouldn't surprise me, they could finish 3rd and face a top side. Win the game and take on whoever you face. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:37 - Jun 18 with 2338 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No, we were just a bit cr*p |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:51 - Jun 18 with 2293 views | eireblue |
Maybe, Southgate was concerned about the match getting into a blood and guts derby style game.
So ahead of the game he may have been focusing the players on staying calm and keeping in control of themselves.
That lead to a lack of sufficient intensity, against a Scotland team that did play well. |  | | |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:55 - Jun 18 with 2277 views | Churchman |
The idea of Southgate even knowing what a plan is seems pretty far fetched to me. No, he’s just cr@p and so are they - as usual. |  | | |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 23:08 - Jun 18 with 2244 views | Superblue95 |
If we wanted to finish second it would have made more sense to win today then throw our result against the Czechs.
We just played crap |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 23:24 - Jun 18 with 2199 views | mylittletown |
No Scotland played quite well, and we played quite poorly.
Southgate does not have that degree of control over individual performances!
(Having said that our lack of ambition and wit in the second half was depressing.) |  | | |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 23:25 - Jun 18 with 2189 views | TractorWood |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:34 - Jun 18 by The_Last_Baron |
England could finish second and end up playing Spain. If they lose to the Czechs, which wouldn't surprise me, they could finish 3rd and face a top side. Win the game and take on whoever you face. |
This is my concern. Although that Spain team looks pretty pedestrian. That was always the great thing about the Euros. Nowhere to hide because it's rammed with amazing teams. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 23:42 - Jun 18 with 2158 views | textbackup |
call me a knob, but surely if he wants to finish 2nd he'd have gone all out to beat local rivals and install pride, then change entire 11 in final game and accidently lose that.... Czech finish on 7, we finish on 6.....
that way everyone is buzzing still...… now we have it all to do, heaping pressure |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 23:48 - Jun 18 with 2133 views | XYZ |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 22:55 - Jun 18 by Churchman |
The idea of Southgate even knowing what a plan is seems pretty far fetched to me. No, he’s just cr@p and so are they - as usual. |
... the only non-town manager to take England to a WC semi? |  | | |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 01:40 - Jun 19 with 2035 views | J2BLUE |
It's such a stupid question. No offence etc. I can't believe so many people think Southgate actually planned not to beat Scotland. You might be joking but many aren't. The idea he deliberately set out not to beat Scotland is just ludicrous. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 02:17 - Jun 19 with 2004 views | pointofblue |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 23:48 - Jun 18 by XYZ |
... the only non-town manager to take England to a WC semi? |
I know I might be being unfair but, to me, that success in 2018 is blown out of proportion. It took an injury time winner to overcome Tunisia, we were beaten by Belgium twice plus Croatia and needed penalties to defeat Colombia. We played seven matches and lost three of them.
More recently we lost at Wembley to Denmark and away in Prague whilst limping past a Poland side without Lewandowski. Southgate has struggled and seemingly is still struggling on how to harness the raw attacking talent we have available to us. | |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 07:35 - Jun 19 with 1820 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 02:17 - Jun 19 by pointofblue |
I know I might be being unfair but, to me, that success in 2018 is blown out of proportion. It took an injury time winner to overcome Tunisia, we were beaten by Belgium twice plus Croatia and needed penalties to defeat Colombia. We played seven matches and lost three of them.
More recently we lost at Wembley to Denmark and away in Prague whilst limping past a Poland side without Lewandowski. Southgate has struggled and seemingly is still struggling on how to harness the raw attacking talent we have available to us. |
Southgate has managed to take all this great offensive talent and blend it into a unit that musters three shots on target...he's got 4 lads in Chilwell, James, Mount and Foden who stormed most of their CL games in the last month and made them shadows of themselves, if he even plays them. Too scared to hook Sterling or Phillips when they clearly are having poor games but pulls Foden who is looking lively. You can't imagine Klopp or Pep or Tuchel not getting more fom this talent or not knowing what their best formation or tactics are midway through a tournament. Still, he's a nice guy so that's ok... |  | | |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 07:50 - Jun 19 with 1788 views | hoppy |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 23:42 - Jun 18 by textbackup |
call me a knob, but surely if he wants to finish 2nd he'd have gone all out to beat local rivals and install pride, then change entire 11 in final game and accidently lose that.... Czech finish on 7, we finish on 6.....
that way everyone is buzzing still...… now we have it all to do, heaping pressure |
Knob.
You did ask! | |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 07:52 - Jun 19 with 1784 views | hoppy |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 01:40 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
It's such a stupid question. No offence etc. I can't believe so many people think Southgate actually planned not to beat Scotland. You might be joking but many aren't. The idea he deliberately set out not to beat Scotland is just ludicrous. |
I’ve been rumbled. I know I’m usually the least likely person to be joking on here, pretty much all the time, but on this occasion, I wasn’t actually being serious. | |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 07:57 - Jun 19 with 1769 views | WeWereZombies |
That would work until you consider that Southgate put out teams good enough to qualify for the Euros. All he had to do was make rubbish selections and employ poor tactics, then we would never have had this dilemma. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 08:32 - Jun 19 with 1673 views | BathBlue |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 01:40 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
It's such a stupid question. No offence etc. I can't believe so many people think Southgate actually planned not to beat Scotland. You might be joking but many aren't. The idea he deliberately set out not to beat Scotland is just ludicrous. |
Exactly this. Know the OP wasn’t serious but can’t believe so many people think England would try not to win. Against Scotland! Finishing 2nd would give a match in Copenhagen rather than Wembley so would involve moving base and France in the quarters. |  | | |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:17 - Jun 19 with 1489 views | J2BLUE |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 07:52 - Jun 19 by hoppy |
I’ve been rumbled. I know I’m usually the least likely person to be joking on here, pretty much all the time, but on this occasion, I wasn’t actually being serious. |
It's hard to tell, your jokes are crap. | |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:49 - Jun 19 with 1444 views | hoppy |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:17 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
It's hard to tell, your jokes are crap. |
Harsh.
There was that one, once… | |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:52 - Jun 19 with 1434 views | jeera |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:17 - Jun 19 by J2BLUE |
It's hard to tell, your jokes are crap. |
Yet possibly still above keno's.
Yes, the OP had to be sarcasm as nothing else made sense.
I've been shaking my head, along with most I suppose, at the prospect of Southgate telling his players not to win a match if they can help it. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:55 - Jun 19 with 1430 views | TractorCam |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 07:52 - Jun 19 by hoppy |
I’ve been rumbled. I know I’m usually the least likely person to be joking on here, pretty much all the time, but on this occasion, I wasn’t actually being serious. |
Some people genuinely believe this is a good idea sadly.
Belgium Italy and the winner of the group of death appear in the side of the draw if we come 2nd. Sure our round of 16 would be easier but then it's ridiculously tough compared to winning the group. |  |
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| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:56 - Jun 19 with 1427 views | chrismakin |
| Was it Southgate’s plan to not win tonight… on 14:52 - Jun 19 by jeera |
Yet possibly still above keno's.
Yes, the OP had to be sarcasm as nothing else made sense.
I've been shaking my head, along with most I suppose, at the prospect of Southgate telling his players not to win a match if they can help it. |
There is however a big difference in telling players not to win and not doing anything to get a win.
Grealish and Rashford subs weren't really going to change much and as mentioned in another thread some of his arm movements for us to slow down at certain points also showed that he was happy with how it was going.
Not wanting to lose is different to not wanting to win. | |
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