| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... 21:57 - Aug 21 with 5384 views | SitfcB |
...and said this season was the start of new beginnings etc.
But now a lot of people are chucking out the ‘Cook has only won 4 in 20’ or whatever stat.
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:59 - Aug 21 with 2844 views | pointofblue |
Did we? I think some insisted we should erase last season from the history books; I'm not sure if everyone agreed to. |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:03 - Aug 21 with 2788 views | chrismakin |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:59 - Aug 21 by pointofblue |
Did we? I think some insisted we should erase last season from the history books; I'm not sure if everyone agreed to. |
Sensible people did |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:03 - Aug 21 with 2797 views | timothyeo |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:03 - Aug 21 by chrismakin |
Sensible people did |
In your opinion. Which has been proven wrong time and time again. | | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:04 - Aug 21 with 2775 views | chrismakin |
I'm curious to know how long a new manager would get.. afterall he'd know as much about this squad as the current manager does | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:04 - Aug 21 with 2796 views | itfcsuth |
In essence it is a new start for the club, a complete new beginning for all involved - including Cook.
It is a completely new squad, a complete rebuild of a football club.
For me, 4 games is not even close to being a sensible time period to judge anyone on. |  | | |
| Happy to erase last season Stephen..... on 22:08 - Aug 21 with 2755 views | Bloots |
....that means he now has a win percentage of 0%.
Rock n Roll. |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:11 - Aug 21 with 2716 views | chrismakin |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:04 - Aug 21 by itfcsuth |
In essence it is a new start for the club, a complete new beginning for all involved - including Cook.
It is a completely new squad, a complete rebuild of a football club.
For me, 4 games is not even close to being a sensible time period to judge anyone on. |
Don't think people understand the depths of this new club
It's not just refreshed areas of ground or a complete squad overhaul.
It's a new sports science set up, with its own rules
New coaching team
New style for some players
So much is new. This isn't FM2021 | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:11 - Aug 21 with 2736 views | bazza |
Cook should get a statue outside the ground, just for getting rid of the players who dragged us into this league in the first place. |  | | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 00:46 - Aug 22 with 2562 views | gazzer1999 |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:03 - Aug 21 by chrismakin |
Sensible people did |
Remind me again how many have we won this season? chuck in the pre season friendlies as well if you want. |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 01:31 - Aug 22 with 2520 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Under the new owners, we have a 0% win rate this season. That's worse than a lot of our recent owners etc [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 1:31]
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 07:46 - Aug 22 with 2292 views | Keaneish |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 21:59 - Aug 21 by pointofblue |
Did we? I think some insisted we should erase last season from the history books; I'm not sure if everyone agreed to. |
Why wouldn’t we is more the question. A relegated, bloated squad playing under its 3rd manager of the season under new ownership. It was a season of tumultuous change so I think special dispensation should be granted, no?
When managers get sacked the ethos is that you do it before Jan so they have a window to recruit in yet PC joins in March and is supposed to save a sinking ship. Seems to go against the grain. Even Mick came in November and was able to recruit Orr, Stearman, McGoldrick, Mings, Barnett etc. [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 8:08]
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 07:52 - Aug 22 with 2253 views | Bluefish |
Why on earth would we erase it? It is part of the Cook performance, as soon as he gets the team playing and getting results but as it stands this season is a continuation and that is his standard
Never heard anything so tinpot than the bizarre denials of how badly he has performed.......actually I have we did it under Lambert as well......and Hurst |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:10 - Aug 22 with 2186 views | Churchman |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 01:31 - Aug 22 by JammyDodgerrr |
Under the new owners, we have a 0% win rate this season. That's worse than a lot of our recent owners etc [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 1:31]
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So you would prefer Evans back. Wow. |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:22 - Aug 22 with 2141 views | Herbivore |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 07:46 - Aug 22 by Keaneish |
Why wouldn’t we is more the question. A relegated, bloated squad playing under its 3rd manager of the season under new ownership. It was a season of tumultuous change so I think special dispensation should be granted, no?
When managers get sacked the ethos is that you do it before Jan so they have a window to recruit in yet PC joins in March and is supposed to save a sinking ship. Seems to go against the grain. Even Mick came in November and was able to recruit Orr, Stearman, McGoldrick, Mings, Barnett etc. [Post edited 22 Aug 2021 8:08]
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Most managers come into clubs that are in some degree of turmoil, that's usually why there's a job available in the first place. I don't think it was unreasonable for us to expect more from Cook than he delivered. Matt Gill managed to get three wins on the bounce out of those players, against top 10 sides as well. Cook managed just one more win than that in 16 games, the vast majority of which were against bottom feeders. If you want to whitewash that from his record here that's up to you, but I don't see why you'd expect everyone to do the same. |  |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:24 - Aug 22 with 2130 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I think you'll find most Town supporters were appalled to see a dead cat bounce tossed out of the window and a manager who dissed every single player whilst ignoring his own abject incompetence.
Those who supporterd Ipswich Town when they were a football club, not a franchise have also been somewhat bemused to see a new team of wannabees turn up and even quite good players forced out. To have an entire backroom staff, tieless mouthpiece and team so new and out of their comfort zone that they are probably still living in hotels is a bit bizarre - and not somehting the majority of Town supporters bought into whilst becoming supporters.
The ultimate absurdity of the current situation was shown yeasterday - a MK franchise with more Town nous in their management team - and possibly in the team too with pointless loan Parrott. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:30 - Aug 22 with 2103 views | Keaneish |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:22 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
Most managers come into clubs that are in some degree of turmoil, that's usually why there's a job available in the first place. I don't think it was unreasonable for us to expect more from Cook than he delivered. Matt Gill managed to get three wins on the bounce out of those players, against top 10 sides as well. Cook managed just one more win than that in 16 games, the vast majority of which were against bottom feeders. If you want to whitewash that from his record here that's up to you, but I don't see why you'd expect everyone to do the same. |
Matt Gill had a season had two seasons working with those players and was heavily involved in player recruitment though. In my view, there’s a big difference. I’d like Cook to have done better but it was plain to see there were major problems to solve. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:31 - Aug 22 with 2096 views | chrismakin |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:22 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
Most managers come into clubs that are in some degree of turmoil, that's usually why there's a job available in the first place. I don't think it was unreasonable for us to expect more from Cook than he delivered. Matt Gill managed to get three wins on the bounce out of those players, against top 10 sides as well. Cook managed just one more win than that in 16 games, the vast majority of which were against bottom feeders. If you want to whitewash that from his record here that's up to you, but I don't see why you'd expect everyone to do the same. |
if we're going back to last season again, as it's clearly to difficult for people to move on
The 3 games under Gill we played 3 sides who at the time of playing them were bottom half of the form table. Town had upto that point done ok against those in the bottom half of that form table, but struggled higher up.
This continued, the easy on paper games....... all sides we played ended their season in the top 8 of the form table at the time of us playing them, something we had struggled to beat all season with a side for verious reasons not upto it/interested/fit which ever.
What no one seems to want to answer though
IF PC left tomorrow. Who long would the new manager get? 4 games? What's the difference? Both managers would have started with a brand new squad, not 4 or 5 new players a brand new squad. Last season is completely irrelevant as this isn't the same club that PC took over in March.
Pre season - games cancelled, covid within the camp, late arrivals etc. You gave your obligatory downvote when I said we're entering a 2nd pre season period. It's exactly that and it's something that was always going to happen with a squad change of this magnitude and the timing of the transfers and injuries etc.
If the answer to a new manager coming in is " he'd be given time" then PC deserves exactly the same before his side gets boo'd off the pitch for a draw, or having to answer very cleverly put questions from the media. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:36 - Aug 22 with 2082 views | Herbivore |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:30 - Aug 22 by Keaneish |
Matt Gill had a season had two seasons working with those players and was heavily involved in player recruitment though. In my view, there’s a big difference. I’d like Cook to have done better but it was plain to see there were major problems to solve. |
Matt Gill is a coach, not an experienced manager. He was also still at the club so it's not like Cook couldn't call on him for assistance. As I said, if you want to entirely dismiss his performance here last season then that's fine but it shouldn't be hard to understand why plenty of others don't think we should just ignore a spell of a third of a season where he did a really poor job. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:42 - Aug 22 with 2050 views | Keaneish |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:36 - Aug 22 by Herbivore |
Matt Gill is a coach, not an experienced manager. He was also still at the club so it's not like Cook couldn't call on him for assistance. As I said, if you want to entirely dismiss his performance here last season then that's fine but it shouldn't be hard to understand why plenty of others don't think we should just ignore a spell of a third of a season where he did a really poor job. |
I think the lines between a first team coach and a manager are super thin these days, look at Liam Manning making the step up yesterday. Each to their own. I’m not giving PC a “free hit”, I just think the mess inherited from PL was greater than what PL inherited from PH. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:42 - Aug 22 with 2049 views | Oldboy |
Cook should be judged on results, including all the games since he took over. So far he is failing. Should still be given enough time to turn it around, just not so much that another season is gone. Really, really hoping he turns the results around, but at the moment, today, he is failing badly. |  | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:44 - Aug 22 with 2037 views | Herbivore |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:42 - Aug 22 by Keaneish |
I think the lines between a first team coach and a manager are super thin these days, look at Liam Manning making the step up yesterday. Each to their own. I’m not giving PC a “free hit”, I just think the mess inherited from PL was greater than what PL inherited from PH. |
I disagree on that last point especially but each to their own. | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:44 - Aug 22 with 2035 views | Keaneish |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:42 - Aug 22 by Oldboy |
Cook should be judged on results, including all the games since he took over. So far he is failing. Should still be given enough time to turn it around, just not so much that another season is gone. Really, really hoping he turns the results around, but at the moment, today, he is failing badly. |
Do you think based on yesterday’s performance he’s far away from improving results? | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:46 - Aug 22 with 2022 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:42 - Aug 22 by Oldboy |
Cook should be judged on results, including all the games since he took over. So far he is failing. Should still be given enough time to turn it around, just not so much that another season is gone. Really, really hoping he turns the results around, but at the moment, today, he is failing badly. |
Cook should also be judged on his attitude, man management, player development, awareness and the way he represents the club - and how he presents himself.
Results probably come from a combination of all that - hence the poor results | |
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| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:48 - Aug 22 with 2012 views | Churchman |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 22:04 - Aug 21 by itfcsuth |
In essence it is a new start for the club, a complete new beginning for all involved - including Cook.
It is a completely new squad, a complete rebuild of a football club.
For me, 4 games is not even close to being a sensible time period to judge anyone on. |
This is spot on. The problem is that Cook has been disliked by many right from the off for some reason. Some are more than happy to stick to the narrative best squad in the league squandered by Cook, our leader and hero treated disgracefully by Cook, Evans our saviour/thank you Marcus, etc etc. People are even bleating on about McCarthy four years down the line as if that has any relevance.
New owners means a new start for all that are here. If people genuinely think now is the time to judge, perhaps there should be demonstrations to try and force out the new owners too. By the logic of it, it was better under Evans, Gill had taken us on a brilliant run to the play offs, and we’ve done nothing under thew owners. Under them we have a zero win percentage rate this year and a poor one last. Ashton? He’s brought in these players and he should go too. Booooo! Drive them out! Get back saviours Marcus and Chambo!
It’s all nonsense of course. The football club is essentially new, lumbered with tatty old facilities, courtesy of Evans’ neglect. We’ve been garbage from top to bottom for years, despite Gill’s history making run of three games (one against ten men). It needs to be built, not torn apart.
It would be good to leave Cook alone, as Lyall was in 1990/91, for the whole season to build a team. In 2021 that isn’t going to happen. However, at the very least we should see where we are in a few months time. But we live in an age of now now now, so I doubt that will happen.
I was not surprised last seasons heroes downed tools. It wasn’t the first time. I’m very disappointed with how we’ve started this season though. We should be better than this, but we are where we are. It’s no good pointing at other clubs in either direction. They are not us. We will improve. There are one or two decent players here and plenty of experience around - they’ll work it out if people let them. While my short term optimism has been punctured, long term it has not, with or without Cook. | | | |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:52 - Aug 22 with 1992 views | pennblue |
| I like how we all erased last season from the history books at the end of it... on 08:46 - Aug 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
Cook should also be judged on his attitude, man management, player development, awareness and the way he represents the club - and how he presents himself.
Results probably come from a combination of all that - hence the poor results |
Sorry, you can't judge PC until at least the end of October.
It is a disappointing start for sure, PC will no doubt be as disappointed as anyone on here, but he will also know that this is a process, and if you trust the process you should enjoy watching things unfold and develop.
Rome was not built in a day. | |
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