| Full backs / wing backs 19:02 - Nov 28 with 1895 views | kizaitfc |
For me, Doncien and Clemenets do very little wrong.
But to suit this system you need to be bombing forwards, effectively becoming the winger when going forwards.
Neither Donaicen or Clements look comfortable going forwards, especially when you compare them to KVY and Coulson.
Although I think Donacien has been one of our best defenders I'd like to see KVY thrown back in as we need more attacking threat.
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| Full backs / wing backs on 19:34 - Nov 28 with 1592 views | tractorboy1978 |
They are a really fundamental problem. Amazes me how Donacien is some sort of cult hero, he's absolute toilet going forwards and full backs are key positions in PC's system. If he's still here by January we will see two new full backs come in, def info. | | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 19:44 - Nov 28 with 1551 views | Meadowlark |
We miss Coulson as much as we miss Burns. |  | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 19:55 - Nov 28 with 1531 views | Cuffy81 |
For me, this is the biggest issue with our current setup, neither Clements or Donacien are ball carriers and not particularly comfortable or confident in possession, Cook system relies on the full backs staying high providing the width, its not their game.
Why KVY can't get a look in at left back I'm not sure. | | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 19:58 - Nov 28 with 1521 views | StokieBlue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 19:34 - Nov 28 by tractorboy1978 |
They are a really fundamental problem. Amazes me how Donacien is some sort of cult hero, he's absolute toilet going forwards and full backs are key positions in PC's system. If he's still here by January we will see two new full backs come in, def info. |
Donacian was good going forward today.
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:04 - Nov 28 with 1497 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Full backs / wing backs on 19:58 - Nov 28 by StokieBlue |
Donacian was good going forward today.
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He wasn't remotely good. He gets the ball and passes it sideways. No drive, no intensity and his natural instinct is not to bomb on. On the couple of occasions he did get into crossing positions his delivery was poor. | | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:08 - Nov 28 with 1478 views | StokieBlue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:04 - Nov 28 by tractorboy1978 |
He wasn't remotely good. He gets the ball and passes it sideways. No drive, no intensity and his natural instinct is not to bomb on. On the couple of occasions he did get into crossing positions his delivery was poor. |
Not really sure what you were watching to be honest.
He overlapped well, delivery could be better but you could say that about most of the players.
You seem to want him to be Cafu. You're aware of the division we're playing in right?
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:10 - Nov 28 with 1462 views | Durovigutum |
There's too big a gap between the full backs and the 3 in front. The two sitters give a gap to move into but it also gives a huge space for the opposition to play in to - so the defenders can't bomb on because they don't get any cover. The two holding defenders are meant to do that, but today showed they aren't effective at this - a team with any quality today would have scored the goals to beat us. |  | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:10 - Nov 28 with 1455 views | pointofblue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:04 - Nov 28 by tractorboy1978 |
He wasn't remotely good. He gets the ball and passes it sideways. No drive, no intensity and his natural instinct is not to bomb on. On the couple of occasions he did get into crossing positions his delivery was poor. |
Well he fits in with everyone else then. | |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:12 - Nov 28 with 1450 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:08 - Nov 28 by StokieBlue |
Not really sure what you were watching to be honest.
He overlapped well, delivery could be better but you could say that about most of the players.
You seem to want him to be Cafu. You're aware of the division we're playing in right?
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I really don't expect him to be Cafu. The difference between him and KVY is absolutely stark. In a formation that relies so much on the full backs providing width, it's criminal we have lined up with Donacien and Clements in those positions so regularly lately.
Particularly when Burns is out - him holding his width and being so quick/direct hides how lacking Donacien is going forwards.When you have wide attacking players tucking in, you need both full backs to be dynamic. | | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:12 - Nov 28 with 1442 views | SomethingBlue |
Yep, I think long term if he is fit it has to be KVY, much as Donacien has done himself huge credit. | |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:15 - Nov 28 with 1414 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
In the league:
Our defence with Donacien 14 conceded in 13 matches. W6 D3 L4
Without him 16 conceded in 7 matches. W1 D3 L3
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:22 - Nov 28 with 1386 views | Keaneish |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:08 - Nov 28 by StokieBlue |
Not really sure what you were watching to be honest.
He overlapped well, delivery could be better but you could say that about most of the players.
You seem to want him to be Cafu. You're aware of the division we're playing in right?
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Agree with you. I’m not his biggest fan and I’d much rather watch KVY in that role but Donacien is getting better going forward which is testament to Cook and the team. He’s actually chipped in with a few assists this season, has started to pop up in dangerous areas and is actually looking a lot more composed on the ball in the final third. He’s made big strides and all credit to him. |  |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:47 - Nov 28 with 1305 views | Fixed_It |
I said exactly the same on the way to the game today. Cook has a certain style of playing and at the moment his style is compromised by having full-backs who don't provide sufficient attacking width and overlaps. Not a criticism of Donacien or Clements, who have done well, but their strengths are not those that this particular system requires. |  |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:50 - Nov 28 with 1265 views | Fixed_It |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:15 - Nov 28 by Nthsuffolkblue |
In the league:
Our defence with Donacien 14 conceded in 13 matches. W6 D3 L4
Without him 16 conceded in 7 matches. W1 D3 L3
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Defensively we are much stronger with Donacien playing. Offensively we are much better with KVY playing, and our system suits KVY better. | |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:52 - Nov 28 with 1257 views | Durovigutum |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:47 - Nov 28 by Fixed_It |
I said exactly the same on the way to the game today. Cook has a certain style of playing and at the moment his style is compromised by having full-backs who don't provide sufficient attacking width and overlaps. Not a criticism of Donacien or Clements, who have done well, but their strengths are not those that this particular system requires. |
So, surely the thing to do is change the system to match the players we have? 4-4-2 with Piggot and Bonne up top and let the defenders worry about defending if that is all they can do. | | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:58 - Nov 28 with 1222 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:50 - Nov 28 by Fixed_It |
Defensively we are much stronger with Donacien playing. Offensively we are much better with KVY playing, and our system suits KVY better. |
And statistically, with the more solid defence we pick up a lot more points.
There should be the flexibility to use the more attacking option when we are chasing the game or to use the more defensive option when we are trying to close one out if we have gone more offensive against some opposition. This is where we do not appear to adjust effectively. We are not closing out too many games and we are not turning around matches when we do go behind either. | |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 20:59 - Nov 28 with 1222 views | Fixed_It |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:52 - Nov 28 by Durovigutum |
So, surely the thing to do is change the system to match the players we have? 4-4-2 with Piggot and Bonne up top and let the defenders worry about defending if that is all they can do. |
I like the fact that Cook has the courage of his convictions. It may prove to be his downfall, but I hope not. Some of our play is exhilarating. We just need to find consistency. | |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 21:25 - Nov 28 with 1142 views | jayessess |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:15 - Nov 28 by Nthsuffolkblue |
In the league:
Our defence with Donacien 14 conceded in 13 matches. W6 D3 L4
Without him 16 conceded in 7 matches. W1 D3 L3
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Bit misleading those stats.
Of the 7 matches we've done without Donacien, 5 were without Walton, Nsiala and Walton as well, so who knows what the correlation was. 1 was the Bolton sh1tshow where we continued conceding goals even after KVY's mercy sub (3 without reply in fact).
Game 7 was our best performance of the season (and also our best defensive performance, given the context IMO). |  |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 22:20 - Nov 28 with 1049 views | Garv |
This is why our current poor form isn't a hugely difficult fix in my view.
Penney back playing for starters would be a big help. Can only hope he was injured today because otherwise it's baffling that you wouldn't play him.
Donacien may be okay when you've got Burns ahead of him. Agreed though I'd like to see KVY a go. Most players are better going forwards or backward than they are going the other way. Like we accept Donacien's faults going forward, we should accept KVY may have deficiencies in defence. |  |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 22:30 - Nov 28 with 997 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 19:58 - Nov 28 by StokieBlue |
Donacian was good going forward today.
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Yeah he was. I like that Aluko/Donacien partnership. They work well together; happy to swap roles, cover for each other, and if the ball isn’t on Donacien’s good at creating space for Aluko to exploit. |  |
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| Full backs / wing backs on 22:49 - Nov 28 with 960 views | StokieBlue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 22:30 - Nov 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah he was. I like that Aluko/Donacien partnership. They work well together; happy to swap roles, cover for each other, and if the ball isn’t on Donacien’s good at creating space for Aluko to exploit. |
Indeed.
It's now at the point where I think some posters have written their posts before the game is played and are just waiting until full time to click post. Many seem to bear no resemblance to what actually happened in the match.
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| Full backs / wing backs on 09:08 - Nov 29 with 667 views | 3_5_2 |
| Full backs / wing backs on 20:04 - Nov 28 by tractorboy1978 |
He wasn't remotely good. He gets the ball and passes it sideways. No drive, no intensity and his natural instinct is not to bomb on. On the couple of occasions he did get into crossing positions his delivery was poor. |
Disagree there
1st half JD got forward and linked up well with Aluko but as PC said afterwards, we stopped doing things that were working well and those two were killing Crewe
KVY is better going forward, JD a better defender
Our left back situation is a problem, Clements level of consistency is not where it should be from game to game which is understandable given his age / experience
Penney is error prone (in my view)
Coulsdon is the best we have, his injury must have been a bad one (not going straight off at Wycombe was a mistake and made it worse)
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| Full backs / wing backs on 09:12 - Nov 29 with 651 views | townblue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 19:34 - Nov 28 by tractorboy1978 |
They are a really fundamental problem. Amazes me how Donacien is some sort of cult hero, he's absolute toilet going forwards and full backs are key positions in PC's system. If he's still here by January we will see two new full backs come in, def info. |
"he's absolute toilet going forwards" - that's just not true at all.
Linking up with burns he's been very good. Think he's struggled playing with other wingers who prefer to play in the middle and do not come wide. |  | | |
| Full backs / wing backs on 09:24 - Nov 29 with 636 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Full backs / wing backs on 09:12 - Nov 29 by townblue |
"he's absolute toilet going forwards" - that's just not true at all.
Linking up with burns he's been very good. Think he's struggled playing with other wingers who prefer to play in the middle and do not come wide. |
He looks better with Burns because he holds his position out wide and provides direct, attacking impetus. He can play as more of a conventional full back with less pressure to provide width. When you have wingers that drift inside (which Cook has always preferred and had success with) you need full backs that command their whole side of the pitch and effectively play as wingers. Donacien just doesn't. And neither does Clements.
Cook said himself at the AGM, defensive duties primarily lay with the centre halfs and two holding midfielders and the onus is on the full backs to bomb on. [Post edited 29 Nov 2021 9:24]
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| Full backs / wing backs on 09:26 - Nov 29 with 613 views | townblue |
| Full backs / wing backs on 09:24 - Nov 29 by tractorboy1978 |
He looks better with Burns because he holds his position out wide and provides direct, attacking impetus. He can play as more of a conventional full back with less pressure to provide width. When you have wingers that drift inside (which Cook has always preferred and had success with) you need full backs that command their whole side of the pitch and effectively play as wingers. Donacien just doesn't. And neither does Clements.
Cook said himself at the AGM, defensive duties primarily lay with the centre halfs and two holding midfielders and the onus is on the full backs to bomb on. [Post edited 29 Nov 2021 9:24]
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I know it would never happen, but if he wants centre halves defending and full backs attacking then surely a 352 would be a better setup.
I think we've been caught out a bit more when KVY has been playing as we leave too many gaps at the back. | | | |
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