| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 with 2889 views | StokieBlue |
What do you think should happen?
How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?
Would you support that?
If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?
What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?
You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.
SB [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:36 - Dec 1 with 2872 views | gtsb1966 |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue |
What do you think should happen?
How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?
Would you support that?
If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?
What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?
You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.
SB [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]
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Im triple jabbed. I'm talking about the people who won't get jabbed. Start making it compulsory and/or fining those people and there will be serious disorder. That's all I'm saying.
P.s...i haven't complained about anything here. [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:38]
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:37 - Dec 1 with 2863 views | StokieBlue |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:36 - Dec 1 by gtsb1966 |
Im triple jabbed. I'm talking about the people who won't get jabbed. Start making it compulsory and/or fining those people and there will be serious disorder. That's all I'm saying.
P.s...i haven't complained about anything here. [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:38]
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That is fair, you've not specifically complained in this post but you have previously and that is my context.
You've not answered anything I've asked.
Why not?
Tell us what you think. Stop posting little sentences and have a proper view.
SB [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:39]
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:41 - Dec 1 with 2813 views | gtsb1966 |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:37 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue |
That is fair, you've not specifically complained in this post but you have previously and that is my context.
You've not answered anything I've asked.
Why not?
Tell us what you think. Stop posting little sentences and have a proper view.
SB [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:39]
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I'll post what I want. I'm merely pointing out that if you start forcing people it could get and will get nasty. Should they get the jab... absolutely. | | | |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:44 - Dec 1 with 2789 views | Swansea_Blue |
Something’s got to be done. We’ve dropped down to about 38th in the list of countries based on %age of population double jabbed.
It probably needs a combination of stick and mostly carrot, but we have to get the vaccine rate up if we’re going to stand a chance of beating it. |  |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:49 - Dec 1 with 2760 views | footers |
Great. Let the Army deal with them.
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:51 - Dec 1 with 2746 views | gtsb1966 |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:44 - Dec 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Something’s got to be done. We’ve dropped down to about 38th in the list of countries based on %age of population double jabbed.
It probably needs a combination of stick and mostly carrot, but we have to get the vaccine rate up if we’re going to stand a chance of beating it. |
I agree but I can still see unrest in some countries. I think everyone should be jabbed but unfortunately I can see the ones who refuse and then get things forced upon them causing unrest. | | | |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 23:51 - Dec 1 with 2631 views | factual_blue |
Excellent article today in The Guardian pointing out that those who bleat nowadays about restrictions masks etc wouldn't have coped with the even greater raft of minor inconveniences people had to put up with during wartime Britain, our last great existential crisis. |  |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:25 - Dec 2 with 2596 views | Ryorry |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 23:51 - Dec 1 by factual_blue |
Excellent article today in The Guardian pointing out that those who bleat nowadays about restrictions masks etc wouldn't have coped with the even greater raft of minor inconveniences people had to put up with during wartime Britain, our last great existential crisis. |
Whilst people mostly did grit their teeth & get on with it in the UK during WW2, it was by no means all pulling together all the way, some people have too rosy a view of it (not saying you).
Remember a convo with my Mum (R.I.P.) who at a very tender age, 17 I believe, was made a charge-hand (cos she was well-educated) in a munitions factory. She said there was a fair bit of petty pilfering of materials as well as some workshy people, albeit a minority, & that was the case in other places too. |  |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:29 - Dec 2 with 2584 views | factual_blue |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:25 - Dec 2 by Ryorry |
Whilst people mostly did grit their teeth & get on with it in the UK during WW2, it was by no means all pulling together all the way, some people have too rosy a view of it (not saying you).
Remember a convo with my Mum (R.I.P.) who at a very tender age, 17 I believe, was made a charge-hand (cos she was well-educated) in a munitions factory. She said there was a fair bit of petty pilfering of materials as well as some workshy people, albeit a minority, & that was the case in other places too. |
During the four months of the London Blitz from September to December 1941, a total of 4,584 cases of looting were heard by the Old Bailey court. | |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:22 - Dec 2 with 2281 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:25 - Dec 2 by Ryorry |
Whilst people mostly did grit their teeth & get on with it in the UK during WW2, it was by no means all pulling together all the way, some people have too rosy a view of it (not saying you).
Remember a convo with my Mum (R.I.P.) who at a very tender age, 17 I believe, was made a charge-hand (cos she was well-educated) in a munitions factory. She said there was a fair bit of petty pilfering of materials as well as some workshy people, albeit a minority, & that was the case in other places too. |
Well known gangsters like Frankie Fraser were gutted when the war ended because they got away with so much criminality. |  | | |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:37 - Dec 2 with 2238 views | Sarge |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue |
What do you think should happen?
How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?
Would you support that?
If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?
What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?
You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.
SB [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]
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I think this is a perfectly fair and reasonable response, allowing those who don’t want vaccines to continue to live their lives until such point that their choice may catch up with them. I think there is a difference between anti vaxxers and people who just don’t want the vaccine and demonising, ostracising, or vaccinating the latter against their will doesn’t sit well with me.
I’m sure policing it would be nigh on impossible but there we are. |  | | |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:42 - Dec 2 with 2213 views | jontysnut |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue |
What do you think should happen?
How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?
Would you support that?
If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?
What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?
You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.
SB [Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]
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I've been on a bus where despite face coverings being mandatory I was in a minority. 'Mandatory' means nothing to people who either actively refuse or can't be arsed. It's pointless. There might be the odd person who gets dragged through the court or refused entry to somewhere but it's not going to change behaviour of that big chunck of people who effectively opt out of something designed to safeguard us all. |  | | |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:48 - Dec 2 with 2184 views | The_Major |
They need to come up with something sharpish. 54k new cases today.
That's roughly a full Anfield or everyone in Clacton. Mind boggling. |  | | |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:28 - Dec 2 with 2140 views | bluelagos |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:37 - Dec 2 by Sarge |
I think this is a perfectly fair and reasonable response, allowing those who don’t want vaccines to continue to live their lives until such point that their choice may catch up with them. I think there is a difference between anti vaxxers and people who just don’t want the vaccine and demonising, ostracising, or vaccinating the latter against their will doesn’t sit well with me.
I’m sure policing it would be nigh on impossible but there we are. |
Argued this with a "mandatory vaccer" today who whilst accepting holding people down wasn't practical, felt large fines were the way forward for those who refuse. Apparently Austria are talking like 3000+ Euros (According to him)
Two problems that I see here. (Aside from the ethical ones) Firstly there are reports in Holland of people paying getting others to get their jab. Introduce large fines and you can see that happening here.
Secondly the idea that we should "fine" people for stupidity. Whilst it might raise a fair bit of money, it's not really where we want to go as a society. |  |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:52 - Dec 2 with 2105 views | StokieBlue |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:28 - Dec 2 by bluelagos |
Argued this with a "mandatory vaccer" today who whilst accepting holding people down wasn't practical, felt large fines were the way forward for those who refuse. Apparently Austria are talking like 3000+ Euros (According to him)
Two problems that I see here. (Aside from the ethical ones) Firstly there are reports in Holland of people paying getting others to get their jab. Introduce large fines and you can see that happening here.
Secondly the idea that we should "fine" people for stupidity. Whilst it might raise a fair bit of money, it's not really where we want to go as a society. |
Playing devils advocate (and not voicing an opinion either way), lets say someone you know requires admission to the ICU but there are no beds to treat them because they are full of unvaccinated covid patients, patients that have an extremely high chance of not being there if they are vaccinated.
How would you feel then? Their actions are directly affecting you and probably doing harm to someone you know - is that more or less unfair than making them have a jab?
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:57 - Dec 2 with 2077 views | bluelagos |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:52 - Dec 2 by StokieBlue |
Playing devils advocate (and not voicing an opinion either way), lets say someone you know requires admission to the ICU but there are no beds to treat them because they are full of unvaccinated covid patients, patients that have an extremely high chance of not being there if they are vaccinated.
How would you feel then? Their actions are directly affecting you and probably doing harm to someone you know - is that more or less unfair than making them have a jab?
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I don't think that would happen as the justification for a lockdown (one of them) is to protect the NHS from being overrun. So we would presumably get to a lockdown before your scenario played out.
What I would concede was that if we have to have another lockdown, due to high rates of hospitalisations of unvaccinated patients, I'd be extremely p*ssed off with them. | |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:27 - Dec 2 with 2037 views | Mookamoo |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:57 - Dec 2 by bluelagos |
I don't think that would happen as the justification for a lockdown (one of them) is to protect the NHS from being overrun. So we would presumably get to a lockdown before your scenario played out.
What I would concede was that if we have to have another lockdown, due to high rates of hospitalisations of unvaccinated patients, I'd be extremely p*ssed off with them. |
Are we not just bumbling towards and January lockdown (if not before)? I can't see any other way to avoid it, other than sanctioning those that choose to be unvaccinated.
Simple choice between some of us getting to go out or none of us going anywhere for a bit. |  | | |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 with 2006 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:44 - Dec 1 by Swansea_Blue |
Something’s got to be done. We’ve dropped down to about 38th in the list of countries based on %age of population double jabbed.
It probably needs a combination of stick and mostly carrot, but we have to get the vaccine rate up if we’re going to stand a chance of beating it. |
Nuremberg code. |  |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:42 - Dec 2 with 2002 views | positivity |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 by The_Last_Baron |
Nuremberg code. |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:49 - Dec 2 with 1993 views | giant_stow |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:27 - Dec 2 by Mookamoo |
Are we not just bumbling towards and January lockdown (if not before)? I can't see any other way to avoid it, other than sanctioning those that choose to be unvaccinated.
Simple choice between some of us getting to go out or none of us going anywhere for a bit. |
That simple choice assumes mandatory vaccinations would work and get the rest of the population jabbed up. Not so sure myself... think many would dig in on principal. That's just a practical concerm - ethically, I think mandatory vaccines are horrible and set a very dangerous precident, just when other freedoms are threatened too. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 18:51]
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 19:22 - Dec 2 with 1923 views | StokieBlue |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 by The_Last_Baron |
Nuremberg code. |
This has been explained to you loads of times that this is rubbish.
It's just trolling now, like the vast majority of your posts.
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 19:26 - Dec 2 with 1883 views | footers |
| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 by The_Last_Baron |
Nuremberg code. |
Pretty much every point of the Nuremberg Code is irrelevant as far as covid is concerned.
But it's no surprise to see your pathetic trolling move from Brexit to the pandemic.
Stick to collecting replica shirts like a schoolboy. | |
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| Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 19:28 - Dec 2 with 1871 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Mega government's going to mega govern!! |  |
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