| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? 15:35 - Dec 30 with 4004 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Thoughts on this? I can't see him signing a new contract given the way he thinks he's been unfairly treated by some of our fans so what's in our best interests at this time?
There will be lots of interest in January, and despite his contract being out in the summer a fair few clubs may well want to front up a fee of say 100k rather than wait until then. Until his recent appearances i'd have thought a move in January was most likely but is he worth more to us this season keeping him as our player than a nominal fee in January.
The alternative is of course we sell him in January for the fee and bring someone else in. I can't remember too many transfer listed players having a long term future at Ipswich in any case... besides Eric Gates, who seemed permanently transfer listed from about 1982 onwards and he stayed for another 3 years!
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 15:39 - Dec 30 with 3408 views | Herbivore |
He won't be here next season so it's a question of whether we see if we can get anything for him now or whether we keep hold of him as an option in the squad. I'm sure K-Mac will have a decent idea of which option he prefers and I imagine it may be partly dependent on transfer business he might be looking to do. |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 15:41 - Dec 30 with 3407 views | Keaneish |
It’s really evident the qualities he brings and the rapport he has within the club. Why he was on the transfer list and why PC never selected him remains unclear; as Norwood said, “his (Cook’s) hands were tied”. I can only assume his off-field activities worked against him and the call was made from up above given PC gave him the captaincy at the back end of last year and he was fighting for his place at the start of the season.
Do we have an option on him? I’d take this if so. If not, I’d give him a 1-year extension but write performance and fitness / appearance clauses into it. |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 15:59 - Dec 30 with 3315 views | jayessess |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 15:41 - Dec 30 by Keaneish |
It’s really evident the qualities he brings and the rapport he has within the club. Why he was on the transfer list and why PC never selected him remains unclear; as Norwood said, “his (Cook’s) hands were tied”. I can only assume his off-field activities worked against him and the call was made from up above given PC gave him the captaincy at the back end of last year and he was fighting for his place at the start of the season.
Do we have an option on him? I’d take this if so. If not, I’d give him a 1-year extension but write performance and fitness / appearance clauses into it. |
There is an option, but his existing contract was reputed to be pretty costly, so I don't know if we'd want to take it up or re-negotiate.
I think we'll be happy to wait and see, really. He's on a good scoring run, but his general play fluctuates between adequate (Wigan, Wycombe) and quite poor (Sunderland). I suspect McKenna will already be wondering if there's not someone who'll give us a bit more in terms of holding the ball up, going past people, playing that final ball. Might find by the end of the season that Norwood's not so integral and we're happy enough to let him move on. |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:01 - Dec 30 with 3301 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
"he thinks he's been unfairly treated by some of our fans". Is this the same fans who forced the owners to sack Cook and then forced them not to appoint Neil Harris?
Why are lots of clubs going to show an interest in him and prepared to pay a fee and his current wages? That might give you a clue as to why we are not likely to sell him!
I am sure plenty of players have been transfer listed and then gone on to do well for Town especially after a change of manager. Whether Norwood is available for transfer will be down to McKenna but he had better have a jolly good option to replace him with if he is selling. I suspect Norwood is here for considerably longer and his contract extension will be enacted. |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:10 - Dec 30 with 3241 views | chrismakin |
If he basis his time here on the support he gets at games then he will sign a new deal. If its due to a handful of twitter idiots then no.
Looking back, on one hand he was a hero at Tranmere.. but there were still a certain selection who gave him alot of stick online. He's sadly no different to other players and that's the biggest issue with social media.
But last night there's 26000 cheering him on. |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:13 - Dec 30 with 3233 views | Keaneish |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 15:59 - Dec 30 by jayessess |
There is an option, but his existing contract was reputed to be pretty costly, so I don't know if we'd want to take it up or re-negotiate.
I think we'll be happy to wait and see, really. He's on a good scoring run, but his general play fluctuates between adequate (Wigan, Wycombe) and quite poor (Sunderland). I suspect McKenna will already be wondering if there's not someone who'll give us a bit more in terms of holding the ball up, going past people, playing that final ball. Might find by the end of the season that Norwood's not so integral and we're happy enough to let him move on. |
He’s always on a good scoring run for us though. When fit he’s a 1 in 2 or 1 in 2.5 striker. Plenty of times he’s come from the bench and changed the dynamic of the attack too. I wouldn’t take up the option based on the last few games, I’d take it up based on minutes on the pitch to goals / assists ratio.
If we can find the equivalent type of service on the left that Bonne has on the right in Burns, we’ll see an even better return from him. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:14 - Dec 30 with 3219 views | Herbivore |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:01 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"he thinks he's been unfairly treated by some of our fans". Is this the same fans who forced the owners to sack Cook and then forced them not to appoint Neil Harris?
Why are lots of clubs going to show an interest in him and prepared to pay a fee and his current wages? That might give you a clue as to why we are not likely to sell him!
I am sure plenty of players have been transfer listed and then gone on to do well for Town especially after a change of manager. Whether Norwood is available for transfer will be down to McKenna but he had better have a jolly good option to replace him with if he is selling. I suspect Norwood is here for considerably longer and his contract extension will be enacted. |
He's on big money, I'd be staggered if we take up the option of an extension. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:19 - Dec 30 with 3180 views | Illinoisblue |
It would make no sense to sell him in January. |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:20 - Dec 30 with 3174 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:14 - Dec 30 by Herbivore |
He's on big money, I'd be staggered if we take up the option of an extension. |
Depends a lot on the terms and the way the total salary allowance is calculated. If it is based on appearances, we may have no choice. Who knows? At the end of the day he is a player capable of helping us get promoted. If he goes he will need replacing and is that going to be any less costly and easier to get within the salary allowances?
I don't know the answer to these questions. The fact you don't like him (or that other fans do) will not come into the equation. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:24 - Dec 30 with 3153 views | jayessess |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:13 - Dec 30 by Keaneish |
He’s always on a good scoring run for us though. When fit he’s a 1 in 2 or 1 in 2.5 striker. Plenty of times he’s come from the bench and changed the dynamic of the attack too. I wouldn’t take up the option based on the last few games, I’d take it up based on minutes on the pitch to goals / assists ratio.
If we can find the equivalent type of service on the left that Bonne has on the right in Burns, we’ll see an even better return from him. |
23 in 63 in L1, which is a touch better than 1 in 3. He's had a fair few runs without scoring much for us. Last season was a couple of bad patches (1 in 7) interspersed with a couple of good (4 in 6, 3 in 3, the latter in dead rubbers). 2019-20 he had a good run in August (5 goals in 4 games), then just 6 more goals, fairly evenly spaced out, over 22 appearances.
It's a decent goal ratio and goalscorers are tough to find, but it's so not other worldly that you'd think it impossible to upgrade, especially given how limited his general play is. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:27 - Dec 30 with 3128 views | Herbivore |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:20 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Depends a lot on the terms and the way the total salary allowance is calculated. If it is based on appearances, we may have no choice. Who knows? At the end of the day he is a player capable of helping us get promoted. If he goes he will need replacing and is that going to be any less costly and easier to get within the salary allowances?
I don't know the answer to these questions. The fact you don't like him (or that other fans do) will not come into the equation. |
It's not really about liking him or not, although it's true that I don't like him, it's about whether he offers value for money on the wages we're paying him. I think it's hard to argue that he does if you look at more than just his 3 goals in his last 3 league games here. He's a pretty limited footballer who has been injury prone and brings a fair amount of baggage. Does that justify keeping him on as a high earner? I'd be surprised if he's still here next season. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:30 - Dec 30 with 3107 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:24 - Dec 30 by jayessess |
23 in 63 in L1, which is a touch better than 1 in 3. He's had a fair few runs without scoring much for us. Last season was a couple of bad patches (1 in 7) interspersed with a couple of good (4 in 6, 3 in 3, the latter in dead rubbers). 2019-20 he had a good run in August (5 goals in 4 games), then just 6 more goals, fairly evenly spaced out, over 22 appearances.
It's a decent goal ratio and goalscorers are tough to find, but it's so not other worldly that you'd think it impossible to upgrade, especially given how limited his general play is. |
How many of those matches was he a lone striker in a system not creating chances for anyone? How many of those were as substitute coming on for 10 minutes or fewer?
I don't think we have a natural striker like Norwood at the club. Bonne is quite different and has his own limitations. If there is a player as good as Norwood available to us for less then fair enough. I doubt there is to be honest. Time will tell. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:30 - Dec 30 with 3095 views | Keaneish |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:24 - Dec 30 by jayessess |
23 in 63 in L1, which is a touch better than 1 in 3. He's had a fair few runs without scoring much for us. Last season was a couple of bad patches (1 in 7) interspersed with a couple of good (4 in 6, 3 in 3, the latter in dead rubbers). 2019-20 he had a good run in August (5 goals in 4 games), then just 6 more goals, fairly evenly spaced out, over 22 appearances.
It's a decent goal ratio and goalscorers are tough to find, but it's so not other worldly that you'd think it impossible to upgrade, especially given how limited his general play is. |
Slightly worse than I thought but given how intermittent those spells have been with injuries and managerial changes that’s a decent return. Norwood is great at finding space in the box, it’s one of his biggest strengths in my opinion. If McKenna is about getting the basics right, which it seems like he is, he’ll be getting Norwood in the box and within the width of the goal as much as possible and we’ll see more goals from him.
Regarding the lean runs, Bonne is now 1 in 11 I think it is and we’d snap him up in a heartbeat. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:35 - Dec 30 with 3038 views | Garv |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:13 - Dec 30 by Keaneish |
He’s always on a good scoring run for us though. When fit he’s a 1 in 2 or 1 in 2.5 striker. Plenty of times he’s come from the bench and changed the dynamic of the attack too. I wouldn’t take up the option based on the last few games, I’d take it up based on minutes on the pitch to goals / assists ratio.
If we can find the equivalent type of service on the left that Bonne has on the right in Burns, we’ll see an even better return from him. |
This is it. You don't sign him based on three games, you sign him based on what he's done in a blue shirt, which has been a lot more good than bad.
His injury record is the only mark against him in footballing terms. If you don't trust him to play a good number of games then what's the point. I'm sure that's something they'll look at when it comes to deciding on transfers/contracts etc. If you could guarantee he would be fit for 40+ games a season, it'd be a no-brainer. [Post edited 31 Dec 2021 9:55]
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:37 - Dec 30 with 3026 views | jayessess |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:30 - Dec 30 by Keaneish |
Slightly worse than I thought but given how intermittent those spells have been with injuries and managerial changes that’s a decent return. Norwood is great at finding space in the box, it’s one of his biggest strengths in my opinion. If McKenna is about getting the basics right, which it seems like he is, he’ll be getting Norwood in the box and within the width of the goal as much as possible and we’ll see more goals from him.
Regarding the lean runs, Bonne is now 1 in 11 I think it is and we’d snap him up in a heartbeat. |
The "intermittent spells" is part of the player though, isn't it? Absolutely no reason to believe a 32-year-olds' injury record or going to start improving.
FWIW I agree it's a decent return and yes, all strikers have lean patches. I'd definitely recruit Bonne on the basis that he's a good age and a good all-round centre forward. I'd hesitate on Norwood because he's 32, injury-prone and the rest of his game isn't great. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:39 - Dec 30 with 3017 views | Metal_Hacker |
Long and short , I’d rather invest his wage elsewhere but I don’t think we’ll be selling him on in January due to no club offering a similar deal to what he’s on right now
He may well run it down and get a singing on few next season elsewhere maybe |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:40 - Dec 30 with 3012 views | J2BLUE |
We would be absolutely mad to sell him. Some people are convincing themselves he's not very good because they don't like him. I don't care how people are trying to convince themselves. He is a great option in this league and that is a fact. We need him for at least the remainder of this season. Next season is up for debate but personally I would keep him. |  |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:41 - Dec 30 with 3007 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:27 - Dec 30 by Herbivore |
It's not really about liking him or not, although it's true that I don't like him, it's about whether he offers value for money on the wages we're paying him. I think it's hard to argue that he does if you look at more than just his 3 goals in his last 3 league games here. He's a pretty limited footballer who has been injury prone and brings a fair amount of baggage. Does that justify keeping him on as a high earner? I'd be surprised if he's still here next season. |
It’s a difficult one. You make some very valid points. I don’t like his off field antics but he’s a proven goal scorer and that’s always the hardest position on the pitch to fill. We may strike lucky and find another goal scorer on a Bosman in the summer, but failing that strikers cost big bucks to buy so that has to be factored in alongside the issue of his wages. It may cost us less overall to take up the option. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:43 - Dec 30 with 2998 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:37 - Dec 30 by jayessess |
The "intermittent spells" is part of the player though, isn't it? Absolutely no reason to believe a 32-year-olds' injury record or going to start improving.
FWIW I agree it's a decent return and yes, all strikers have lean patches. I'd definitely recruit Bonne on the basis that he's a good age and a good all-round centre forward. I'd hesitate on Norwood because he's 32, injury-prone and the rest of his game isn't great. |
Don't forget we let David McGoldrick go aged 30 due to his injury record and the cost of keeping him.
I am definitely not saying Norwood is in the same class as McGoldrick but I think his past record for different managers in dysfunctional "teams" with poor tactics is a good reason to let him go. I do accept there may be other good reasons such as not being able to afford him. However, if we cannot afford him, we are not going to replace him with anyone as good. No one is guaranteed to never be unavailable. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:45 - Dec 30 with 2982 views | Herbivore |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:41 - Dec 30 by southnorfolkblue |
It’s a difficult one. You make some very valid points. I don’t like his off field antics but he’s a proven goal scorer and that’s always the hardest position on the pitch to fill. We may strike lucky and find another goal scorer on a Bosman in the summer, but failing that strikers cost big bucks to buy so that has to be factored in alongside the issue of his wages. It may cost us less overall to take up the option. |
He's managed 60 games in 2 and a half years here, people seem to be overlooking that. And given that the main thing he offers is goals his strike rate of 1 in 3 is decent but not spectacular. Is it worth it given his age and all the other issues? Not for me. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:50 - Dec 30 with 2954 views | itfcsuth |
I think exc. LWB which is an absolute necessity, our business will be dependent on outgoing business.
Everyone at this club is for sale, we are a League 1 side, it will always be dependent on the fee offered. |  | | |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:50 - Dec 30 with 2952 views | Churchman |
In two and a half seasons 59 appearances, 25 goals. That’s an excellent goals ratio. The problem is his fitness. He’s not played enough games and at 31 isn’t getting any younger.
I appreciate he’s a bit of a cult figure for many and disliked for the known reasons by others. I don’t know the bloke and don’t wish to so performance alone, what he’s done in two and a half years here, I’d let him go at the end of the season. [Post edited 30 Dec 2021 18:07]
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:53 - Dec 30 with 2926 views | Keaneish |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:37 - Dec 30 by jayessess |
The "intermittent spells" is part of the player though, isn't it? Absolutely no reason to believe a 32-year-olds' injury record or going to start improving.
FWIW I agree it's a decent return and yes, all strikers have lean patches. I'd definitely recruit Bonne on the basis that he's a good age and a good all-round centre forward. I'd hesitate on Norwood because he's 32, injury-prone and the rest of his game isn't great. |
On the point that his all round game could be better, I agree. However, the dirty side of it is invaluable. After his spat with Stewart he gave it back to him and was in his ear all night after he scored. It was Stewart who blazed over in the final few minutes wasn’t it? Irrespective if it wasn’t, he got the better of him as the game went on. These little things help massively and there’s no niceness playing against Norwood. It’s old fashioned but effective and it’s suited to League One. There are definitely better out there but there’s inherent qualities players learn climbing the divisions, which others of different stock don’t have. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 17:15 - Dec 30 with 2862 views | jayessess |
| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 16:43 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Don't forget we let David McGoldrick go aged 30 due to his injury record and the cost of keeping him.
I am definitely not saying Norwood is in the same class as McGoldrick but I think his past record for different managers in dysfunctional "teams" with poor tactics is a good reason to let him go. I do accept there may be other good reasons such as not being able to afford him. However, if we cannot afford him, we are not going to replace him with anyone as good. No one is guaranteed to never be unavailable. |
I think with both Norwood and McGoldrick, the key question was about replacements. McGoldrick we had zero plan for what we were going to replace him with.
With Norwood, you'd like to think that we're already working through potential striker options and thinking about who might improve us. I'm sure we can afford Norwood, but that doesn't mean we can afford/find squad space for both him and whoever else we've got in mind as striker. | |
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| Norwood - sell in Jan / Keep to end of season / New contract? on 18:06 - Dec 30 with 2705 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
We would be mad to sell him.
Offer a new contract. Whether he signs it or not, keep to the end of the season.
I think he actually loves being at the club, maybe the pressure got to him? Hopefully Dyer has helped him finally settle? |  |
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