| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:09 - Mar 16 with 1643 views | GeoffSentence |
Is that because we don't have one main supply line for opportunities, and assists are spread around a number of different players or because our strike force doesn't make the most of the opportunities supplied? |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:13 - Mar 16 with 1614 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:09 - Mar 16 by GeoffSentence |
Is that because we don't have one main supply line for opportunities, and assists are spread around a number of different players or because our strike force doesn't make the most of the opportunities supplied? |
Probably a bit of both, but Wigan for example have 3 players in the top 20.
We are 10th as a team for assists and goals which is probably why we are where we are. |  | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:14 - Mar 16 with 1601 views | BseaBlue |
I think some of that is because we haven't take some big chances as well though. I am sure I've seen something somewhere which shows Celina in the top three for key passes/chances created.
Hopefully we can find that 20 goal a season striker in the summer to put them away. (Fingers crossed we keep Celina too!) |  | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:21 - Mar 16 with 1571 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Other issue is that we rotate our front 3 so much that its difficult for any of them to get the stats to get on the list. |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:23 - Mar 16 with 1566 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:21 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Other issue is that we rotate our front 3 so much that its difficult for any of them to get the stats to get on the list. |
We’re only rotating them because none are scoring with any frequency | | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:26 - Mar 16 with 1550 views | itfcjoe |
Assists does not equal creativity |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:28 - Mar 16 with 1543 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:26 - Mar 16 by itfcjoe |
Assists does not equal creativity |
It’s not equal i agree, but it’s an indication of our impotency in the final 3rd compared to our rivals | | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:28 - Mar 16 with 1540 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:23 - Mar 16 by ElderGrizzly |
We’re only rotating them because none are scoring with any frequency |
I don't think that's the case.
I think KM rotates based on individual strengths and who we are playing against.
You need to give players a sustained run of games to get consistency. | |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:29 - Mar 16 with 1532 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:28 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think that's the case.
I think KM rotates based on individual strengths and who we are playing against.
You need to give players a sustained run of games to get consistency. |
To a degree, but I believe if we had Bonne in the form he was in in the first 18 games he would start every game. | | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:32 - Mar 16 with 1516 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:29 - Mar 16 by ElderGrizzly |
To a degree, but I believe if we had Bonne in the form he was in in the first 18 games he would start every game. |
If he had continued that form I think QPR would have sold him. It was never going to last. | |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:39 - Mar 16 with 1497 views | clive_baker |
I think it'll be interesting to see if KM sticks with the back 3 with wingbacks that's we've gone for since he joined, I'm not sure if that's a preferred system of his or a needs must. United tend to play a back 4, I remember Spurs having some success with this system but not sure if that aligned with KM's time there.
A part of me thinks we've gone with 3 at the back because he doesn't think we're good enough or robust enough defensively for a back 4, and it's certainly made us a tougher nut to crack, although that's due to far more than shape and the back 3. Maybe we haven't had the personnel in his mind, especially on the left hand side. Burns plays with a great freedom anyway but a solid and dependable left back would perhaps free up Edwards to kick on ahead of him. He's a rough diamond and in no way the finished article but I do feel like he could thrive under KM's wing. He seems to like the box of 3 centrally, probably being Morsy, Evans + 1, and the 1 up top who I would wager won't be someone currently at the club. For all the talk of not as much change in the summer, which there won't be, we'll still be looking at 10 in and 10 out I would think including loans. |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:42 - Mar 16 with 1470 views | davblue |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:28 - Mar 16 by ElderGrizzly |
It’s not equal i agree, but it’s an indication of our impotency in the final 3rd compared to our rivals |
even if we improved our set pieces that all adds up on assists and goals scored (i know that's an obvious statement) it's appears something we need to improve, i haven't looked at the stats but i assume ours is middle to lower on goals scored from set pieces. |  | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 10:05 - Mar 16 with 1340 views | Fixed_It |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:39 - Mar 16 by clive_baker |
I think it'll be interesting to see if KM sticks with the back 3 with wingbacks that's we've gone for since he joined, I'm not sure if that's a preferred system of his or a needs must. United tend to play a back 4, I remember Spurs having some success with this system but not sure if that aligned with KM's time there.
A part of me thinks we've gone with 3 at the back because he doesn't think we're good enough or robust enough defensively for a back 4, and it's certainly made us a tougher nut to crack, although that's due to far more than shape and the back 3. Maybe we haven't had the personnel in his mind, especially on the left hand side. Burns plays with a great freedom anyway but a solid and dependable left back would perhaps free up Edwards to kick on ahead of him. He's a rough diamond and in no way the finished article but I do feel like he could thrive under KM's wing. He seems to like the box of 3 centrally, probably being Morsy, Evans + 1, and the 1 up top who I would wager won't be someone currently at the club. For all the talk of not as much change in the summer, which there won't be, we'll still be looking at 10 in and 10 out I would think including loans. |
I really like Edwards. End product is obviously his issue. Next season I'd play him with the instruction NOT to shoot* - take that responsibility off his shoulders so that he just concentrates on creating.
*unlrss its a tap-in obviously [Post edited 16 Mar 2022 10:06]
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 10:34 - Mar 16 with 1272 views | SheffordBlue |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 10:05 - Mar 16 by Fixed_It |
I really like Edwards. End product is obviously his issue. Next season I'd play him with the instruction NOT to shoot* - take that responsibility off his shoulders so that he just concentrates on creating.
*unlrss its a tap-in obviously [Post edited 16 Mar 2022 10:06]
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I think he's one of those players who probably needed a goal to unlock a steady stream of them. Hopefully McKenna and the rest of coaching team can turn him into a left sided Burns for next season. |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 10:57 - Mar 16 with 1234 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:39 - Mar 16 by clive_baker |
I think it'll be interesting to see if KM sticks with the back 3 with wingbacks that's we've gone for since he joined, I'm not sure if that's a preferred system of his or a needs must. United tend to play a back 4, I remember Spurs having some success with this system but not sure if that aligned with KM's time there.
A part of me thinks we've gone with 3 at the back because he doesn't think we're good enough or robust enough defensively for a back 4, and it's certainly made us a tougher nut to crack, although that's due to far more than shape and the back 3. Maybe we haven't had the personnel in his mind, especially on the left hand side. Burns plays with a great freedom anyway but a solid and dependable left back would perhaps free up Edwards to kick on ahead of him. He's a rough diamond and in no way the finished article but I do feel like he could thrive under KM's wing. He seems to like the box of 3 centrally, probably being Morsy, Evans + 1, and the 1 up top who I would wager won't be someone currently at the club. For all the talk of not as much change in the summer, which there won't be, we'll still be looking at 10 in and 10 out I would think including loans. |
I'd be surprised if we change from a back 3. We look so comfortable playing with it and it switches pretty fluidly into a 4-2-3-1 with Burns playing so far forwards and Donacien stepping across. We look so well coached now. | | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 11:09 - Mar 16 with 1187 views | bournemouthblue |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:14 - Mar 16 by BseaBlue |
I think some of that is because we haven't take some big chances as well though. I am sure I've seen something somewhere which shows Celina in the top three for key passes/chances created.
Hopefully we can find that 20 goal a season striker in the summer to put them away. (Fingers crossed we keep Celina too!) |
We do create quite a lot of guilt edged chances which are wasted
I think it's pretty clear that none of our strikers quite fit into the system McKenna wants to play, it seems to have rendered Bonne pretty ineffective and Jackson of all the strikers seems to fit the mould for what McKenna wants but is still not the long term answer I suspect. [Post edited 16 Mar 2022 11:09]
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 11:26 - Mar 16 with 1122 views | Darth_Koont |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 09:39 - Mar 16 by clive_baker |
I think it'll be interesting to see if KM sticks with the back 3 with wingbacks that's we've gone for since he joined, I'm not sure if that's a preferred system of his or a needs must. United tend to play a back 4, I remember Spurs having some success with this system but not sure if that aligned with KM's time there.
A part of me thinks we've gone with 3 at the back because he doesn't think we're good enough or robust enough defensively for a back 4, and it's certainly made us a tougher nut to crack, although that's due to far more than shape and the back 3. Maybe we haven't had the personnel in his mind, especially on the left hand side. Burns plays with a great freedom anyway but a solid and dependable left back would perhaps free up Edwards to kick on ahead of him. He's a rough diamond and in no way the finished article but I do feel like he could thrive under KM's wing. He seems to like the box of 3 centrally, probably being Morsy, Evans + 1, and the 1 up top who I would wager won't be someone currently at the club. For all the talk of not as much change in the summer, which there won't be, we'll still be looking at 10 in and 10 out I would think including loans. |
I think we’re already a back 4 as Donacien and Thompson are pretty much playing as fullbacks.
But yes we can strengthen the middle with Donacien moving there when we’re under pressure and defending. So still a bit of a hybrid. |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 17:12 - Mar 16 with 853 views | HighgateBlue |
An assist is only an assist if a goal is scored. I suggest we focus on getting in a goal scorer. It's plainly taking our chances which is the main problem. |  | | |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 17:26 - Mar 16 with 814 views | Vic |
| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 17:12 - Mar 16 by HighgateBlue |
An assist is only an assist if a goal is scored. I suggest we focus on getting in a goal scorer. It's plainly taking our chances which is the main problem. |
That was my first thought too! After a blistering start when we created little but scored loads (a high conversion rate) we seem to create more but score few.
I’d be interested to see the stats on chances created because like others have pointed out, assists are not the whole story. |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 17:59 - Mar 16 with 767 views | chicoazul |
Assists reflect a teams ability to score goals not create chances to score goals. No good being Celina if you’re feeding Rory Fallon and Samassi Abou, your assists numbers will be diabolical. |  |
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| Focus for the summer has to be on creativity on 18:39 - Mar 16 with 713 views | jayessess |
Celina's 11th for chances created per 90 and lots of the players above him take more set pieces. Last I checked he was near the top of the league for "expected assists" too, which measures the quality of chances.
I don't think you can look at our last 2 months and conclude our problem is chance creation. Since losing to Sheffield Wednesday, not a single team has statistically created more chances than us in a game and only two (Gillingham and MK Dons) have been close. We're now at 6 "xg wins" in a row. No use to us of course, but suggests our problem is taking rather than making chances. |  |
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