| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? 10:52 - Oct 10 with 4667 views | unstableblue |
We’re seven games in, with 4 points, from 4 draws and 3 losses.
Scored 6, 1 from Szmodics and Morsy, and positively 4 from Delap.
We’ve conceded 14, -8 Goal Difference (Saints and Everton worse having shipped 15, Wolves 21).
Positively we are still out of the bottom 3, sitting just above Palace, Saints and Wolves. And in the Brighton, Villa and Fulham games we’ve seen real promise.
As McKenna says we will improve, and have probably the most players to bed in and gel compared to our rivals.
But a win has eluded us and we approach the 10 game mark on 0.57 PPG not the holy grail of 1PPG needed over the season (yes I know you might need less, but that has to be the minimum target).
Getting to 10 points after 10 games would be very positive, given the teams we’ve played. But is obviously not essential for survival given recent history. Bournemouth were only on 6 after 10 last season. But of note the bottom 3 after 10 were Luton, Burnley and Blades on 5, 4 and 1. And that’s how it stayed.
The season before Villa were only on 9 after 10! But the eventually relegated teams Leeds, Southampton and Leicester were on 9, 7 and 4 respectively.
So hitting 10 after 10 is not essential, but would be a good marker and historically a positive position.
The 3 matches to take us to ten are:
Sat 19 Oct 3pm Portman Road - Everton
Sat 26 Oct 3pm Gtech Stadium - Brentford
Sat 2 Nov 3 pm Portman Road - Leicester
Can we get to 6 points and take ourselves to 10 after 10, and I’d suggest to be outside the bottom 3. I don’t think so. I think 4 or 5 is more likely, a draw and CRUCIALLY a win.
Phil/TWTD asked the question on X - “How important has the Everton game become? Can you talk about must-win matches at this stage?”
I think the Everton game is important from a performance and not losing perspective - Ipswich were poor at West Ham and need to bounce back, with player performances that were strewn with errors and below the level necessary. Phillips and Johnson WERE the worst actors and given they were brought in for Premiership experience deserve criticism, but criticism that is balanced.
Everton have drawn, won and drawn and have some good players and an experienced manager. I don’t think it a MUST win.
But I would say, Town MUST win in these next three games. And taking 4 points from Saints and Leicester our promotion peers is also a key to survival (3 at home and 1 away) - So Leicester at home becomes important.
The Portman Road atmosphere will play a factor.
But going into then Spurs away, Man U at home, international break with only say 4, 5, 6 points after 10 games, with the teams played at home - I think there would be room for concern.
But we have Kieran McKenna and I’m expecting a response after the London Stadium.
What do you think?? How many points after 10? A must win from the next 3?
[Post edited 10 Oct 2024 11:24]
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 10:56 - Oct 10 with 4325 views | FrimleyBlue |
Woah hang on, Phillips one of the worst v westham? how does Morsy escape such a label in that game? |  |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:01 - Oct 10 with 4306 views | gringoblue |
Sorry to be a pedant, but we've scored 6 in the league and Delap has 4 of them. |  | | |
| That’s the pedantry we need - have updated (n/t) on 11:04 - Oct 10 with 4275 views | unstableblue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:01 - Oct 10 by gringoblue |
Sorry to be a pedant, but we've scored 6 in the league and Delap has 4 of them. |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:08 - Oct 10 with 4257 views | unstableblue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 10:56 - Oct 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Woah hang on, Phillips one of the worst v westham? how does Morsy escape such a label in that game? |
I watched live, and then like a saddo rewatched the whole game, Phillips early mistakes were poor and costly, but he did improve.
Johnson had some positive moments, but it wasn’t just the pass back, he looked a bit jittery and uncomfortable on the ball.
As for Morsy - and it’s a game of opinions - I thought he was one of the better players of a bad bunch of performances.
But to the question - how many points after 10 games? must we win one of the next three? | |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:12 - Oct 10 with 4246 views | Superblue95 |
The next 3 aren’t easy games by any means but they’re probably the least difficult little run we’ll have all season.
Really need to get some points on the board. If we’re still winless after the Leicester game then I think we’re in serious trouble. |  |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:18 - Oct 10 with 4218 views | Vaughan8 |
Lets be honest, we need to start winning, especially at home and Everton and Leicester are games we should be having a good chance at getting that. Minimum of 4 from those 2 games.
Brentford away I feel (maybe rather deludedly) we can get something. Just stop them scoring in the first 2 mins.....! |  | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:20 - Oct 10 with 4194 views | unstableblue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:12 - Oct 10 by Superblue95 |
The next 3 aren’t easy games by any means but they’re probably the least difficult little run we’ll have all season.
Really need to get some points on the board. If we’re still winless after the Leicester game then I think we’re in serious trouble. |
The cliche that there are no easy games in the Premier League rings true… and I think Everton and Brentford will be tough.
But we have a chance especially at home, and with PR rocking. I think McKenna can outsmart Dyche.
But I agree over those two and especially Leicester - who again are doing OK under Cooper - to it get a win, I’d begin to get concerned. Not ‘serious trouble’. But concerned.
But in McKenna we trust. I bet he finds these international breaks frustrating. | |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:22 - Oct 10 with 4179 views | Dubtractor |
I agree that whilst the next game isn't necessarily a must win, we absolutely must have a win on the board within the next 3. |  |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:28 - Oct 10 with 4148 views | SomethingBlue |
Think it's fair to say we need a win, ideally four points or more, from Everton and Leicester. Rather not invest too much in individual games though at this point. It doesn't help, it sets players and management up for a fall. Some of our fans inexplicably thought we were going to travel down to West Ham and breeze it and that's only led to pants-wetting among a minority. | |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:41 - Oct 10 with 4073 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:08 - Oct 10 by unstableblue |
I watched live, and then like a saddo rewatched the whole game, Phillips early mistakes were poor and costly, but he did improve.
Johnson had some positive moments, but it wasn’t just the pass back, he looked a bit jittery and uncomfortable on the ball.
As for Morsy - and it’s a game of opinions - I thought he was one of the better players of a bad bunch of performances.
But to the question - how many points after 10 games? must we win one of the next three? |
You'd hope we can win 1 or 2. But this side is so raw I've no idea when it'll have enough in it to win a prem game.
It will get better. But I think we will have to wait a little longer after another international break ruining our efforts | |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:45 - Oct 10 with 4052 views | HighgateBlue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:22 - Oct 10 by Dubtractor |
I agree that whilst the next game isn't necessarily a must win, we absolutely must have a win on the board within the next 3. |
Clearly it's getting a little frustrating not to have won yet, and for a little while we've been the only Premier League team which has not won in ANY competition yet. We would all love for that to change. And it would doubtless have a positive impact on morale and confidence.
However, I disagree that we absolutely must win one (i.e. any one) of the next three, for the following reasons.
Consider these two alternative scenarios:
1) we beat Brentford and lose the other two games in the next three.
2) we draw our next three games.
How can it be said that we absolutely must avoid 2), in favour of 1)? I would argue that scenario 2) is markedly better than 1), because we would be points neutral against both Everton and Leicester. Whereas in scenario 1) Everton and Leicester both get a three point boost against us. Brentford are top half and we're playing them away. This away game is not a six-pointer.
So three more draws would be frustrating, but I think they would be better than beating Brentford and losing the other two.
We all view Leicester and Everton as being very very important games. They are at home against 2 of our 4 weakest rivals. At the very least, avoiding defeat in those games is very important.
I think you could argue that if we fail to beat Leicester and Everton we're in deep trouble, more than a quarter of the way through the season and without a home win. But then, if we draw both home games and beat Brentford then that scenario isn't actually so bad, and I think most would take 5 points from the next three games.
I don't think there are any individual "must win" games at this stage of the season. What does "must win" even mean? It clearly doesn't mean we're arithmetically relegated unless we win. Neither does it mean that fans will give up and assume we're definitely down unless we win. Does it make it more likely that we will go down if we don't win? Yes. But that's true of any game until relegation is determined one way or the other. |  | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:48 - Oct 10 with 4037 views | unstableblue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:28 - Oct 10 by SomethingBlue |
Think it's fair to say we need a win, ideally four points or more, from Everton and Leicester. Rather not invest too much in individual games though at this point. It doesn't help, it sets players and management up for a fall. Some of our fans inexplicably thought we were going to travel down to West Ham and breeze it and that's only led to pants-wetting among a minority. |
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It’s a block of three games. 4 points and a win and we’re in a good place after 10 on 8 points. Which games the win comes from immaterial.
I think fans were rightly buoyed after the Villa game, and the false impression West Ham were struggling at home - albeit there was some pressure on their manager. But the West Ham squad quality meant Town had to be at their very best, and we had a collective no show from the players. But McKennas team had some bad away days last season, well beaten, and has the ability to bounce back.
Need some really good backing at PR, 3pm Saturday kick-offs will help. [Post edited 10 Oct 2024 12:01]
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 06:44 - Oct 11 with 3546 views | Blue_Heath |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:45 - Oct 10 by HighgateBlue |
Clearly it's getting a little frustrating not to have won yet, and for a little while we've been the only Premier League team which has not won in ANY competition yet. We would all love for that to change. And it would doubtless have a positive impact on morale and confidence.
However, I disagree that we absolutely must win one (i.e. any one) of the next three, for the following reasons.
Consider these two alternative scenarios:
1) we beat Brentford and lose the other two games in the next three.
2) we draw our next three games.
How can it be said that we absolutely must avoid 2), in favour of 1)? I would argue that scenario 2) is markedly better than 1), because we would be points neutral against both Everton and Leicester. Whereas in scenario 1) Everton and Leicester both get a three point boost against us. Brentford are top half and we're playing them away. This away game is not a six-pointer.
So three more draws would be frustrating, but I think they would be better than beating Brentford and losing the other two.
We all view Leicester and Everton as being very very important games. They are at home against 2 of our 4 weakest rivals. At the very least, avoiding defeat in those games is very important.
I think you could argue that if we fail to beat Leicester and Everton we're in deep trouble, more than a quarter of the way through the season and without a home win. But then, if we draw both home games and beat Brentford then that scenario isn't actually so bad, and I think most would take 5 points from the next three games.
I don't think there are any individual "must win" games at this stage of the season. What does "must win" even mean? It clearly doesn't mean we're arithmetically relegated unless we win. Neither does it mean that fans will give up and assume we're definitely down unless we win. Does it make it more likely that we will go down if we don't win? Yes. But that's true of any game until relegation is determined one way or the other. |
Sorry, but surely all home games against bottom 8 teams are 'must win' on the basis it's unlikely we will get many points elsewhere.
Everton is massive, for me we have to win that and ideally Leicester too but 4 points wouldn't be a disaster if we can do something at Brentford. | | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 07:12 - Oct 11 with 3496 views | victorysquad |
I would say it is a must win.
We need to return to the approach vs villa,
Cautious and hit them hard on the counter. We lack the quality to do an out and out slugfest
But every game we must look to go and win now with that approach, not just the next few | |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 07:29 - Oct 11 with 3471 views | Benters |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:22 - Oct 10 by Dubtractor |
I agree that whilst the next game isn't necessarily a must win, we absolutely must have a win on the board within the next 3. |
This. |  |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 08:30 - Oct 11 with 3410 views | PioneerBlue |
By definition, Must Win is only must win when you must win. In football that is the point when beyond that point it’s unrealistic to collect the points necessary to achieve your goals! I’d say a Win in the next 3 is very important for the collective spirit and to help confidence linked with step by step improvements. I’m looking at the league and knew it would be hard the it’s really showing how difficult the task is when you look at every game and think, a draw would be a decent result! Lets hope by Xmas the team is playing at a more consistent and higher level than when we started in Aug. | |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 12:43 - Oct 11 with 3268 views | RobTheMonk |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 10:56 - Oct 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Woah hang on, Phillips one of the worst v westham? how does Morsy escape such a label in that game? |
I love Morsy, but thought he had quite a poor game. His positioning to take the balls off the centre backs was at times too conservative. There's no need to be standing 3 yards away from a centre back who has loads of space. |  | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 14:35 - Oct 11 with 3157 views | unstableblue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 08:30 - Oct 11 by PioneerBlue |
By definition, Must Win is only must win when you must win. In football that is the point when beyond that point it’s unrealistic to collect the points necessary to achieve your goals! I’d say a Win in the next 3 is very important for the collective spirit and to help confidence linked with step by step improvements. I’m looking at the league and knew it would be hard the it’s really showing how difficult the task is when you look at every game and think, a draw would be a decent result! Lets hope by Xmas the team is playing at a more consistent and higher level than when we started in Aug. |
I agree with your definition of a Must Win… BUT… if we need 10 wins and 8 draws to survive (or 8 wins and 14 draws).. surely you need to win most of your home games against the bottom 6ish teams at the very least… therefore surely we MUST win one against Everton or Leicester or we’re just accelerating the mathematical Must win [Post edited 11 Oct 2024 14:48]
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 22:52 - Oct 11 with 2948 views | mellowblue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 14:35 - Oct 11 by unstableblue |
I agree with your definition of a Must Win… BUT… if we need 10 wins and 8 draws to survive (or 8 wins and 14 draws).. surely you need to win most of your home games against the bottom 6ish teams at the very least… therefore surely we MUST win one against Everton or Leicester or we’re just accelerating the mathematical Must win [Post edited 11 Oct 2024 14:48]
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the whole concept of must win is dangerous, the pressure it adds in the build up and during that game, then post match the morale that must suffer if you then do not win. Must win is only a concept for us fans at this stage. But if we do not win soon, it doesn't bode well. | | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 00:11 - Oct 12 with 2889 views | reusersfreekicks |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 10:56 - Oct 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Woah hang on, Phillips one of the worst v westham? how does Morsy escape such a label in that game? |
Cos he was much better |  | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 07:43 - Oct 12 with 2698 views | textbackup |
We need a win asap, to just brush off each game as ‘a point is good’ feels a bit desperate at times (even though a point often is good!) |  |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 08:07 - Oct 12 with 2642 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:22 - Oct 10 by Dubtractor |
I agree that whilst the next game isn't necessarily a must win, we absolutely must have a win on the board within the next 3. |
I’d settle for losing the next 3 if we win all our games after than  |  |
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| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 08:33 - Oct 12 with 2615 views | Cafe_Newman |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:45 - Oct 10 by HighgateBlue |
Clearly it's getting a little frustrating not to have won yet, and for a little while we've been the only Premier League team which has not won in ANY competition yet. We would all love for that to change. And it would doubtless have a positive impact on morale and confidence.
However, I disagree that we absolutely must win one (i.e. any one) of the next three, for the following reasons.
Consider these two alternative scenarios:
1) we beat Brentford and lose the other two games in the next three.
2) we draw our next three games.
How can it be said that we absolutely must avoid 2), in favour of 1)? I would argue that scenario 2) is markedly better than 1), because we would be points neutral against both Everton and Leicester. Whereas in scenario 1) Everton and Leicester both get a three point boost against us. Brentford are top half and we're playing them away. This away game is not a six-pointer.
So three more draws would be frustrating, but I think they would be better than beating Brentford and losing the other two.
We all view Leicester and Everton as being very very important games. They are at home against 2 of our 4 weakest rivals. At the very least, avoiding defeat in those games is very important.
I think you could argue that if we fail to beat Leicester and Everton we're in deep trouble, more than a quarter of the way through the season and without a home win. But then, if we draw both home games and beat Brentford then that scenario isn't actually so bad, and I think most would take 5 points from the next three games.
I don't think there are any individual "must win" games at this stage of the season. What does "must win" even mean? It clearly doesn't mean we're arithmetically relegated unless we win. Neither does it mean that fans will give up and assume we're definitely down unless we win. Does it make it more likely that we will go down if we don't win? Yes. But that's true of any game until relegation is determined one way or the other. |
It's a shame you don't post more frequently. |  | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 09:37 - Oct 12 with 2545 views | billlm |
Need a win in there somewhere for a morale booster ideally 4 points but I'd take three, slow trejectory, |  | | |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 09:40 - Oct 12 with 2535 views | billlm |
| 10 game milestone approaches. Can we hit 10 points? Do we use ‘MUST win’? on 11:41 - Oct 10 by FrimleyBlue |
You'd hope we can win 1 or 2. But this side is so raw I've no idea when it'll have enough in it to win a prem game.
It will get better. But I think we will have to wait a little longer after another international break ruining our efforts |
It's shocked me the gulf in talent,
We have the desire and fight but is that enough I'm beginning to question that( never giving up just like the team), | | | |
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