| From The Athletic on last night match 13:00 - Feb 27 with 4907 views | Pinewoodblue |
Harsh final sentence.
Powering into the encyclopaedia of home league debuts from hell: Patrick Dorgu for Manchester United.
His role in one of two wet concessions by United last night was surpassed in eye-bleeding terms by him hacking through the left shin of Ipswich Town’s Omari Hutchinson a few minutes before half-time. There are red cards, and then there is Dorgu’s.
With 10 men, and gnawing incompetence notwithstanding, United edged the game 3-2. I’m not sure if that says more about them or Ipswich, who are increasingly wasting space in the Premier League.
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:03 - Feb 27 with 3981 views | J2BLUE |
It's almost like the gap is near impossible to bridge these days. |  |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:04 - Feb 27 with 3973 views | portmanking |
As disappointed as I was in the 2nd half last night, I am irked by reporters going in on us. It's trendy for reporters to rip relegation fodder to shreds, I know, but they're just cheap shots IMO. |  | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:28 - Feb 27 with 3762 views | berkstractorboy |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:04 - Feb 27 by portmanking |
As disappointed as I was in the 2nd half last night, I am irked by reporters going in on us. It's trendy for reporters to rip relegation fodder to shreds, I know, but they're just cheap shots IMO. |
It's as if reporters really don't understand the gap in quality for promoted teams and how years of PL finances support the funding of vastly superior squads.
Man City spent more in the last transfer window improving their squad than we have all season and look at the squad base they started from. More perspective is needed.
Wasting space when you look over the whole season is beyond harsh, get some of the officiating decisions correct and we very likely have more points. The performance last night however is where you could argue what's the point, but that's 45 mins of the season. | | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:34 - Feb 27 with 3702 views | hoppy |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:03 - Feb 27 by J2BLUE |
It's almost like the gap is near impossible to bridge these days. |
An obvious thing to say, but will say it anyway... survival is the key to that.
Forest got promoted in 20/21 season. Struggling in a relegation fight for the most part since, but currently sitting in 3rd place. |  |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:34 - Feb 27 with 3704 views | Linners |
It shouldn't trigger me, but it does. I hate this nonsense we have to put up with. The media spend forever talking about how much the promoted teams will struggle and then make a big deal of it when they do struggle, like it's news.
The "they're not really good enough for this level" takes are so infuriating as they make it sounds like they've just worked that out, when in fact everyone was saying it in August. So glad we (probably) won't have that bull to deal with next season.
And as for wasting space...compared to what exactly? Like the one armed man not being very good at fighting the lions... |  | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:39 - Feb 27 with 3642 views | Superblue95 |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:04 - Feb 27 by portmanking |
As disappointed as I was in the 2nd half last night, I am irked by reporters going in on us. It's trendy for reporters to rip relegation fodder to shreds, I know, but they're just cheap shots IMO. |
Why do so many care what is said about us? I really don’t get it.
People moan when we get criticised as not good enough.
People moan when nice things are said about how far we’ve come as it’s ‘patronising’.
People moan when nobody talks about us.
Plenty in the media are idiots but sometimes they can’t win. |  |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:43 - Feb 27 with 3589 views | NedPlimpton |
Ouch!
Wasting space that would otherwise be filled with Burnley or Sheff utd? They hardly faired much better. Fair enough, Leeds might make a go of it, but people probably thought the same about Leicester |  | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:45 - Feb 27 with 3559 views | TheBoyBlue |
It's almost like the Premier League and the media are normalising promoted teams as a waste of space so as to eventually get rid of relegation altogether... | |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:50 - Feb 27 with 3490 views | Linners |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:45 - Feb 27 by TheBoyBlue |
It's almost like the Premier League and the media are normalising promoted teams as a waste of space so as to eventually get rid of relegation altogether... |
I do wonder what this would do to the PL. If they lost relegation then they'd have to restructure quite considerably to prevent 80%+ of games being largely irrelevant. That said, if the gap between the Champ and PL continues to grow then that will happen anyway as relegation will only ever mean a year away. | | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:56 - Feb 27 with 3442 views | Basuco |
You would like to think that a competent football journalist would know there is a very large and growing gap between the Championship and the PL, it is unbelievable that they do not recognise or acknowledge this. Maybe if the three promoted teams keep getting relegated every year they might soon see this. |  | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 14:39 - Feb 27 with 3291 views | homer_123 |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:50 - Feb 27 by Linners |
I do wonder what this would do to the PL. If they lost relegation then they'd have to restructure quite considerably to prevent 80%+ of games being largely irrelevant. That said, if the gap between the Champ and PL continues to grow then that will happen anyway as relegation will only ever mean a year away. |
You go down the god awful American Football route..... |  |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 15:58 - Feb 27 with 3025 views | FrimleyBlue |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:03 - Feb 27 by J2BLUE |
It's almost like the gap is near impossible to bridge these days. |
Tbh J2. Think this gap thing is just a supporter excuse more than actual realism.
Is there a gap. Of course
Should we be doing worse as the season progresses though. No.
That gap was as big in August as it is in February yet we've got worse despite reducing that gap in the meantime. |  |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:02 - Feb 27 with 3022 views | _clive_baker_ |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:50 - Feb 27 by Linners |
I do wonder what this would do to the PL. If they lost relegation then they'd have to restructure quite considerably to prevent 80%+ of games being largely irrelevant. That said, if the gap between the Champ and PL continues to grow then that will happen anyway as relegation will only ever mean a year away. |
I've got a feeling Leeds will stay up. They've got a much stronger squad than we had and they'll spend some money. Also a bit of fear factor about Elland Road potentially. Shame for them they've got the perennial premier league loser Farke in charge. |  | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:07 - Feb 27 with 2978 views | _clive_baker_ |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 15:58 - Feb 27 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh J2. Think this gap thing is just a supporter excuse more than actual realism.
Is there a gap. Of course
Should we be doing worse as the season progresses though. No.
That gap was as big in August as it is in February yet we've got worse despite reducing that gap in the meantime. |
Must just be a coincidence that the 3 promoted teams are all going back down again for a 2nd season then.
And our PPG is broadly the same in the first half of the games we've played this season as the 2nd half. | | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:15 - Feb 27 with 2923 views | ITFCSG |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:07 - Feb 27 by _clive_baker_ |
Must just be a coincidence that the 3 promoted teams are all going back down again for a 2nd season then.
And our PPG is broadly the same in the first half of the games we've played this season as the 2nd half. |
Yes but if you look at games individually, besides Fulham and Villa which were draws we have performed worse in our second match against the same team this season.
Liverpool both losses, from 0-2 to 4-1
Man City both losses, from 4-1 to 0-6
Brighton from drawing 0-0 to losing 0-2
Saints from drawing 1-1 to losing 1-2
Spurs from winning 1-2 to losing 1-4
ManUre from drawing 1-1 to losing against 10 men 3-2
And it is clear from the way we are playing we have gone into a shell and performance levels have dropped. I don't see much fight from any players, many just seem to go through the motions especially in the second half.
For one, you don't see the aimless tippy-tappy passes and headless chicken running in our early games vs Liverpool, Fulham and Villa at home. Now they are a frequent occurrence every match. | | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:28 - Feb 27 with 2857 views | Reus30 |
Good, I am glad they ripped on us.
Last two seasons, we have been the underdog, the forgotten, the fourth horse in a 3 horse race. We used that, stuck it on the board and shoved it down their throats.
Hopefully we will do the same now. Hopefully the players feel the rage I feel. Use it as fuel. |  | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:44 - Feb 27 with 2755 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 13:28 - Feb 27 by berkstractorboy |
It's as if reporters really don't understand the gap in quality for promoted teams and how years of PL finances support the funding of vastly superior squads.
Man City spent more in the last transfer window improving their squad than we have all season and look at the squad base they started from. More perspective is needed.
Wasting space when you look over the whole season is beyond harsh, get some of the officiating decisions correct and we very likely have more points. The performance last night however is where you could argue what's the point, but that's 45 mins of the season. |
They will argue Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest, Bournmouth, Fulham, Brentford, and even Newcastle/Brighton (who were both in the Championship fairly recently in the context of history) have managed to bridge the gap "easily" enough. I have these conversations with other "Prem" fans regularly, they just see Ipswich as a little club and won't be here long, or back soon. Hopefully, we will prove them wrong.
Last night, however, the manager got it wrong, and there wasn't anything in our team as individuals to turn it in our favour. We're going down, we have to simply take this as a lesson and try and do better if we get a shot at it next time. |  |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:46 - Feb 27 with 2731 views | TractorWood |
United were bleeding and limping at half time and we helped them to their feet and gifted them a really quite comfortable win.
The manner of the defeats in the last 6/7 are particularly frustrating. The press are obviously being ruthless but it's the best league in the world. |  |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:51 - Feb 27 with 2687 views | orfordbuoy |
we can argue that it's unfair, but our image this season, outside the twtd's bubble, is pretty shambolic. [Post edited 27 Feb 16:51]
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:59 - Feb 27 with 2590 views | orfordbuoy |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:51 - Feb 27 by orfordbuoy |
we can argue that it's unfair, but our image this season, outside the twtd's bubble, is pretty shambolic. [Post edited 27 Feb 16:51]
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Positivity thinks we don't have a poor image this season around the globe. Reality issues, maybe. | | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 17:05 - Feb 27 with 2564 views | ITFCSG |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:51 - Feb 27 by orfordbuoy |
we can argue that it's unfair, but our image this season, outside the twtd's bubble, is pretty shambolic. [Post edited 27 Feb 16:51]
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Of course its shambolic, taking off the blue-tinted glasses people around me who are fans of different (both Prem and non-Prem clubs) have been commenting how s*hite we are knowing I am a Town fan so guess what they will say among themselves.
Last night I was watching the ManUre match on TV with 2 Watford fans who said we looked much worse than their team when they were in the Prem. Also bemoaned the negative backwards and sideways passing etc. If even fans of other clubs and neutrals can see why can't we?
The media and pundits will have come to the same conclusions.
We aren't "plucky little Luton" due to our much superior history and higher spending this season, so we don't get the "get out of jail free" card like Luton had.
Amongst ourselves, especially on TWTD many people still think its blasphemous to have any form of criticism against KM, MA and the ownership team. Perhaps it's time to take a closer look. | | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 17:12 - Feb 27 with 2490 views | orfordbuoy |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 17:05 - Feb 27 by ITFCSG |
Of course its shambolic, taking off the blue-tinted glasses people around me who are fans of different (both Prem and non-Prem clubs) have been commenting how s*hite we are knowing I am a Town fan so guess what they will say among themselves.
Last night I was watching the ManUre match on TV with 2 Watford fans who said we looked much worse than their team when they were in the Prem. Also bemoaned the negative backwards and sideways passing etc. If even fans of other clubs and neutrals can see why can't we?
The media and pundits will have come to the same conclusions.
We aren't "plucky little Luton" due to our much superior history and higher spending this season, so we don't get the "get out of jail free" card like Luton had.
Amongst ourselves, especially on TWTD many people still think its blasphemous to have any form of criticism against KM, MA and the ownership team. Perhaps it's time to take a closer look. |
Yep. That a pretty prestigious sports publication has been so, so damning and yet so many responses on here have defended and justified our poor season suggests many are not accepting the reality of this season. We have simply not got better, as the season has progressed, as McKenna stated we would.
The hope is, in the medium to long term, this is just a blip. | | | |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 17:36 - Feb 27 with 2342 views | TractorWood |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 17:12 - Feb 27 by orfordbuoy |
Yep. That a pretty prestigious sports publication has been so, so damning and yet so many responses on here have defended and justified our poor season suggests many are not accepting the reality of this season. We have simply not got better, as the season has progressed, as McKenna stated we would.
The hope is, in the medium to long term, this is just a blip. |
I still see people taking about luck, belief and bad decisions.
The blue tinted denial is ridiculous. | |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 17:40 - Feb 27 with 2315 views | positivity |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:59 - Feb 27 by orfordbuoy |
Positivity thinks we don't have a poor image this season around the globe. Reality issues, maybe. |
nope, just my experience of talking to people outside of orford!
there's a far greater proportion of pearl-clutching woe-is-me snowflakes (who barely posted while we were on the way up) on here... | |
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| From The Athletic on last night match on 17:40 - Feb 27 with 2315 views | berkstractorboy |
| From The Athletic on last night match on 16:44 - Feb 27 by SaffronWaldenBlues |
They will argue Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest, Bournmouth, Fulham, Brentford, and even Newcastle/Brighton (who were both in the Championship fairly recently in the context of history) have managed to bridge the gap "easily" enough. I have these conversations with other "Prem" fans regularly, they just see Ipswich as a little club and won't be here long, or back soon. Hopefully, we will prove them wrong.
Last night, however, the manager got it wrong, and there wasn't anything in our team as individuals to turn it in our favour. We're going down, we have to simply take this as a lesson and try and do better if we get a shot at it next time. |
I genuinely think its much harder now as the FA seem to actually be using PSR more so to hold teams to account. I don't know if that is just perception and clubs were still compliant or there was far more leeway and reluctance to charge a team. Year on year everything is going up, prize money, transfer fees etc so to accumulate the quality of squad someone like Brentford did when they came up I would think is comparatively much higher now.
I am not financially astute enough to know if it really is much harder financially than when the clubs you listed were promoted. Add to that 20 years away from Prem surely adds another dimension of financial weakness.
Where we are lacking compared to those clubs when they came up is probably overseas recruitment and picking un a bargain or 2 for much less fees.
Genuinely would love to know how a Brighton or Brentford with the models they had would cope in the current Premiership if they had been out of the PL for 20+ years and had to build a squad based on todays costs under current PSR rules. That would be a better comparison to know if we have made a really bad fist of this season rather than cheap jibes from journos looking for clicks. [Post edited 27 Feb 17:50]
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