| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? 09:01 - Aug 28 with 30208 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:47 - Aug 28 with 2275 views | chicoazul |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:43 - Aug 28 by DanTheMan |
Just seen that it looks like it is.
Unbelievable. |
Is it unbelievable though? I think I know what you mean but you have to remember who we are dealing with here, and it's not "Boris" it's Cummings and the other thuggish libertarians and anti-democrats "Boris" has surrounded himself with.
Anyway it's all over. No Deal is happening. We face years of the fat blonde cnt and his mates slowly continuing to run down the infrastructure systems and institutions of this once-great nation before we beg to get let back in to the EU (with full membership incl. the Euro) in 2035. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:48 - Aug 28 with 2277 views | NthQldITFC |
Firstly, I am apolitical. I don't know enough about Brexit to have a strong opinion either way.
Is this move at all likely to generate any kind of last-minute modification of the EU's position on renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement, by making it less possible for No Deal to be blocked?
Just asking, not expressing an opinion. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:49 - Aug 28 with 2263 views | chicoazul |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:48 - Aug 28 by NthQldITFC |
Firstly, I am apolitical. I don't know enough about Brexit to have a strong opinion either way.
Is this move at all likely to generate any kind of last-minute modification of the EU's position on renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement, by making it less possible for No Deal to be blocked?
Just asking, not expressing an opinion. |
Maybe, but doubtful. That's probably the plan though. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:49 - Aug 28 with 2262 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:22 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
Boris Johnson's Cabinet (as effectively a quorum of the Privy Council) is asking the Queen to suspend the sitting of Parliament for a time, presumably until after October 31st.
Would prevent MPs attempting to block or delay a No Deal Brexit through votes in the Commons.
As far as I can remember, nobody has tried to do that since the 17th century. |
Didn't John Major sort of do it by calling a general election and stopping something being debated in the house. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:50 - Aug 28 with 2245 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:32 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
It puts the Queen in a very awkward position, as the Privy Council are effectively her legal and constitutional advisors. Very difficult to refuse what they are suggesting.
She could, possibly, convene a meeting of the entire Privy Council, a much larger body of some 650 members (including senior Opposition MPs). |
She could hold a vote  |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:51 - Aug 28 with 2236 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:48 - Aug 28 by NthQldITFC |
Firstly, I am apolitical. I don't know enough about Brexit to have a strong opinion either way.
Is this move at all likely to generate any kind of last-minute modification of the EU's position on renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement, by making it less possible for No Deal to be blocked?
Just asking, not expressing an opinion. |
I think you're probably right in that thats the motive.
If Boris is not negotiate a new deal, then he needs to appear to be hell bent on being prepared to take the no deal route.
....however, I'm not sure he really wants to negotiate. | |
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| Well then on 09:54 - Aug 28 with 2240 views | Bobbychase |
My generation headed to Trafalgar Square to get rid of the Poll Tax. Not in favour of smashing things and burning buildings usually but back then, only serious disorder got attention. Might be time for that again |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:55 - Aug 28 with 2221 views | BrixtonBlue |
I warned of this two weeks ago.
Boris and his Purdah plan by BrixtonBlue 12 Aug 2019 13:47Is this right?
The Cabinet Office imposes Purdah before elections. This is a period of roughly six weeks in which Government Departments are not allowed to communicate with members of the public about any new or controversial Government initiatives (such as modernisation initiatives, and administrative and legislative changes).
By calling for a snap general election while October the 31st is within 6 weeks, Boris can effectively prevent opposition to a no-deal Brexit from discussing, or even tabling new legislation, all while avoiding negative press about this particular issue.
So he can push through a no-deal without anyone being able to stop him, simply by calling an election 6 weeks before the 31st October?!
To the streets, comrades! |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:56 - Aug 28 with 2218 views | Guthrum |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:46 - Aug 28 by tractordownsouth |
Boris Johnson is a fascist. I don’t throw that word around lightly, but bypassing our sovereign parliament to get through what he wants is quite literally the definition of fascism. It’s dictator-Esque stuff. |
I don't like the use of that word, as it has a certain specific meaning and historical context (the 1920s and '30s primarily in Italy, but also Spain and much of Central/Eastern Europe), quite different to how it is often thrown about. It has economic elements, many of them quite left wing*.
It would be far better to use words like "authoritarian" or "dictator", perhaps coin a new term.
* Before the partisans shot Mussolini, they asked him "Why did you betray socialism?" |  |
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| Well then on 09:56 - Aug 28 with 2213 views | chicoazul |
| Well then on 09:54 - Aug 28 by Bobbychase |
My generation headed to Trafalgar Square to get rid of the Poll Tax. Not in favour of smashing things and burning buildings usually but back then, only serious disorder got attention. Might be time for that again |
We are far less free now than we were then although you are probably right. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:57 - Aug 28 with 2213 views | GeoffSentence |
Fwcking tories have always had a tendency to authoritarianism.
This just confirms their credentials as an anti-democratic party.
It beggars belief that anyone actually votes for them.
Any of you who do, shame on you. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:58 - Aug 28 with 2186 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:57 - Aug 28 by GeoffSentence |
Fwcking tories have always had a tendency to authoritarianism.
This just confirms their credentials as an anti-democratic party.
It beggars belief that anyone actually votes for them.
Any of you who do, shame on you. |
...no one voted for Boris. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:58 - Aug 28 with 2199 views | NthQldITFC |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:51 - Aug 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think you're probably right in that thats the motive.
If Boris is not negotiate a new deal, then he needs to appear to be hell bent on being prepared to take the no deal route.
....however, I'm not sure he really wants to negotiate. |
Thanks, and chicoazul. So this move effectively makes both Deal and No Deal (somewhat) more likely!?
Forcing the issue, what. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:59 - Aug 28 with 2191 views | chicoazul |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:55 - Aug 28 by BrixtonBlue |
I warned of this two weeks ago.
Boris and his Purdah plan by BrixtonBlue 12 Aug 2019 13:47Is this right?
The Cabinet Office imposes Purdah before elections. This is a period of roughly six weeks in which Government Departments are not allowed to communicate with members of the public about any new or controversial Government initiatives (such as modernisation initiatives, and administrative and legislative changes).
By calling for a snap general election while October the 31st is within 6 weeks, Boris can effectively prevent opposition to a no-deal Brexit from discussing, or even tabling new legislation, all while avoiding negative press about this particular issue.
So he can push through a no-deal without anyone being able to stop him, simply by calling an election 6 weeks before the 31st October?!
To the streets, comrades! |
you also said he might be a good Prime Minister. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:59 - Aug 28 with 2179 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:55 - Aug 28 by BrixtonBlue |
I warned of this two weeks ago.
Boris and his Purdah plan by BrixtonBlue 12 Aug 2019 13:47Is this right?
The Cabinet Office imposes Purdah before elections. This is a period of roughly six weeks in which Government Departments are not allowed to communicate with members of the public about any new or controversial Government initiatives (such as modernisation initiatives, and administrative and legislative changes).
By calling for a snap general election while October the 31st is within 6 weeks, Boris can effectively prevent opposition to a no-deal Brexit from discussing, or even tabling new legislation, all while avoiding negative press about this particular issue.
So he can push through a no-deal without anyone being able to stop him, simply by calling an election 6 weeks before the 31st October?!
To the streets, comrades! |
By the looks of it, it was a hot topic two weeks ago. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:59 - Aug 28 with 2191 views | chicoazul |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:56 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
I don't like the use of that word, as it has a certain specific meaning and historical context (the 1920s and '30s primarily in Italy, but also Spain and much of Central/Eastern Europe), quite different to how it is often thrown about. It has economic elements, many of them quite left wing*.
It would be far better to use words like "authoritarian" or "dictator", perhaps coin a new term.
* Before the partisans shot Mussolini, they asked him "Why did you betray socialism?" |
Sshhhh, people don't like to be reminded of that Socialism stuff, hits too close to home for many. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:00 - Aug 28 with 2188 views | Guthrum |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:49 - Aug 28 by Pinewoodblue |
Didn't John Major sort of do it by calling a general election and stopping something being debated in the house. |
Not really the same, as a GE allows the country to change the Government. This is merely temporarily dismissing Parliament in order to continue governing without the interference of the people's elected representatives. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:04 - Aug 28 with 2154 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:59 - Aug 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
By the looks of it, it was a hot topic two weeks ago. |
Not the same thing . | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:05 - Aug 28 with 2147 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:59 - Aug 28 by chicoazul |
you also said he might be a good Prime Minister. |
Yeah might. Which also means might not. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:05 - Aug 28 with 2138 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:58 - Aug 28 by NthQldITFC |
Thanks, and chicoazul. So this move effectively makes both Deal and No Deal (somewhat) more likely!?
Forcing the issue, what. |
I've no idea to be honest, its about half an hour since I found out what it means to 'prorogue parliament'.
It seems like hard core brinkmanship to me.
The problem is, none of us no whether Boris wants to negotiate with the EU or not. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:06 - Aug 28 with 2136 views | chicoazul |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:05 - Aug 28 by BrixtonBlue |
Yeah might. Which also means might not. |
I dont remember you saying many reasons why he might not be, happy to be corrected. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:07 - Aug 28 with 2135 views | Guthrum |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:48 - Aug 28 by NthQldITFC |
Firstly, I am apolitical. I don't know enough about Brexit to have a strong opinion either way.
Is this move at all likely to generate any kind of last-minute modification of the EU's position on renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement, by making it less possible for No Deal to be blocked?
Just asking, not expressing an opinion. |
That may be what Johnson's advisors are hoping. However, there is really very little room for movement on the EU's part, given the further red lines which the UK government has added to those which may was insisting upon - plus the lack of anything more than vague platitudes regarding in-place technical solutions to the Irish border issue.
It's not as if Johnson is going all out on attempting to forge a last minute agreement. He's only just sent one moderately senior person over to Brussels to have some preliminary chats. It's not like he has a ministerially-led team in round-the-clock negotiations. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:07 - Aug 28 with 2130 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:59 - Aug 28 by chicoazul |
you also said he might be a good Prime Minister. |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:08 - Aug 28 with 2116 views | Weekender |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:26 - Aug 28 by PJH |
Good point, she should say "go away, I am on holiday". |
Maybe Boris will get an out of office and the whole thing will fail? |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:09 - Aug 28 with 2111 views | crunchie1978 |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:46 - Aug 28 by tractordownsouth |
Boris Johnson is a fascist. I don’t throw that word around lightly, but bypassing our sovereign parliament to get through what he wants is quite literally the definition of fascism. It’s dictator-Esque stuff. |
how on earth have you reached that ridiculous conclusion? |  | | |
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