| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? 09:01 - Aug 28 with 30211 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:11 - Aug 28 with 2079 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:06 - Aug 28 by chicoazul |
I dont remember you saying many reasons why he might not be, happy to be corrected. |
You understand how language works don't you? "Might" equally means "might not." That's how the word works.
The reasons why he might not were/are already known and well documented. There was no need for me to repeat them. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:14 - Aug 28 with 2066 views | tractordownsouth |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:09 - Aug 28 by crunchie1978 |
how on earth have you reached that ridiculous conclusion? |
He’s bypassing parliament ( which is sovereign, as per the constitution) to get through his own desired outcome, because he knows he doesn’t have the numbers in parliament to do it... how is that not fascism? He’s literally ignoring the constitution. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:14 - Aug 28 with 2066 views | Guthrum |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:47 - Aug 28 by chicoazul |
Is it unbelievable though? I think I know what you mean but you have to remember who we are dealing with here, and it's not "Boris" it's Cummings and the other thuggish libertarians and anti-democrats "Boris" has surrounded himself with.
Anyway it's all over. No Deal is happening. We face years of the fat blonde cnt and his mates slowly continuing to run down the infrastructure systems and institutions of this once-great nation before we beg to get let back in to the EU (with full membership incl. the Euro) in 2035. |
I really can't see a Johnson government surviving No Deal very long, especially if it goes anywhere near as badly as some authorities expect, doubly so if he's had to indulge in anti-democratic shenanigans to get it through.
How much plundering is allowed to happen depends upon who comes after and what their options are.
That last is the saddest bit of the whole scenario. The waste of time, money and prosperity, leaving us in a far less advantageous position than before. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:15 - Aug 28 with 2064 views | NthQldITFC |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:07 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
That may be what Johnson's advisors are hoping. However, there is really very little room for movement on the EU's part, given the further red lines which the UK government has added to those which may was insisting upon - plus the lack of anything more than vague platitudes regarding in-place technical solutions to the Irish border issue.
It's not as if Johnson is going all out on attempting to forge a last minute agreement. He's only just sent one moderately senior person over to Brussels to have some preliminary chats. It's not like he has a ministerially-led team in round-the-clock negotiations. |
'It's not like he has a ministerially-led team in round-the-clock negotiations.'
Let's hope that comes to pass in the next few days then, with humility and positivity on both sides - I realise that may be a somewhat naive hope! |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:19 - Aug 28 with 2039 views | Herbivore |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:14 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
I really can't see a Johnson government surviving No Deal very long, especially if it goes anywhere near as badly as some authorities expect, doubly so if he's had to indulge in anti-democratic shenanigans to get it through.
How much plundering is allowed to happen depends upon who comes after and what their options are.
That last is the saddest bit of the whole scenario. The waste of time, money and prosperity, leaving us in a far less advantageous position than before. |
Boris' bluster and unstoppable press machine will ensure he wins a GE if one is held post-Brexit, no matter how badly it goes. Any negative consequences of Brexit will be blamed on the EU and/or remainers for refusing to back British interests. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:25 - Aug 28 with 2022 views | Trequartista |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 09:42 - Aug 28 by SomethingBlue |
Absolutely. In fact there needs to be civil disobedience on a massive scale. I fear this country in general is far too passive for that though. |
Are you going to be taking to the streets if the national referendum result is ignored, which I would suggest is more anti-democratic, or do you just protest against the anti-democratic measures you don't agree with? |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:25 - Aug 28 with 2016 views | Guthrum |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:19 - Aug 28 by Herbivore |
Boris' bluster and unstoppable press machine will ensure he wins a GE if one is held post-Brexit, no matter how badly it goes. Any negative consequences of Brexit will be blamed on the EU and/or remainers for refusing to back British interests. |
Not convinced about that. I tend to think it will be a hung Parliament, with the current alliance of Conservatives + DUP unable to command a majority. Best chance of a government might be some sort of LD-Lab-SNP-Green pact, tho it's debateable whether Corbyn would be acceptable as leader of that. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 with 2019 views | No9 |
Just announced the Queens speech will be on October 14
Anyone interested in stopping him must now write to their MP |  | | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 with 2012 views | crunchie1978 |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:14 - Aug 28 by tractordownsouth |
He’s bypassing parliament ( which is sovereign, as per the constitution) to get through his own desired outcome, because he knows he doesn’t have the numbers in parliament to do it... how is that not fascism? He’s literally ignoring the constitution. |
Hes bypassing parliament who seem intent on reversing a democratic decision....is he fascist or is parliament fascist? | | | |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 with 2009 views | Herbivore |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:25 - Aug 28 by Trequartista |
Are you going to be taking to the streets if the national referendum result is ignored, which I would suggest is more anti-democratic, or do you just protest against the anti-democratic measures you don't agree with? |
Nobody voted for no deal you plum. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:27 - Aug 28 with 2005 views | GeoffSentence |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 by No9 |
Just announced the Queens speech will be on October 14
Anyone interested in stopping him must now write to their MP |
Written to mine. Last time I did that it took weeks to get a response from the useless fvcker. By the time he gets round to it it will all be done and dusted. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:28 - Aug 28 with 1995 views | Guthrum |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 by crunchie1978 |
Hes bypassing parliament who seem intent on reversing a democratic decision....is he fascist or is parliament fascist? |
Parliament are not currently seeking to stop Brexit, only to prevent leaving without a deal or agreement. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:31 - Aug 28 with 1979 views | Herbivore |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:25 - Aug 28 by Guthrum |
Not convinced about that. I tend to think it will be a hung Parliament, with the current alliance of Conservatives + DUP unable to command a majority. Best chance of a government might be some sort of LD-Lab-SNP-Green pact, tho it's debateable whether Corbyn would be acceptable as leader of that. |
If Boris pushes forward with no deal Brexit he takes all of the Brexit Party and UKIP voters. That will see him get a majority. Labour are massively unpopular and Lib Dems support is too spread out. FPTP will work in favour of a Tory majority. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:31 - Aug 28 with 1975 views | SomethingBlue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:25 - Aug 28 by Trequartista |
Are you going to be taking to the streets if the national referendum result is ignored, which I would suggest is more anti-democratic, or do you just protest against the anti-democratic measures you don't agree with? |
Just not a fan of authoritarian governments mate — if you are, then keep on loving it. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:32 - Aug 28 with 1968 views | BloomBlue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 by crunchie1978 |
Hes bypassing parliament who seem intent on reversing a democratic decision....is he fascist or is parliament fascist? |
But people voted to leave the EU, parliament voted to invoke article 50 and some MPs still want to stop it so those MPs are ignoring the constitution and that's fascism then.
That's the problem with this situation the same 'expressions' can be used on both sides of the arguement. |  | | |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:34 - Aug 28 with 1944 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:32 - Aug 28 by BloomBlue |
But people voted to leave the EU, parliament voted to invoke article 50 and some MPs still want to stop it so those MPs are ignoring the constitution and that's fascism then.
That's the problem with this situation the same 'expressions' can be used on both sides of the arguement. |
The referendum wasn't legally binding. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:37 - Aug 28 with 1923 views | Trequartista |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 by Herbivore |
Nobody voted for no deal you plum. |
Nobody voted for or against no deal as it wasn't on the ballot paper. You are just clinging onto that narrative because you don't like the result. I don't like the result either. But i think ignoring a national referendum is more anti-democratic. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:38 - Aug 28 with 1910 views | tractordownsouth |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 by crunchie1978 |
Hes bypassing parliament who seem intent on reversing a democratic decision....is he fascist or is parliament fascist? |
Parliament is legally sovereign so has a right to debate it and give its views on Brexit, as well as making the necessary changes. So no Parliament is not fascist. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:39 - Aug 28 with 1895 views | m14_blue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:31 - Aug 28 by Herbivore |
If Boris pushes forward with no deal Brexit he takes all of the Brexit Party and UKIP voters. That will see him get a majority. Labour are massively unpopular and Lib Dems support is too spread out. FPTP will work in favour of a Tory majority. |
I think this is Boris instigating a vote of no confidence.
He wants an election but can’t be seen to call one.
Clever politics but absolutely despicable and shows the contempt he holds for our great democracy. | | | |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:39 - Aug 28 with 1889 views | Bobbychase |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:32 - Aug 28 by BloomBlue |
But people voted to leave the EU, parliament voted to invoke article 50 and some MPs still want to stop it so those MPs are ignoring the constitution and that's fascism then.
That's the problem with this situation the same 'expressions' can be used on both sides of the arguement. |
Nobody voted for a No Deal. It wasn't on the ballot |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:40 - Aug 28 with 1883 views | Darth_Koont |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:26 - Aug 28 by Herbivore |
Nobody voted for no deal you plum. |
Not only that but of course Article 50 was passed by parliament and the process to leave was begun.
It's only by ignoring the reality of the referendum campaign, the narrow result and the past three years of Brexiteer incompetence and self-sabotage that people can pretend that the government's current "Brexit at all costs" approach is in any way democratic.
We live in a world where a lot of politicians are dishonest and a lot of the electorate are too. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:42 - Aug 28 with 1861 views | Trequartista |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:31 - Aug 28 by SomethingBlue |
Just not a fan of authoritarian governments mate — if you are, then keep on loving it. |
I am in agreement that it is anti-democratic - you haven't addressed my point at all though. | |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:43 - Aug 28 with 1855 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:39 - Aug 28 by m14_blue |
I think this is Boris instigating a vote of no confidence.
He wants an election but can’t be seen to call one.
Clever politics but absolutely despicable and shows the contempt he holds for our great democracy. |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:43 - Aug 28 with 1855 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:39 - Aug 28 by m14_blue |
I think this is Boris instigating a vote of no confidence.
He wants an election but can’t be seen to call one.
Clever politics but absolutely despicable and shows the contempt he holds for our great democracy. |
That suggestion seems to be gaining traction on the Twittersphere. An 'interesting' move if so. |  |
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| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:43 - Aug 28 with 1852 views | Herbivore |
| Liz to be asked to Prorogue parliament today? on 10:32 - Aug 28 by BloomBlue |
But people voted to leave the EU, parliament voted to invoke article 50 and some MPs still want to stop it so those MPs are ignoring the constitution and that's fascism then.
That's the problem with this situation the same 'expressions' can be used on both sides of the arguement. |
The previous parliament voted to trigger Article 50, not this one. Also, nobody voted for no deal so being opposed to no deal is not a betrayal of democracy in the slightest. There can be no justification for shutting down parliament. | |
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