| Let's get it out there on the record then... 12:40 - Oct 29 with 67420 views | SpruceMoose |
Voting intention?
Spruce: Currently undecided. |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:10 - Oct 29 with 3885 views | bluelagos |
If I lived in a marginal, whoever was most remain favouring candidate.
I don't. Will be voting green. |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:12 - Oct 29 with 3875 views | GeoffSentence |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 13:48 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
It matters little in my constituency:
Labour - Diane Abbott - 42,265 (75.1%)
Tory - Amy Gray - 7,126
Libs - Joe Richards - 3,817
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And in so many others although many have different party incumbents. In reality our elections are won and lost in a handful of marginals.
WIth our current system I would love to be in a marginal, all those goodies that all sides promise to throw at the constituents.
Anything but a proper PR system is totally undemocratic. And don't get me started on The House Of Lords. |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:19 - Oct 29 with 3855 views | bluelagos |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:12 - Oct 29 by GeoffSentence |
And in so many others although many have different party incumbents. In reality our elections are won and lost in a handful of marginals.
WIth our current system I would love to be in a marginal, all those goodies that all sides promise to throw at the constituents.
Anything but a proper PR system is totally undemocratic. And don't get me started on The House Of Lords. |
Nail on head. Around 80 swing seats will be decided by say 5000 swing voters in each.
Wonder if the Libs or SNP held the balance of power they might actually insist on it rather than prioritise 2nd ref (EU - Scott Ind). Suspect they'd get one but not both in those scenarios. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:44 - Oct 29 with 3833 views | BrixtonBlue |
Tory.
Only joking, Labour obvs. |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:46 - Oct 29 with 3832 views | StokieBlue |
To be fair, this thread has highlighted how partisan UK politics is.
Plenty of people have decided how they are voting before any manifestos are published or policies discussed.
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:48 - Oct 29 with 3826 views | Sarge |
Lib Dem.
Only party that clearly opposes Brexit, only one with the balls to cancel it and the only (albeit distant) challenger to that spunktrumpet Raab in my constituency. |  | | |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:52 - Oct 29 with 3815 views | BlueNomad |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 13:03 - Oct 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Like it matters in rural Suffolk. |
Same feeling here. Whatever Mrs Pragmatic and I vote we will lose because they don’t count the Tory vote here - they weigh it! |  | | |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:52 - Oct 29 with 3813 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:46 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
To be fair, this thread has highlighted how partisan UK politics is.
Plenty of people have decided how they are voting before any manifestos are published or policies discussed.
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I think it's unlikely Corbyn's policies will have changed much from before. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:53 - Oct 29 with 3807 views | bluelagos |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:46 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
To be fair, this thread has highlighted how partisan UK politics is.
Plenty of people have decided how they are voting before any manifestos are published or policies discussed.
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Think quite a few of us are well versed on what's likely to be in the respective manifestos. Still, if the Tories were to say they'll put their deal to a 2nd ref, and commit to a carbon neutral UK by 2030, I'll happily reconsider. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:54 - Oct 29 with 3804 views | Steve_M |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:52 - Oct 29 by BrixtonBlue |
I think it's unlikely Corbyn's policies will have changed much from before. |
By before you mean the early 1970s I presume? |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:54 - Oct 29 with 3804 views | Herbivore |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:46 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
To be fair, this thread has highlighted how partisan UK politics is.
Plenty of people have decided how they are voting before any manifestos are published or policies discussed.
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That's the beauty of having a GE every 18 months, you already know the headline policies from the last time the election was fought. |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:00 - Oct 29 with 3784 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:53 - Oct 29 by bluelagos |
Think quite a few of us are well versed on what's likely to be in the respective manifestos. Still, if the Tories were to say they'll put their deal to a 2nd ref, and commit to a carbon neutral UK by 2030, I'll happily reconsider. |
Even though you'd know they're lying (again)? | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:00 - Oct 29 with 3779 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:54 - Oct 29 by Steve_M |
By before you mean the early 1970s I presume? |
I was thinking more the last election. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:02 - Oct 29 with 3773 views | SpruceMoose |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:46 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
To be fair, this thread has highlighted how partisan UK politics is.
Plenty of people have decided how they are voting before any manifestos are published or policies discussed.
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I know the devil is in the detail, but I think it's a fair assumption that we know, generally speaking, what each of the parties will be running on and who they truly seek to represent though. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:06 - Oct 29 with 3764 views | bluelagos |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:00 - Oct 29 by BrixtonBlue |
Even though you'd know they're lying (again)? |
Under Boris - no I wouldn't vote for them for the reason you give. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:11 - Oct 29 with 3742 views | itfcjoe |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:46 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
To be fair, this thread has highlighted how partisan UK politics is.
Plenty of people have decided how they are voting before any manifestos are published or policies discussed.
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It also highlights the issues with FPTP in a huge amount of constitiuencies.
Realistically a lot of people will need to weigh up whether they can just vote 'anything but Tory', I'm happy to |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:12 - Oct 29 with 3736 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:54 - Oct 29 by Herbivore |
That's the beauty of having a GE every 18 months, you already know the headline policies from the last time the election was fought. |
Not really Labour stood on a promise to respect the result of the referendum. My vote in Suffolk South isn't g9ing to count. |  |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:13 - Oct 29 with 3736 views | Swansea_Blue |
Not sure yet. It'll be anyone but the Tories, but the problem I've got is that in 2017 Labour were ahead of the Tories by about 3,000 votes and everyone else was about 17,000 behind. I'm not sure I can bring myself to vote Labour either.
We've got a lot of rich English retirees in our patch and the Torygraph and Daily Mail fly off the newsagent shelves, so I imagine the Tory vote will be strong/up due to Brexit. I may have to swallow my pride/values and vote for a party under investigation for antisemitism (although our local MP is nice, if a bit quiet).
Horrendous really, knowing that to vote for one of the parties you'd like to vote for would be a wasted vote. [Post edited 29 Oct 2019 16:22]
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:13 - Oct 29 with 3730 views | GeoffSentence |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:46 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
To be fair, this thread has highlighted how partisan UK politics is.
Plenty of people have decided how they are voting before any manifestos are published or policies discussed.
SB |
The parties major principals don't shift much though do they. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:19 - Oct 29 with 3715 views | StokieBlue |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:13 - Oct 29 by GeoffSentence |
The parties major principals don't shift much though do they. |
In reality you are of course correct.
It's more a conceptual point: what's the point in manifestos at all if people aren't going to take them into account? Might as well just vote tomorrow and not bother with the policies or the campaigning.
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:22 - Oct 29 with 3707 views | SpruceMoose |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:19 - Oct 29 by StokieBlue |
In reality you are of course correct.
It's more a conceptual point: what's the point in manifestos at all if people aren't going to take them into account? Might as well just vote tomorrow and not bother with the policies or the campaigning.
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I suppose there is still value in considering what's outside of a manifesto when you're voting for an extremely local representative. At best they can say 'we believe in these things too' but I need more from them than that. I need to know what they are going to do to improve my immediate situation in the constituency, in addition to those big ticket items. | |
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:26 - Oct 29 with 3699 views | GaryCooper |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 15:52 - Oct 29 by BrixtonBlue |
I think it's unlikely Corbyn's policies will have changed much from before. |
Really? He has flip flopped from a committed leaver to a 180 of remaining, he has more faces than an onion has skins. |  | | |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:28 - Oct 29 with 3695 views | Herbivore |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:12 - Oct 29 by Pinewoodblue |
Not really Labour stood on a promise to respect the result of the referendum. My vote in Suffolk South isn't g9ing to count. |
Their current policy on Brexit is well known though, it's not like there's some secret plan they'll be unleashing. And offering a confirmatory vote is not contrary to respecting the vote in the first referendum either. Their manifesto on all other issues will be largely the same. [Post edited 29 Oct 2019 16:30]
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| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 16:35 - Oct 29 with 3679 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Let's get it out there on the record then... on 13:40 - Oct 29 by uefacup81 |
As an addendum to that, it'll be interesting to see what happens if the non-Tory parties come to some sort of understanding when it comes to Remain-supporting MPs.
Clive Lewis is pretty much as Remain as they come, and if the Greens and Lib Dems agreed to stand aside to aid his cause it would most likely be a Labour landslide. |
Yes, this is what I'm looking out for as it may well reduce my choinces down to one.
You've had hell of a swing away from the LDs over there! That gives me hope that maybe past elections are necessairly a good guide, but I think we're pretty settled here. Labor and Tory have alsways had 70-80%+ of the vote between them.
We've got some poor regions of north west Swansea on the edge of the constituency that are Labour, have been for ever and always will be. And then we've got Gower which is dominated by Tory landowners, former stockbrokers and retired middleclasses that are only ever going to vote Tory or the Brexit Party depending on how Boris is going down.
Hstorically we've always been Labour, but in 2015 the Tories won it. Labour got it back in 2017 but the Tory vote was high (and their candidate since 2015, Bryon Davies, has recently received a pererage for his efforts).
It could be close again this time. | |
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