Why do people hate vegans so much? 10:36 - Feb 9 with 49130 views | monytowbray | Not a literal question, here’s a link. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200203-the-hidden-biases-that-drive-anti-ve I love the fact a physiologist used the term “cognitive dissonance” as I’m sure I’ve made that point a few times before on here and was told I have no idea what the phrase means and I’m just using big words to sound smart :) A lot of the arguments here though were exactly what I went through before choosing to make the jump full time. There’s always a choice. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:24 - Feb 9 with 6353 views | WD19 |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:21 - Feb 9 by eireblue | Well, you also raise a good point. The philosopher Yuval Noah Harari, that writes about future biotech and things, made that extrapolation. Why shouldn’t a future bio-tech-engineered Borg type species, not exploit humans? If human mammals are seen as useful to grow for body parts, or turn out to be more fun to hunt, or taste nice, why not have humans held in free range farmed camps? There is no real reason that shouldn’t be acceptable to a current day person that exploits self-aware mammals today. [Post edited 9 Feb 2020 18:30]
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This will happen. Of if you want a total head fck.....maybe it has already happened and AI is controlling us now. Maybe we are just one big AI experiment......one of multiple ‘universes’ being modelled in parallel to see what happens under different scenarios. |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:27 - Feb 9 with 6341 views | blueconscience |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 17:27 - Feb 9 by eireblue | Technically, it is you forcing a view on the animal that you are stuffing down your neck. And from an environmental perspective, you are using more of the earths resources that is necessary. That tends to be what vegans are talking about. The are not forcing a personal opinion, they are representing equal consideration for animals. |
Do you think an animal would care about your rights when it is chasing you for dinner? |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:29 - Feb 9 with 6331 views | Ryorry |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 17:41 - Feb 9 by eireblue | So you raise an interesting point. Smoking was banned in buildings, because of the perceived harm it could have on people that didn’t smoke. E.g. The rights of some specific mammals to do something un-necessary but something they enjoyed, does not overrule the health of the same specific mammal. The “rights” of the smoker mammals are not respected, they are tolerated with limits, and those limits are imposed by the non-smoking mammals that would be negatively effected. So, there are certain things that you can’t impose on a mammal, if it has a negative consequence on that mammal, purely form the sake of your own personal preference. So if you happen to be a mammal that doesn’t have a voice, or doesn’t have the ability to represent your negative consequences, to the mammal that is imposing their preference, then you need some form of advocate that can represent that negative consequence. Representing something that doesn’t have a voice or the ability to represent itself does not seem to be to be a thing that should draw the sort of hatred referred to in the article. |
I like the way you've argued that, nice one - and it does help when the message is presented via a new/different slant. Kinda reinforces my view that the end goal is more likely to be achieved through gaining people's interest & taking them along with you (ie mean 'you' generally, not you personally), rather than repeatedly lecturing them. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:29 - Feb 9 with 6331 views | Pecker |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:27 - Feb 9 by blueconscience | Do you think an animal would care about your rights when it is chasing you for dinner? |
Good point well made sir. |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:37 - Feb 9 with 6311 views | eireblue |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:27 - Feb 9 by blueconscience | Do you think an animal would care about your rights when it is chasing you for dinner? |
No. But that’s why it is called equal consideration. |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:40 - Feb 9 with 6303 views | WD19 |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:37 - Feb 9 by eireblue | No. But that’s why it is called equal consideration. |
You really should catch up with Facters on this topic. He will tell you about the time, in his youth, when the dinosaurs got together and decided to stop eating early man. Look how that ended for them.... |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:41 - Feb 9 with 6298 views | monytowbray |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:24 - Feb 9 by lowhouseblue | mass produced branded stuff owned by a big corporation based in the phillippines. |
When you’ve drastically (if not completely) stopped using abused animals for food you are welcome to give lectures all you like on the ethics of veganism and how it works. Same for WD17. For now it just comes across exactly as the article in the OP. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:45 - Feb 9 with 6274 views | Pecker |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:41 - Feb 9 by monytowbray | When you’ve drastically (if not completely) stopped using abused animals for food you are welcome to give lectures all you like on the ethics of veganism and how it works. Same for WD17. For now it just comes across exactly as the article in the OP. |
It is called having an opinion Callis old fruit. We are all entitled to an opinion. You may not agree with it, but that is then called a debate. It is what we do on here. Just saying. |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:46 - Feb 9 with 6269 views | eireblue |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:40 - Feb 9 by WD19 | You really should catch up with Facters on this topic. He will tell you about the time, in his youth, when the dinosaurs got together and decided to stop eating early man. Look how that ended for them.... |
Factors said the dinosaurs were very miffed about humans developing technology, and really wished they hade developed writing so the rules about equal consideration were un-ambiguous. |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:50 - Feb 9 with 6253 views | lowhouseblue |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:41 - Feb 9 by monytowbray | When you’ve drastically (if not completely) stopped using abused animals for food you are welcome to give lectures all you like on the ethics of veganism and how it works. Same for WD17. For now it just comes across exactly as the article in the OP. |
i know you don't like it, but no one needs your approval to express an opinion. in terms of the ethics of food - local, sustainable, and independently produced are higher on my list of considerations than the exclusion of all animal products. i'm much happier eating small amounts of locally produced meat from local butchers than i would be eating industrially mass produced and internationally traded muck from huge multi billion fund conglomerates. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:50 - Feb 9 with 6254 views | J2BLUE |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:24 - Feb 9 by lowhouseblue | mass produced branded stuff owned by a big corporation based in the phillippines. |
Why do either of those things matter? Look at how Quorn got started. If a big brewery buys a micro craft brewery does the ownership make any difference to the product? |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:54 - Feb 9 with 6233 views | monytowbray |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:50 - Feb 9 by lowhouseblue | i know you don't like it, but no one needs your approval to express an opinion. in terms of the ethics of food - local, sustainable, and independently produced are higher on my list of considerations than the exclusion of all animal products. i'm much happier eating small amounts of locally produced meat from local butchers than i would be eating industrially mass produced and internationally traded muck from huge multi billion fund conglomerates. |
No you can speak all you like, but still your environmental footprint will be worse off than a vegan who chugs almond milk, so it’s a bit whatteraboutery. I also highly doubt your diet contains 100% locally sourced and you eat nothing from big corporations either. Come back when you’ve done more research. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:55 - Feb 9 with 6226 views | lowhouseblue |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:50 - Feb 9 by J2BLUE | Why do either of those things matter? Look at how Quorn got started. If a big brewery buys a micro craft brewery does the ownership make any difference to the product? |
quorn came out of a joint venture between rank hovis mcdougal and ici? it matters in terms of the sustainability of food. industrially mass produced and internationally trade food is not a sustainable model. local, not transported and independent is. small is beautiful. i care far more about food sourcing than i do about avoiding all animal products. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:58 - Feb 9 with 6210 views | Pecker |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:54 - Feb 9 by monytowbray | No you can speak all you like, but still your environmental footprint will be worse off than a vegan who chugs almond milk, so it’s a bit whatteraboutery. I also highly doubt your diet contains 100% locally sourced and you eat nothing from big corporations either. Come back when you’ve done more research. |
Callis old bean, he is entitled to eat what he likes. |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:59 - Feb 9 with 6203 views | Herbivore |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:29 - Feb 9 by Pecker | Good point well made sir. |
It really isn't. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:01 - Feb 9 with 6194 views | lowhouseblue |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:54 - Feb 9 by monytowbray | No you can speak all you like, but still your environmental footprint will be worse off than a vegan who chugs almond milk, so it’s a bit whatteraboutery. I also highly doubt your diet contains 100% locally sourced and you eat nothing from big corporations either. Come back when you’ve done more research. |
nonsense. i eat meat at most twice a week - and other than skimmed milk in tea i eat almost no dairy. e.g. occasionally (say once a month) some cheese. i haven't been in a supermarket or ordered from one online for at least 5 years. so some self righteous vegan who is importing their high energy industrially produced big business artificial highly packaged stuff from half way round the world has a much bigger environmental footprint than me. sorry. edited for herbivore [Post edited 9 Feb 2020 19:11]
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:04 - Feb 9 with 6176 views | Herbivore |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:01 - Feb 9 by lowhouseblue | nonsense. i eat meat at most twice a week - and other than skimmed milk in tea i eat almost no dairy. e.g. occasionally (say once a month) some cheese. i haven't been in a supermarket or ordered from one online for at least 5 years. so some self righteous vegan who is importing their high energy industrially produced big business artificial highly packaged stuff from half way round the world has a much bigger environmental footprint than me. sorry. edited for herbivore [Post edited 9 Feb 2020 19:11]
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A diary is something that people write appointments and sometimes their thoughts and feelings in. I think the word you're looking for is dairy. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:05 - Feb 9 with 6172 views | Darth_Koont |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 18:54 - Feb 9 by monytowbray | No you can speak all you like, but still your environmental footprint will be worse off than a vegan who chugs almond milk, so it’s a bit whatteraboutery. I also highly doubt your diet contains 100% locally sourced and you eat nothing from big corporations either. Come back when you’ve done more research. |
Just to point out a myth here that people seem to be using more and more .... The “local butcher” aspect is almost entirely irrelevant. It’s what you eat not where it comes from as the transport side is a tiny fraction of the overall effect. It’s only when comparing like for like that where it’s produced and how it’s packaged are decisive factors. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:09 - Feb 9 with 6155 views | jeera |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 17:47 - Feb 9 by Pecker | We are the dominant force in this world, so we get to chose what happens to the dumb animals. That is a joke, obvs. |
I love wildlife, but most would have your face off given the chance. That's not to make any point - just saying. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:10 - Feb 9 with 6151 views | lowhouseblue |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:05 - Feb 9 by Darth_Koont | Just to point out a myth here that people seem to be using more and more .... The “local butcher” aspect is almost entirely irrelevant. It’s what you eat not where it comes from as the transport side is a tiny fraction of the overall effect. It’s only when comparing like for like that where it’s produced and how it’s packaged are decisive factors. |
eating locally produced food is a big part of a sustainable food model. it's about much more than energy used in transport. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:14 - Feb 9 with 6131 views | Ryorry |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:05 - Feb 9 by Darth_Koont | Just to point out a myth here that people seem to be using more and more .... The “local butcher” aspect is almost entirely irrelevant. It’s what you eat not where it comes from as the transport side is a tiny fraction of the overall effect. It’s only when comparing like for like that where it’s produced and how it’s packaged are decisive factors. |
"It’s what you eat not where it comes from as the transport side is a tiny fraction of the overall effect" Even if it's flown in from another continent? |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:18 - Feb 9 with 6117 views | eireblue |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:10 - Feb 9 by lowhouseblue | eating locally produced food is a big part of a sustainable food model. it's about much more than energy used in transport. |
The UK could be food secure, if it adopted a plant based diet, according to a scientific report. So if you want everyone to resort to locally produced food, best way to achieve that in the UK for all, is a plant based diet. The best way, it seems, if you want people to reduce their impact on climate, is for less food miles to be used, then the only sustainable way I have seen that explained with facts figures etc. Is for UK to adopt a plant based diet. If that was someone’s main priority, I would assume they would adopt a plant based diet. |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:18 - Feb 9 with 6118 views | pistonbroke | I don’t hate vegans , I admire them for their beliefs , I am a meat eater but one thing you should always ask is , if you had to kill for your own meat could you , I certainly could not |  | |  |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:18 - Feb 9 with 6117 views | Darth_Koont |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:10 - Feb 9 by lowhouseblue | eating locally produced food is a big part of a sustainable food model. it's about much more than energy used in transport. |
Yes, but what you eat i.e. beef or dairy versus alternatives is much more important in the first place. Then it’s about making better choices. “Local” isn’t sustainable per se. And “global” isn’t unsustainable. In fact, if it’s things like nuts that don’t grow in the UK then there’s the possibility to get a net reduction in emissions even accounting for transport. |  |
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Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:20 - Feb 9 with 6106 views | Darth_Koont |
Why do people hate vegans so much? on 19:14 - Feb 9 by Ryorry | "It’s what you eat not where it comes from as the transport side is a tiny fraction of the overall effect" Even if it's flown in from another continent? |
Flown? |  |
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