| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter 02:17 - Mar 17 with 33545 views | monytowbray |
I hope his press conference tomorrow puts some strong business and vulnerable people support in place. Although I have no idea what could be done at this point. It’s political unchartered territory.
Why can’t we just have all the info now? Or is this like a Netflix series with a cliffhanger at the end of every episode? What’s episode 3? More information about the pumps teaser? |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:52 - Mar 17 with 2168 views | SpruceMoose |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:41 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
Odd you didn't call SB out on the same. |
I didn't call you out either. That's your victim complex talking. I made a humorous observation about TWTD in general. |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:56 - Mar 17 with 2149 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 12:27 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
We should be uniting to kick this government up the arse to sort it. Not just blindly uniting to resign ourselves to unneeded deaths.
Plenty of people agree thanks, you should go actually have a look at social media. |
Oh people on social media agree? Oh let's listen to them then.
People on social media also think that the government created this, Boris wants the elderly to die and Man Utd have a better squad than Liverpool. |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:56 - Mar 17 with 2148 views | Ryorry |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:38 - Mar 17 by footers |
Everyone's trying as best they can in the main. Unbelievably even Johnson.
Just don't see how getting worked up on a forum is going to solve anything, it's only exacerbating an already bad situation. |
I've just read this page only of the thread.
Maybe it helps some work out their frustration at the lack of control over their lives in this situation, or maybe getting worked up is a way of combatting depression? Dunno - my take would be that the time & energy expended would be more profitably spent on acquiring more fruit & veg to munch raw or cook, listening to music, sleeping, and/or other immune-system-boosting measures! |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:57 - Mar 17 with 2147 views | Ely_Blue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 12:39 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
I've been in self-isolation since Wednesday, but feel free to go round spreading the virus for herd immunity. Or not herd immunity. I can't remember which as even today government advisors seem to be saying it again despite Hancock saying this weekend it was nothing to do with herd immunity.
I'll stick with the experts who seem to not be contradicting themselves and lying. |
Please tell me where I said I was going to go around continuing to spread the virus? I’m following the governments advice, ironically so do you seem to be... I didn’t think they were doing it right?
I’m sticking with the experts too, the experts that are advising this country on what to do.
You are still harping on about the weekend, do move on to the important up to date stuff like our experts and government are doing! |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:57 - Mar 17 with 2146 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 12:39 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
I've been in self-isolation since Wednesday, but feel free to go round spreading the virus for herd immunity. Or not herd immunity. I can't remember which as even today government advisors seem to be saying it again despite Hancock saying this weekend it was nothing to do with herd immunity.
I'll stick with the experts who seem to not be contradicting themselves and lying. |
Self isolation or people not wanting to see you and listen to your drivel? | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:01 - Mar 17 with 2128 views | GlasgowBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:38 - Mar 17 by footers |
Everyone's trying as best they can in the main. Unbelievably even Johnson.
Just don't see how getting worked up on a forum is going to solve anything, it's only exacerbating an already bad situation. |
I think it's also important to separate a government taking and acting on the advice of the medical and scientific advisers with a government implementing policies that will help businesses and ordinary working people cope with the financial meltdown that this outbreak will create.
So whilst I've been supportive of the former, I am yet to be convinced that they have a clear plan regarding the latter. |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:05 - Mar 17 with 2114 views | footers |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:01 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue |
I think it's also important to separate a government taking and acting on the advice of the medical and scientific advisers with a government implementing policies that will help businesses and ordinary working people cope with the financial meltdown that this outbreak will create.
So whilst I've been supportive of the former, I am yet to be convinced that they have a clear plan regarding the latter. |
On the medical side, think it's important to just shut up if you know nothing. It's not helpful to add to the pile of mindless speculation that's already out there and causing potential harm.
The political/economic side is certainly up for debate and I don't think there's much doubt the government has been pretty poor here.
But you're right, separating the two is very important. |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:05 - Mar 17 with 2111 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:01 - Mar 17 by GlasgowBlue |
I think it's also important to separate a government taking and acting on the advice of the medical and scientific advisers with a government implementing policies that will help businesses and ordinary working people cope with the financial meltdown that this outbreak will create.
So whilst I've been supportive of the former, I am yet to be convinced that they have a clear plan regarding the latter. |
As I think Dan said earlier, how much is a life worth.
It's a horrible situation for the government.
What if we could limit the dead to 10,000 by shutting the country down but the other side of 5,000,000 are in poverty or financially ruined.
What if you allowed 15,000 to die and cut the figure of those ruined to 1,000,000. Do you save those 4,000,000 from being ruined to allow 5,000 more elderly to die?
What if figures suggested that having 5,000,000 people completely ruined financially would lead to 6,000 suicides? Do you let the extra 5,000 die then?
It's absolutely incomprehensible to work out the decisions being taken that not only affect life, but the NHS moving forward, mental health, financial hardship, crime you name it.
And worst of all is that even if they got every single decision right for the combined good of us all, we won't ever know and they will still be criticised and still feel like they should have done more. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 14:11]
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:07 - Mar 17 with 2105 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:05 - Mar 17 by footers |
On the medical side, think it's important to just shut up if you know nothing. It's not helpful to add to the pile of mindless speculation that's already out there and causing potential harm.
The political/economic side is certainly up for debate and I don't think there's much doubt the government has been pretty poor here.
But you're right, separating the two is very important. |
This is what these utter morons don't realise.
Only one person needs to listen to their BS and they could directly or indirectly kill someone by passing on the virus. I'd have absolutely no problem with special measures being brought in to deal with people who peddle nonsense on social media likely to be harmful and people claiming to be selling cures and so on.
How anyone can stoop that low I do not know. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:11 - Mar 17 with 2083 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:05 - Mar 17 by footers |
On the medical side, think it's important to just shut up if you know nothing. It's not helpful to add to the pile of mindless speculation that's already out there and causing potential harm.
The political/economic side is certainly up for debate and I don't think there's much doubt the government has been pretty poor here.
But you're right, separating the two is very important. |
"The political/economic side is certainly up for debate and I don't think there's much doubt the government has been pretty poor here."
We've been reading different forums the last few days... | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:13 - Mar 17 with 2071 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:07 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
This is what these utter morons don't realise.
Only one person needs to listen to their BS and they could directly or indirectly kill someone by passing on the virus. I'd have absolutely no problem with special measures being brought in to deal with people who peddle nonsense on social media likely to be harmful and people claiming to be selling cures and so on.
How anyone can stoop that low I do not know. |
Most these people are following the advice of the WHO and the sensible stuff other nations are doing.
It's the idiots wandering around because Johnson hasn't given actual set-in-stone advice you want to worry about.
"Not my fault, I told everyone not do to it."
Good approach to policing, that is.
'I'd have absolutely no problem with special measures being brought in to deal with people who peddle nonsense on social media likely to be harmful and people claiming to be selling cures and so on." - Bit of a subject change there. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:14 - Mar 17 with 2064 views | Ryorry |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:05 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
As I think Dan said earlier, how much is a life worth.
It's a horrible situation for the government.
What if we could limit the dead to 10,000 by shutting the country down but the other side of 5,000,000 are in poverty or financially ruined.
What if you allowed 15,000 to die and cut the figure of those ruined to 1,000,000. Do you save those 4,000,000 from being ruined to allow 5,000 more elderly to die?
What if figures suggested that having 5,000,000 people completely ruined financially would lead to 6,000 suicides? Do you let the extra 5,000 die then?
It's absolutely incomprehensible to work out the decisions being taken that not only affect life, but the NHS moving forward, mental health, financial hardship, crime you name it.
And worst of all is that even if they got every single decision right for the combined good of us all, we won't ever know and they will still be criticised and still feel like they should have done more. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 14:11]
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Philosophical theory in large-scale practice - bet Jeremy Bentham & John Stuart Mill never imagined their 'Utilitarianism Principle 'might come to this.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-the-philosophy-of-the-greatest-g | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:16 - Mar 17 with 2059 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 13:45 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
At what stage of everyone on this forum disagreeing with you on every subject, even posters like SB, who are extremely knowledgeable, rational and fair (and I've had run ins with him) do you start to think maybe your views on a lot of stuff are just way off?
I'd love to know what better system you propose for an unbelievable, unprecedented, worldwide disaster above following the advice of actual experts who know the most about what we are likely facing?
You honestly think that the Prime Minister, armed with information, facts and data from experts should ignore this and listen to people like you 'pushing back'?
I f***ing hate Boris Johnson, most politicians and the entirely corrupt system, but the job he is doing now is just unreal in its complexities and nobody in that position would ever get everything right and there is no training or preparation for this kind of thing. Despite hating the bloke, I can't see what more he can do right now than listen to experts and adapt in real time to any new advice and data modelling. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 13:49]
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"The science changed" - Possibly the best cover up for being wrong and throwing the country to the wolves I've ever heard.
As I said, if anyone wants to follow the blind please do. The rest of us with common sense can carry on challenging them. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:16 - Mar 17 with 2056 views | NewcyBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:13 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
Most these people are following the advice of the WHO and the sensible stuff other nations are doing.
It's the idiots wandering around because Johnson hasn't given actual set-in-stone advice you want to worry about.
"Not my fault, I told everyone not do to it."
Good approach to policing, that is.
'I'd have absolutely no problem with special measures being brought in to deal with people who peddle nonsense on social media likely to be harmful and people claiming to be selling cures and so on." - Bit of a subject change there. |
What exactly do you want the government to do?
Put everybody on home arrest? |  |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:17 - Mar 17 with 2050 views | NewcyBlue |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:16 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
"The science changed" - Possibly the best cover up for being wrong and throwing the country to the wolves I've ever heard.
As I said, if anyone wants to follow the blind please do. The rest of us with common sense can carry on challenging them. |
Common sense isn't common.
Nobody is blindly following anything.
On one hand you want BoJo to tell everybody to stay in and want everybody to follow that advice, and on the other hand you don't want people to follow the advice.... | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:18 - Mar 17 with 2048 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:13 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
Most these people are following the advice of the WHO and the sensible stuff other nations are doing.
It's the idiots wandering around because Johnson hasn't given actual set-in-stone advice you want to worry about.
"Not my fault, I told everyone not do to it."
Good approach to policing, that is.
'I'd have absolutely no problem with special measures being brought in to deal with people who peddle nonsense on social media likely to be harmful and people claiming to be selling cures and so on." - Bit of a subject change there. |
I have literally no idea how your brain actually works. Nor do I want to.
Quite how is going from 'people on social media who peddle BS are unhelpful' to 'there should be sanctions people on social media who peddle BS' is a bit of a subject change I don't know.
It's literally a thing that happens and the thing I think should be done to stop the thing.
As for 'sensible stuff other nations are doing' would you recommend Britain does what it's experts recommend is best for Britain or should we adopt whatever policies work best for f***ing Nepal?'.
Maybe a free goat for each household to help us get back on our feet? | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:18 - Mar 17 with 2041 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:16 - Mar 17 by NewcyBlue |
What exactly do you want the government to do?
Put everybody on home arrest? |
At this point, as much as possible, yes.
It seems "stay home but we're not enforcing it" isn't enough.
Lives are involved here and we're not following any "science" but the stuff we made up then drastically changed 2 days later, pretending it was an evolution of the situation and not a huge c0ckup. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:19 - Mar 17 with 2039 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:16 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
"The science changed" - Possibly the best cover up for being wrong and throwing the country to the wolves I've ever heard.
As I said, if anyone wants to follow the blind please do. The rest of us with common sense can carry on challenging them. |
You have as much common sense as Cole Skuse has career goals.
You hit the target once every 100 games Callis. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:19 - Mar 17 with 2034 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:17 - Mar 17 by NewcyBlue |
Common sense isn't common.
Nobody is blindly following anything.
On one hand you want BoJo to tell everybody to stay in and want everybody to follow that advice, and on the other hand you don't want people to follow the advice.... |
That last part is not what I've said at all though.
I want them to pull their fingers out and protect people from both the virus and the changes in our lives whilst this is all going on (and beyond). | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:20 - Mar 17 with 2030 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:19 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
You have as much common sense as Cole Skuse has career goals.
You hit the target once every 100 games Callis. |
When you can address what i post rather than resort to insults you can question my common sense all you like. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:23 - Mar 17 with 2013 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:18 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
At this point, as much as possible, yes.
It seems "stay home but we're not enforcing it" isn't enough.
Lives are involved here and we're not following any "science" but the stuff we made up then drastically changed 2 days later, pretending it was an evolution of the situation and not a huge c0ckup. |
And what if the science says the best thing right now is that 50% of the population isolates, because 100% isolation will lead to problems with mental health, resources and the virus carrying on for longer and 100% carrying as normal will lead to rates of infection that cripple the NHS.
Maybe 'stay home but we are not enforcing it' is because that 50% will be achieved and if they asked 50% of the population to stay at home, people like you would just ignore it.
Let's say the government were not being transparent. It's probably because of people like you analysing and criticising everything they do.
Listen. Most of us agree that the government are a bunch of c***s most of the time. But right now this virus isn't going to spare Boris Johnson's dad because he's important. Literally every person on this planet has someone the love or something they value at risk of disappearing forever and people should be pulling together instead of proving what uneducated, self-entitled muppets they are.
They'll probably be the death of all of us. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:27 - Mar 17 with 2003 views | Ryorry |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:18 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
At this point, as much as possible, yes.
It seems "stay home but we're not enforcing it" isn't enough.
Lives are involved here and we're not following any "science" but the stuff we made up then drastically changed 2 days later, pretending it was an evolution of the situation and not a huge c0ckup. |
Look Callis, CoroV-19 is a completely new thing on this planet.
The only way, and the only time, we will actually know which country/countries managed it best, is in about 18 months' time when we've all been through it, have the experience & the statistics to look back on and analyse. We will then know what the best way is in future.
Till then it's all a matter of guesswork, theories, and juggling of them. If you know anything at all about Chief Medical Officer Whitty - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Whitty - you'll know that we could hardly have a better man in the role right now. Excellent short docu on his life on BBC R4 2 or 3 days ago. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:28 - Mar 17 with 1996 views | monytowbray |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:23 - Mar 17 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
And what if the science says the best thing right now is that 50% of the population isolates, because 100% isolation will lead to problems with mental health, resources and the virus carrying on for longer and 100% carrying as normal will lead to rates of infection that cripple the NHS.
Maybe 'stay home but we are not enforcing it' is because that 50% will be achieved and if they asked 50% of the population to stay at home, people like you would just ignore it.
Let's say the government were not being transparent. It's probably because of people like you analysing and criticising everything they do.
Listen. Most of us agree that the government are a bunch of c***s most of the time. But right now this virus isn't going to spare Boris Johnson's dad because he's important. Literally every person on this planet has someone the love or something they value at risk of disappearing forever and people should be pulling together instead of proving what uneducated, self-entitled muppets they are.
They'll probably be the death of all of us. |
I have not been ignoring it since before the distancing measures were announced.
Please stop making assumptions about me.
We should be proving they are muppets too, this system has gone on for 10 years. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 14:29]
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:30 - Mar 17 with 1989 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:20 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
When you can address what i post rather than resort to insults you can question my common sense all you like. |
I do frequently.
But you are too ignorant to listen.
Earlier up in this thread I praised SB. A bloke I had a big disagreement here with a few months back who I thought was being a massive tool.
On reflection, I didn't agree with everything he did but 80% of that dispute was me being a moron.
This is what people do. We reflect. We realise we are not always right. We listen to others. We take stuff on board. We learn. We evolve.
You just fire off stuff about 'the man', 'society', 'fat cats' and anyone you don't agree with, talk complete rubbish and put your fingers in your ears. | |
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| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:31 - Mar 17 with 1982 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| #JohnsonMustGo trending on Twitter on 14:28 - Mar 17 by monytowbray |
I have not been ignoring it since before the distancing measures were announced.
Please stop making assumptions about me.
We should be proving they are muppets too, this system has gone on for 10 years. [Post edited 17 Mar 2020 14:29]
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Why would I stop making assumptions about you? I'm on a roll.
Every time I make one, you come along and post something to confirm it. | |
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