| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ 13:10 - Apr 22 with 10246 views | MaySixth |
he has run rings round the Tories again
no wonder they wanted the students in opposition
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:48 - Apr 23 with 710 views | Leaky |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 13:27 - Apr 22 by BlueBadger |
You love incompetent, lying, far-right borderline sociopaths, we get it. You're a stuck record. [Post edited 22 Apr 2020 13:39]
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No I don't i prefer the conservative party thank you |  | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:50 - Apr 23 with 705 views | m14_blue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:44 - Apr 23 by Pinewoodblue |
Labour is a broad church, but we only hear from the mouthy. |
Now that I can agree with. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:51 - Apr 23 with 703 views | Mullet |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:44 - Apr 23 by Pinewoodblue |
Labour is a broad church, but we only hear from the mouthy. |
That's mostly because the press in this country are overwhelmingly Tory propaganda outlets for large chunks of time unfortunately.
The pernicious myth that the BBC is "lefty" rather than balanced and run by journalists instead of elitist rich kids like their competition tends to be. The way in which Diane Abbot is targeted vs. the hypocritical umbrage at Patel getting mocked means that Labour would never manage a female/ethnic minority leader and be successful.
The press have made that a clear indication of "metropolitan elite" indulgence and a warning sign that Labour "don't care about you". Which is ironic given the "PC gone mad" "identity politics" frothing of the right. |  |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:53 - Apr 23 with 696 views | footers |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:46 - Apr 23 by m14_blue |
I don’t think you read what he said properly.
I make Pinewood completely wrong. Anyone who thinks the working class Labour areas that turned Tory last time are desperate for a black woman to represent them is way off the mark.
I don’t mean that as an insult but I’ve spent almost my whole life in the ‘Red wall’ and this just isn’t remotely what the problem was with Corbyn. The fact they all voted for Boris shows that rich, white and London centric aren’t necessarily a block. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 11:46]
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The problem is that many have become accustomed to the culture of politics by soundbite. I'm not sure this is Starmer's strongest suit either, and obviously Corbyn was terrible with messaging discipline. If Johnson just repeats 'Get Brexit done' or whatever, then it's far likely to get more traction in the media than anything more sensible that Labour say, unfortunately.
I'm personally not convinced about Starmer's charisma, despite his many positive qualities. A little bit of fire on the frontbench is what Labour needs imo, something which was missing from pretty much all candidates for leader. Keir, however, is the best of a bad bunch. So we'll have to wait and see. |  |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:57 - Apr 23 with 689 views | Darth_Koont |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 10:38 - Apr 23 by Herbivore |
Incorrect. It would help you greatly if you actually read my post carefully before replying.
Labour need to appeal to people that would consider voting Labour and that may have done in the past. There's not much point in them trying to appeal to the right wingers on here who like to opine over what a Labour leader should or shouldn't be when they have no intention of ever voting Labour. Labour need to appeal to those in the centre and they need to reengage their traditional base whilst maintaining their current support. No easy task, but not one that would be more achievable if the leader ticked some boxes made up by a Tory who would vote for a dog turd with a blue rosette on it rather than vote Labour. |
They can appeal to the centre or also help move the centre back towards the left and be more of a true centre in European terms rather than a centre-right in American terms.
I think Corbyn definitely started that in tandem with increasing acceptance of climate change as a necessary driver of political and economic change. With Covid-19, I think that move has even picked up pace — I've heard politicians, media pundits and ordinary people across the board talk in a way that was unimaginable even a couple of months ago.
So the idea of a truer balance between socialism and capitalism, between equality and liberty, is more current than it's been in years. If Starmer keeps up with the progressive platform he's said he remains committed to and pushes forward with the Green Industrial Revolution stuff then he'll probably find the centre of public opinion a lot more accommodating.
Anyway, he's got a number of years to campaign for it before he gets too bogged down in trying to win votes so hopefully he uses it well. Should be interesting. |  |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:59 - Apr 23 with 682 views | Mullet |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:53 - Apr 23 by footers |
The problem is that many have become accustomed to the culture of politics by soundbite. I'm not sure this is Starmer's strongest suit either, and obviously Corbyn was terrible with messaging discipline. If Johnson just repeats 'Get Brexit done' or whatever, then it's far likely to get more traction in the media than anything more sensible that Labour say, unfortunately.
I'm personally not convinced about Starmer's charisma, despite his many positive qualities. A little bit of fire on the frontbench is what Labour needs imo, something which was missing from pretty much all candidates for leader. Keir, however, is the best of a bad bunch. So we'll have to wait and see. |
I think if he can assemble a team of people to make positive faces of the party in a mirror of the way Gove, Patel, Hancock et al. show Boris up it would negate that.
It was telling how loudly and quickly the Tories told everyone they weren't bothered by Corbyn before proceeding to bury him while he laid there and got his minions to fetch the shovels for him. That was clearly down to his "extremism".
We're seeing the same thing happen with KS for different reasons it seems. I actually think he's the perfect person to stand face to face with them and rip their lies apart but whether that merely elevates him to effective opposition, rather than PM remains to be seen. | |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:02 - Apr 23 with 669 views | tractordownsouth |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:32 - Apr 23 by Mullet |
It doesn't help that every other tweet and Facebook post I see from a Labour member is doing the hard work for the Tories.
This idea that "centrist" appeal is bad or that Blair giving them their best run in power in decades is not to be repeated, absolutely baffles me. It's like wanting Ipswich to back some tinpot regionalised league set up so it can be new and authentic and ensures we never win a European Cup again. |
Elements of Labour Twitter are ridiculous... Just yesterday I was called a "war criminal sympathiser" who "doesn't care about brown people" for the heinous crime of suggesting that Blair did some good things... I even mentioned my opposition to Iraq in the same post but still I'm a sympathiser apparently... together with the ERG headbangers, they're the opposite check of the same arse. |  |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:04 - Apr 23 with 660 views | tractordownsouth |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:53 - Apr 23 by footers |
The problem is that many have become accustomed to the culture of politics by soundbite. I'm not sure this is Starmer's strongest suit either, and obviously Corbyn was terrible with messaging discipline. If Johnson just repeats 'Get Brexit done' or whatever, then it's far likely to get more traction in the media than anything more sensible that Labour say, unfortunately.
I'm personally not convinced about Starmer's charisma, despite his many positive qualities. A little bit of fire on the frontbench is what Labour needs imo, something which was missing from pretty much all candidates for leader. Keir, however, is the best of a bad bunch. So we'll have to wait and see. |
I too have doubts over his charisma but having Nick Thomas Symonds and Lisa Nandy in senior positions may well compensate for that as both are capable orators with big personalities. I'm still yet to be convinced by Anneliese Dodds but it's early days. | |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:04 - Apr 23 with 658 views | Leaky |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 15:11 - Apr 22 by BlueNomad |
He’s taken his toys with him. He reminds me of the rednecks we keep seeing in protests going on in the US. These problems are all down to “goddam commies” [Post edited 22 Apr 2020 15:13]
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Your last sentence could be true. | | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:08 - Apr 23 with 652 views | Mullet |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:02 - Apr 23 by tractordownsouth |
Elements of Labour Twitter are ridiculous... Just yesterday I was called a "war criminal sympathiser" who "doesn't care about brown people" for the heinous crime of suggesting that Blair did some good things... I even mentioned my opposition to Iraq in the same post but still I'm a sympathiser apparently... together with the ERG headbangers, they're the opposite check of the same arse. |
Quite. The "war criminal" stuff is a cheap and dangerous tag too, and often people who use it have no understanding of Blair or the wider implications either. Their arguments tend to be fairly shallow and shouty. That's not to say what he did was automatically right either, but it's very different to say Milosevic or someone you'd see in the Hague.
It's a shame that his legacy will be forgotten and overshadowed, because he did try to right wrongs on the home front in a way we need again now. Likewise with Brown and the economy and people who refuse to acknowledge a global issue. | |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:16 - Apr 23 with 630 views | blueconscience |
The political arguments on here are hilarious. Thank you ladies and gents for the comedy in these dark, boring times. |  |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:18 - Apr 23 with 623 views | gordon |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 11:59 - Apr 23 by Mullet |
I think if he can assemble a team of people to make positive faces of the party in a mirror of the way Gove, Patel, Hancock et al. show Boris up it would negate that.
It was telling how loudly and quickly the Tories told everyone they weren't bothered by Corbyn before proceeding to bury him while he laid there and got his minions to fetch the shovels for him. That was clearly down to his "extremism".
We're seeing the same thing happen with KS for different reasons it seems. I actually think he's the perfect person to stand face to face with them and rip their lies apart but whether that merely elevates him to effective opposition, rather than PM remains to be seen. |
I think that while Coronavirus is ongoing, Starmer's detailed forensic questioning of Boris et al. will be a massive asset, but really that's the easy bit for him, you'd expect him to mince them.
The challenge will be when he has to present his own personality/ideas/policies to the nation. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:26 - Apr 23 with 602 views | flimflam |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 22:30 - Apr 22 by MaySixth |
Tories panicking on here.
Love it. |
Hardly.
PM questions and the prime minister was not even there. In fact hardly anyone was.
There are multiple heavy weights in the Tory party who would wipe the floor with Starmer who even though is an upgrade on JC is still very underwhelming. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:27]
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:28 - Apr 23 with 592 views | footers |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:26 - Apr 23 by flimflam |
Hardly.
PM questions and the prime minister was not even there. In fact hardly anyone was.
There are multiple heavy weights in the Tory party who would wipe the floor with Starmer who even though is an upgrade on JC is still very underwhelming. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:27]
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Maybe they should have picked one of these heavyweights in place of Raab then? | |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:33 - Apr 23 with 589 views | gazzer1999 |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 22:59 - Apr 22 by SpruceMoose |
Oh dear. Yet again poor old Gazzer opens his mouth and a whoopsie falls out!
Silly Gazzer. |
Hello Spruce, got you engaged didn't it. Didn't take much though.
How you coping over the pond? I will still be polite to you despite your comments. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:44 - Apr 23 with 556 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:26 - Apr 23 by flimflam |
Hardly.
PM questions and the prime minister was not even there. In fact hardly anyone was.
There are multiple heavy weights in the Tory party who would wipe the floor with Starmer who even though is an upgrade on JC is still very underwhelming. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:27]
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Jezza was there. Ignoring advice for the over 70’s to stay in doors and trying to still appear relevant. |  |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:44 - Apr 23 with 562 views | m14_blue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:26 - Apr 23 by flimflam |
Hardly.
PM questions and the prime minister was not even there. In fact hardly anyone was.
There are multiple heavy weights in the Tory party who would wipe the floor with Starmer who even though is an upgrade on JC is still very underwhelming. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:27]
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Who?
Aside from Boris, and perhaps Sunak, I’d say this must be the most lightweight and talentless government in history. | | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:47 - Apr 23 with 553 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:44 - Apr 23 by m14_blue |
Who?
Aside from Boris, and perhaps Sunak, I’d say this must be the most lightweight and talentless government in history. |
Most of their talented MPs had the whip withdrawn in November. Probably the worst front branch in living memory imo. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:48]
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:49 - Apr 23 with 543 views | m14_blue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:47 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Most of their talented MPs had the whip withdrawn in November. Probably the worst front branch in living memory imo. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:48]
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Absolutely, there were plenty of talented one nation Tories but unfortunately we’re left with the real dregs. Sycophants and patsies who are hopelessly out of their depth.
Perhaps Gove could hold his own at the dispatch box but the rest of them are an embarrassment to the country. | | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:50 - Apr 23 with 541 views | Herbivore |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:26 - Apr 23 by flimflam |
Hardly.
PM questions and the prime minister was not even there. In fact hardly anyone was.
There are multiple heavy weights in the Tory party who would wipe the floor with Starmer who even though is an upgrade on JC is still very underwhelming. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:27]
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Who are these heavyweights of which you speak? The Tory cabinet is a shower, none of them stand up well to any scrutiny. |  |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:53 - Apr 23 with 528 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:49 - Apr 23 by m14_blue |
Absolutely, there were plenty of talented one nation Tories but unfortunately we’re left with the real dregs. Sycophants and patsies who are hopelessly out of their depth.
Perhaps Gove could hold his own at the dispatch box but the rest of them are an embarrassment to the country. |
Is Geoffrey Cox still there? He’s pretty good at the dispatch box. Give obviously. Boris is a decent rabble rouser. Sinai has performed well during this crisis but he’s untested over the long term.
Other than that I’m stumped for seeing any big beasts. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:53]
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:57 - Apr 23 with 519 views | m14_blue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:53 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Is Geoffrey Cox still there? He’s pretty good at the dispatch box. Give obviously. Boris is a decent rabble rouser. Sinai has performed well during this crisis but he’s untested over the long term.
Other than that I’m stumped for seeing any big beasts. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 12:53]
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Sacked in the latest reshuffle I think | | | |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:57 - Apr 23 with 518 views | footers |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:50 - Apr 23 by Herbivore |
Who are these heavyweights of which you speak? The Tory cabinet is a shower, none of them stand up well to any scrutiny. |
Maybe Priti Patel? Or maybe I'm taking that question too literally. | |
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 13:05 - Apr 23 with 500 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 12:57 - Apr 23 by footers |
Maybe Priti Patel? Or maybe I'm taking that question too literally. |
Am I the only person who thinks Pritti Patel’s head is disproportionate to the rest of her body?
Most people of her size have three of four chins. She’s gorgeous from the neck up. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 13:06]
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| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 13:10 - Apr 23 with 499 views | footers |
| Keir Starmer absolutely nailed his first PMQ on 13:05 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Am I the only person who thinks Pritti Patel’s head is disproportionate to the rest of her body?
Most people of her size have three of four chins. She’s gorgeous from the neck up. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 13:06]
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Her face makes a compelling case for sleeping with the enemy, I'll give her that. Aside from that she's a terrible human being. | |
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