| This is good news on 16:32 - May 3 with 1307 views | buoyant |
| This is good news on 15:15 - May 3 by Harry_Palmer |
"I've not read any of this David Ike codswallop"
So you admit you haven't read any of it but have concluded that its codswallop, and its me that's being disingenuous.
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I am willing to take Stokie's (a smart bloke and trusted contributor to this forum) word that misinformation is excatly that. Together with the knowledge that the bloke is a conspiracy theorist loon.
Anyway just another excuse for you to swerve the actual point. Hopefully you covered it in your subsequent posts. |  |
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| This is good news on 18:02 - May 3 with 1273 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This is good news on 15:11 - May 3 by Harry_Palmer |
I am not tap dancing around anything, or being dishonest. I don't believe it is a good thing that Facebook and YouTube have de-platformed Icke even though I don't agree with some of his views. I also do not believe he is responsible for other people causing damage to 5g infrastructure and you cannot prove otherwise. That's it, quite simple. |
Those spreading lies about 5G are collectively responsible for subsequent attacks on masts and those working in telecoms. Of course we can't prove it down to the individual level as we're randoms on an internet forum with no way to investigate the crimes. But mast were attacked because of the lies spread about them. Icke is one of those spreading lies about them. Given the link between the publicity and subsequent attacks, it doesn't take a genius to realise what he's doing isn't right. |  |
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| This is good news on 20:04 - May 3 with 1234 views | Harry_Palmer |
| This is good news on 16:32 - May 3 by buoyant |
I am willing to take Stokie's (a smart bloke and trusted contributor to this forum) word that misinformation is excatly that. Together with the knowledge that the bloke is a conspiracy theorist loon.
Anyway just another excuse for you to swerve the actual point. Hopefully you covered it in your subsequent posts. |
Outsourcing your thinking to others, smart move.
What was the actual point I swerved? You didn't really make one did you, just confirmed that you had no knowledge of the subject at hand whilst joining in with taking a pop. |  | | |
| This is good news on 20:12 - May 3 with 1228 views | Harry_Palmer |
I have already stated I don't agree with all of his ideas and this is certainly one of them. I wouldn't try to defend that but this is not what he has been banned for, it is because he has questioned the safety of 5G. If he had been banned years ago when he was promoting this idea regularly then I could understand it and would have been in agreement.. | | | |
| This is good news on 20:25 - May 3 with 1216 views | sparks |
| This is good news on 20:12 - May 3 by Harry_Palmer |
I have already stated I don't agree with all of his ideas and this is certainly one of them. I wouldn't try to defend that but this is not what he has been banned for, it is because he has questioned the safety of 5G. If he had been banned years ago when he was promoting this idea regularly then I could understand it and would have been in agreement.. |
More dishonesty.
He has not been banned for questioning safety of 5g, His argument and positive assertion was that 5G is related to coronavirus. |  |
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| This is good news on 20:45 - May 3 with 1206 views | Harry_Palmer |
| This is good news on 20:25 - May 3 by sparks |
More dishonesty.
He has not been banned for questioning safety of 5g, His argument and positive assertion was that 5G is related to coronavirus. |
Hardly dishonest. He has repeatedly questioned the safety of 5G but yes more recently the ban was for relating it to coronavirus, so I stand corrected on that point. | | | |
| This is good news on 20:52 - May 3 with 1196 views | m14_blue |
| This is good news on 20:45 - May 3 by Harry_Palmer |
Hardly dishonest. He has repeatedly questioned the safety of 5G but yes more recently the ban was for relating it to coronavirus, so I stand corrected on that point. |
Do you agree that propagating that falsehood is dangerous and dishonest? |  | | |
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| This is good news on 20:59 - May 3 with 1192 views | vapour_trail |
Be nice if Facebook did a little more to make the space they own safer for children, rather than bringing forward end to end encryption that will give a green light to pedophiles.
Who gives a sh1t about David icke. |  |
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| This is good news on 21:01 - May 3 with 1189 views | sparks |
| This is good news on 20:45 - May 3 by Harry_Palmer |
Hardly dishonest. He has repeatedly questioned the safety of 5G but yes more recently the ban was for relating it to coronavirus, so I stand corrected on that point. |
It IS dishonest. Peopel do not get banned for asking sensible questions or entertaining valid discussion about 5g and science. You claimed thats what happened.
They get it for claiming 5G is connected to corona virus and part of a conspiracy. Which is demonstrably bollox. And what actually happened. | |
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| This is good news on 21:52 - May 3 with 1179 views | Bluearmy71 |
I'm of the opinion that if you are quite happy for Facebook and other "social media giants" to lay the law of censorship down on things like this then you might just as well invite Zuckerberg in to your home, pour him a vodka and tell him how much you look forward to the day him and all his mates will kick you off of facebook for saying "wibble"
Its a dangerous door to open for them, one which if opened far enough can never be closed! |  | | |
| This is good news on 22:02 - May 3 with 1172 views | Bluearmy71 |
| This is good news on 20:25 - May 3 by sparks |
More dishonesty.
He has not been banned for questioning safety of 5g, His argument and positive assertion was that 5G is related to coronavirus. |
Most of the premise of space and time that is so widely accepted is no more than theory, a thought someone had, there is no proof for or against!
Why is it any different for someone to say their theory is "5G and coronavirus" are connected?? Because you don't like his theory, it couldn't possibly be right because you don't agree!
Who knows about coronavirus and 5G, it could be connected or it couldn't, one this for sure is we would never be told if it is! | | | |
| This is good news on 22:51 - May 3 with 1152 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This is good news on 22:15 - May 2 by The_Last_Baron |
“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” - George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings |
There is a far better quote from Noam Chomsky "If we don't believe in free expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
However, while I agree with what he is saying, there has to be a limit to free speech in a civilised country.
Is it right to incite terror? I am sure you would be one of the last to grant that right to Islamic hate preachers. But this is exactly what Icke is doing. His clearly false arguments (we are not talking contentious possible scientifically sound reasoning) are being used to incite people to damage mobile phone infrastructure and put people's lives at risk.
If you wish to stand up for Icke's right to do this, at least be consistent and state that you believe Islamic hate preachers also have the same right. |  |
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| This is good news on 23:04 - May 3 with 1149 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This is good news on 22:02 - May 3 by Bluearmy71 |
Most of the premise of space and time that is so widely accepted is no more than theory, a thought someone had, there is no proof for or against!
Why is it any different for someone to say their theory is "5G and coronavirus" are connected?? Because you don't like his theory, it couldn't possibly be right because you don't agree!
Who knows about coronavirus and 5G, it could be connected or it couldn't, one this for sure is we would never be told if it is! |
If there was any plausible link between them there would be genuine scientific explanation for it.
Instead there is a nutjob with a certifiable history of crackpot statements designed to draw attention to himself spouting clearly demonstrable nonsense.
Please link one article to a scientist of any note who claims to be explain any plausible link between the two.
Please show some data that shows the diseases non-existence in environments away from 5G and prevalence in close proximity.
The theory is so obviously ridiculous you would have to be a conspiracy theorist of CIL proportions to even begin to entertain it. | |
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| This is good news on 23:15 - May 3 with 1146 views | StokieBlue |
| This is good news on 22:02 - May 3 by Bluearmy71 |
Most of the premise of space and time that is so widely accepted is no more than theory, a thought someone had, there is no proof for or against!
Why is it any different for someone to say their theory is "5G and coronavirus" are connected?? Because you don't like his theory, it couldn't possibly be right because you don't agree!
Who knows about coronavirus and 5G, it could be connected or it couldn't, one this for sure is we would never be told if it is! |
"Most of the premise of space and time that is so widely accepted is no more than theory, a thought someone had, there is no proof for or against!"
This is totally wrong, please stop posting untruths especially when using them as the basis to justify a rather terrible attempt at equivalence.
Einsteinian physics has been proved numerous times in the last 100 years, the last significant confirmation being the discovery of gravitational waves just a few years ago when instrumentation caught up with theory.
Given the above the entire premise of your post is flawed. The last line is conspiratorial nonsense with no evidence to back it up.
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| This is good news on 23:16 - May 3 with 1145 views | StokieBlue |
| This is good news on 21:52 - May 3 by Bluearmy71 |
I'm of the opinion that if you are quite happy for Facebook and other "social media giants" to lay the law of censorship down on things like this then you might just as well invite Zuckerberg in to your home, pour him a vodka and tell him how much you look forward to the day him and all his mates will kick you off of facebook for saying "wibble"
Its a dangerous door to open for them, one which if opened far enough can never be closed! |
Slippery slope fallacy.
It's the specific removal of dangerous and hateful material. It's nothing like you are suggesting.
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| This is good news on 23:30 - May 3 with 1133 views | sparks |
| This is good news on 22:02 - May 3 by Bluearmy71 |
Most of the premise of space and time that is so widely accepted is no more than theory, a thought someone had, there is no proof for or against!
Why is it any different for someone to say their theory is "5G and coronavirus" are connected?? Because you don't like his theory, it couldn't possibly be right because you don't agree!
Who knows about coronavirus and 5G, it could be connected or it couldn't, one this for sure is we would never be told if it is! |
What on earth are you on about? | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| This is good news on 03:36 - May 4 with 1116 views | Bluearmy71 |
| This is good news on 23:04 - May 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If there was any plausible link between them there would be genuine scientific explanation for it.
Instead there is a nutjob with a certifiable history of crackpot statements designed to draw attention to himself spouting clearly demonstrable nonsense.
Please link one article to a scientist of any note who claims to be explain any plausible link between the two.
Please show some data that shows the diseases non-existence in environments away from 5G and prevalence in close proximity.
The theory is so obviously ridiculous you would have to be a conspiracy theorist of CIL proportions to even begin to entertain it. |
Its not my theory to provide data for, I'm merely pointing out that a theory no matter how plausible it may be is just basically one persons opinion, their notion of how something can connect and work! | | | |
| This is good news on 04:14 - May 4 with 1111 views | Bluearmy71 |
| This is good news on 23:15 - May 3 by StokieBlue |
"Most of the premise of space and time that is so widely accepted is no more than theory, a thought someone had, there is no proof for or against!"
This is totally wrong, please stop posting untruths especially when using them as the basis to justify a rather terrible attempt at equivalence.
Einsteinian physics has been proved numerous times in the last 100 years, the last significant confirmation being the discovery of gravitational waves just a few years ago when instrumentation caught up with theory.
Given the above the entire premise of your post is flawed. The last line is conspiratorial nonsense with no evidence to back it up.
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If you truly think I am wrong in saying this then I think the word wrong applies to you!
You are giving me a theory Einstein proved, I can't recall ever disputing that some theories are correct and have taken people like the great man himself many years of work to conclude or as you've pointed out, past his lifetime to do so, everyone knows a lot of theories are correct, but just because a lot are correct does not mean that a lot have been right either, maybe I should wear rose tinted glasses just to see if my acceptance of both working and non working popular theories is indeed wrong!!
My last line "conspiratorial nonsense" eh?? Well put a gag in my mouth to shut me up saying we live in a world where (oh and you might like this one) history has proved that governing bodies have kept the truth from us, hidden things and lied and have never ever covered anything up!!!!
Oh I had better indulge you hadn't I........Read up on MK ULTRA a conspiracy theory that was proven to be true. | | | |
| This is good news on 04:25 - May 4 with 1110 views | Bluearmy71 |
| This is good news on 23:16 - May 3 by StokieBlue |
Slippery slope fallacy.
It's the specific removal of dangerous and hateful material. It's nothing like you are suggesting.
SB |
And you know this how?? Inner workings of all these "social media giants"?? A wire tap at facebook HQ??
Just because you don't agree there is no need to be so condescending to people, you can no more prove that it will stay limited to just the removal of dangerous and hateful material than I can it won't...........only time will tell, whether it will happen in my lifetime I doubt but you never truly know! | | | |
| This is good news on 07:13 - May 4 with 1092 views | Cotty |
| This is good news on 10:53 - May 3 by Harry_Palmer |
This is a Guy that also promotes the idea that 'love is the answer' and that we are all 'one consciousness' , views that are rarely discussed by his critics. This might be a bit New Age for some but it hardly falls under the category of 'dangerous' or 'hatred'. |
I’m sure Hitler and Stalin said nice things occasionally too. Silly boy.... |  | | |
| This is good news on 08:29 - May 4 with 1075 views | StokieBlue |
| This is good news on 04:14 - May 4 by Bluearmy71 |
If you truly think I am wrong in saying this then I think the word wrong applies to you!
You are giving me a theory Einstein proved, I can't recall ever disputing that some theories are correct and have taken people like the great man himself many years of work to conclude or as you've pointed out, past his lifetime to do so, everyone knows a lot of theories are correct, but just because a lot are correct does not mean that a lot have been right either, maybe I should wear rose tinted glasses just to see if my acceptance of both working and non working popular theories is indeed wrong!!
My last line "conspiratorial nonsense" eh?? Well put a gag in my mouth to shut me up saying we live in a world where (oh and you might like this one) history has proved that governing bodies have kept the truth from us, hidden things and lied and have never ever covered anything up!!!!
Oh I had better indulge you hadn't I........Read up on MK ULTRA a conspiracy theory that was proven to be true. |
You are wrong. You said the theories of space time hadn't been proven when clearly they have to a reasonable degree. There will be other new discoveries but that wasn't what you said. You then used that false statement to construct a false equivalence to conspiracy theories.
Writing three paragraphs of ranting doesn't mean your any less wrong that you were before.
I know of MK Ultra. Using something done nearly 60 years ago in one country to attempt to justify anything else is a false premise. You cannot construct such a correlation. Just because A happened it doesn't mean B happened. You need evidence, something you've not posted at all. Not one shred.
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| This is good news on 08:31 - May 4 with 1072 views | StokieBlue |
| This is good news on 04:25 - May 4 by Bluearmy71 |
And you know this how?? Inner workings of all these "social media giants"?? A wire tap at facebook HQ??
Just because you don't agree there is no need to be so condescending to people, you can no more prove that it will stay limited to just the removal of dangerous and hateful material than I can it won't...........only time will tell, whether it will happen in my lifetime I doubt but you never truly know! |
I don't have to prove anything, I have not asserted that something will happen. You have asserted something will happen and invoked a slippery slope fallacy.
Let's get to the crux of this. Do you believe Icke's "theories"?
Do you think he is dangerous and pushed hate?
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| This is good news on 08:43 - May 4 with 1061 views | bluelagos |
| This is good news on 08:31 - May 4 by StokieBlue |
I don't have to prove anything, I have not asserted that something will happen. You have asserted something will happen and invoked a slippery slope fallacy.
Let's get to the crux of this. Do you believe Icke's "theories"?
Do you think he is dangerous and pushed hate?
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I think you are maybe getting side tracked here Stokie.
It is possible to reject all the cr@p that David Icke speaks and not wish to see him banned on the grounds that drawing a line is near impossible.
Similar argument against banning say EDL marches or Nick Griffin on QT.
Guy is a full on loon, no argument there. But on what grounds are banning his platform justified? The fact he repeats disgusting racist lines? Untruths?
And who decides what is an untruth?
It does leave me a little uncomfortable in terms of where it might go. Unlike our press, the interweb allows minority (and sometimes loons) views a platform which is a good thing I'd argue.
Lots of things to debate, even when the material taken down is patently nonsense, offensive or dangerous. |  |
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| This is good news on 08:57 - May 4 with 1046 views | Mullet |
| This is good news on 08:43 - May 4 by bluelagos |
I think you are maybe getting side tracked here Stokie.
It is possible to reject all the cr@p that David Icke speaks and not wish to see him banned on the grounds that drawing a line is near impossible.
Similar argument against banning say EDL marches or Nick Griffin on QT.
Guy is a full on loon, no argument there. But on what grounds are banning his platform justified? The fact he repeats disgusting racist lines? Untruths?
And who decides what is an untruth?
It does leave me a little uncomfortable in terms of where it might go. Unlike our press, the interweb allows minority (and sometimes loons) views a platform which is a good thing I'd argue.
Lots of things to debate, even when the material taken down is patently nonsense, offensive or dangerous. |
It was telling my reply was totally ignored I thought.
But to repeat it. Ultimately YT and FB decide in the same way Phil and Gav do here. Icke is welcome to start his own media outlet, I am saddened London Real are courting him to try and carve out some exposure, they've done some excellent stuff in the past.
To deny Icke's message though is worrying. The fact that those same people have a view of "censorship" which is flexible is telling too. What it does show is that national humiliation wasn't actually anything but a boon for Icke. He was left to fester on fringes and has drawn in a patchwork of different whackjobs and disaffected people by weaving together this narrative over time.
I notice there's an argument blowing up as someone has been spotted owning a David Irving book which makes a neat comparison here perhaps. |  |
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