| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol 15:41 - Jun 7 with 28330 views | Mullet |
Wanton act of destruction? Political statement? Bad PR?
I'm not sure this is quite the same as when they pulled down statues of Saddam in Iraq for example. Strikes me as simply ammo for the critics and little else. |  |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:03 - Jun 7 with 1122 views | footers |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 17:55 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
More middle class white people making life harder for black people. Because that's who will get the blame. Not the people who tore it down. |
So it's been caught on camera that white people did it so black people will get the blame? Jesus Christ, what an odd take. |  |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:06 - Jun 7 with 1110 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 17:55 - Jun 7 by Mullet |
This sort of illustrates my concern - the demographic and hypocrisy over social distancing digs etc combined with the image this puts out is not good for any one.
As for Churchill, the fact that our current PM is a pathetic tribute act to him and people have deified him rather than tried to understand the context of who he was etc is a constant problem.
I'd say it contributes a massive chunk to why the Brexit narrative and the generation who love their war porn/taking credit for WW2 even though it was their Dads has a strong root in that problem too. |
Looks like they did get to it in the end
BLM is clearly a very worthwhile movement, but I would assume they have attracted the ‘fringe’ who attack and destroy things no matter the reason, left or right. |  | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:09 - Jun 7 with 1099 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:06 - Jun 7 by ElderGrizzly |
Looks like they did get to it in the end
BLM is clearly a very worthwhile movement, but I would assume they have attracted the ‘fringe’ who attack and destroy things no matter the reason, left or right. |
Careful now. Not a popular view on here. |  |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:10 - Jun 7 with 1104 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 17:51 - Jun 7 by JakeITFC |
What is the point of this comment? |
That's easy - the point is that it's the lefties what done it. That's pretty much always the point.
Back to Mullet's original question, I don't think things like this help the BLM movement at all. It obviously provides ammunition for those looking to criticise the BLM movement. |  |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:16 - Jun 7 with 1072 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:09 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Careful now. Not a popular view on here. |
What pointing out movements attract fringe elements no matter how far left or right they are?
I firmly believe most protests are 99.9% peaceful and there will always be those who take advantage.
The police are purposefully being instructed to be more standoff here due to recent events, but they have now gone too far the other way imo. | | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:26 - Jun 7 with 1038 views | JakeITFC |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:10 - Jun 7 by Swansea_Blue |
That's easy - the point is that it's the lefties what done it. That's pretty much always the point.
Back to Mullet's original question, I don't think things like this help the BLM movement at all. It obviously provides ammunition for those looking to criticise the BLM movement. |
I just find it hard to comprehend having a protest that black lives matter in the shadow of a statue of a slave trader.
The statue and the message being conveyed by it are not compatible with what’s going on. |  | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:29 - Jun 7 with 1029 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:00 - Jun 7 by footers |
No, I agree there was outrage at what happened in Syria. It's understandable.
But that doesn't change the fact that history isn't a material thing. The movements that are shaping our time are just the same as the others who did theirs for centuries.
History is created by victors. And it changes from culture to culture. Unsurprisingly, the way WW2 is taught in Russian or Indian schools is much different to how we teach it here.
Destroying things is just as an important a mark on history as maintaining or restoring things. Each is a political and social action and completely representative of modern history.
The statues and monuments don't need to remain to teach. If it really was an important moment it will be remembered as such. And if not, was it ever that important in the first place? |
That's fair enough. I suppose he was seen as someone successful at the time when we didn't bat an eyelid about abusing other countries and their peoples, hence the statue. He's not someone to look up to by today's standards, so no loss. I understand that viewpoint. | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:30 - Jun 7 with 1028 views | BlueBadger |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 17:55 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
More middle class white people making life harder for black people. Because that's who will get the blame. Not the people who tore it down. |
Are you trying to say it's black people's fault that some white people pulled down a statue of a slave trader?
It's a hot take, I'll give you that. |  |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:32 - Jun 7 with 1018 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 17:59 - Jun 7 by gordon |
I genuinely don't understand why so many people are conflating 'destroy' with 'remove from our history'. The two just aren't the same. |
Fair point. I've only just seen what's happened today and my initial reaction was that it wasn't a good move and would backfire against BLM. Maybe the line is very clear though - you simply shouldn't be recognisinig historical characters who profited off the misery of others, no matter how much philanthropic work they did? | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:32 - Jun 7 with 1019 views | BlueBadger |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 17:29 - Jun 7 by Plums |
It’s definitely a debate the country needs to have. My knee-jerk reaction is that these monuments to slavery and those engaged in empire building massacres should be removed and installed in museums where the stories can be told. Berlin has its Topographies of Terror, Bristol could have its Street of Shame or similar. |
Absolutely. Lagos, the place in Portugal where the slave trade began has turned their old slave market into a museum. No punches are pulled with the exhibits there and tour guides are at pains to encourage tourists to visit. | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:34 - Jun 7 with 1013 views | gordon |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 17:55 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
More middle class white people making life harder for black people. Because that's who will get the blame. Not the people who tore it down. |
That's some take. I don't think it really matters what Katie Hopkins tweets, does it? [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 18:35]
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:34 - Jun 7 with 1012 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:10 - Jun 7 by Swansea_Blue |
That's easy - the point is that it's the lefties what done it. That's pretty much always the point.
Back to Mullet's original question, I don't think things like this help the BLM movement at all. It obviously provides ammunition for those looking to criticise the BLM movement. |
I’ve spent a lot of time in Charlottesville in the last few years since their race issues and the death of one of the peaceful protestors there and have seen all the arguments from both sides trotted out.
The local Govt’s approach there was to place the Lee statue under a black tarpaulin and 24 hour police guard for the first year.
BLM movement is still very strong there, but it is a democratic outpost in a very red state | | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:37 - Jun 7 with 978 views | jaykay |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:03 - Jun 7 by footers |
So it's been caught on camera that white people did it so black people will get the blame? Jesus Christ, what an odd take. |
yeah but they are middle class white people now. not middle class white kids, living at home |  |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:37 - Jun 7 with 978 views | SpruceMoose |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:34 - Jun 7 by gordon |
That's some take. I don't think it really matters what Katie Hopkins tweets, does it? [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 18:35]
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Another brain fart from Glasgow Beckeisha.
I don't think he even knows what he's saying anymore. He's certainly not using his eyes to form an opinion. |  |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:38 - Jun 7 with 981 views | gordon |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:37 - Jun 7 by SpruceMoose |
Another brain fart from Glasgow Beckeisha.
I don't think he even knows what he's saying anymore. He's certainly not using his eyes to form an opinion. |
He must be copying and pasting these opinions from somewhere? | | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:38 - Jun 7 with 981 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:30 - Jun 7 by BlueBadger |
Are you trying to say it's black people's fault that some white people pulled down a statue of a slave trader?
It's a hot take, I'll give you that. |
You know me better than that badger.
I'm saying quite the opposite. The police presence will be upped and the people that the police are more likely to come down on are the black community.
The far right will blame BLM and black people in particular for the actions of white privileged people. They will be on twitter and facebbock firing up the knuckle dragger.
White people may have torn the statue down but black people will be blamed for it. | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:39 - Jun 7 with 969 views | gordon |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:32 - Jun 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Fair point. I've only just seen what's happened today and my initial reaction was that it wasn't a good move and would backfire against BLM. Maybe the line is very clear though - you simply shouldn't be recognisinig historical characters who profited off the misery of others, no matter how much philanthropic work they did? |
Jimmy Saville did loads of charity work. We took down the statues and plaques. | | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:39 - Jun 7 with 957 views | SpruceMoose |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:38 - Jun 7 by gordon |
He must be copying and pasting these opinions from somewhere? |
Who knows. But I wish he'd stop. I feel embarrassed for him. | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:40 - Jun 7 with 955 views | gordon |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:38 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You know me better than that badger.
I'm saying quite the opposite. The police presence will be upped and the people that the police are more likely to come down on are the black community.
The far right will blame BLM and black people in particular for the actions of white privileged people. They will be on twitter and facebbock firing up the knuckle dragger.
White people may have torn the statue down but black people will be blamed for it. |
That's proper bonkers. Where have you got that from? | | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:40 - Jun 7 with 945 views | SpruceMoose |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:38 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You know me better than that badger.
I'm saying quite the opposite. The police presence will be upped and the people that the police are more likely to come down on are the black community.
The far right will blame BLM and black people in particular for the actions of white privileged people. They will be on twitter and facebbock firing up the knuckle dragger.
White people may have torn the statue down but black people will be blamed for it. |
They will be with people like you who seem desperate to make that link. | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:41 - Jun 7 with 948 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:32 - Jun 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Fair point. I've only just seen what's happened today and my initial reaction was that it wasn't a good move and would backfire against BLM. Maybe the line is very clear though - you simply shouldn't be recognisinig historical characters who profited off the misery of others, no matter how much philanthropic work they did? |
"it wasn't a good move and would backfire against BLM"
Which is exactly the point I'm making. | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:46 - Jun 7 with 916 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:40 - Jun 7 by gordon |
That's proper bonkers. Where have you got that from? |
So you don't think that the police presence at these hot spots will be increased?
You don't think that an increased police presence will lead to a disproportionate number of black people being stopped and searched?
You don't think that the far right will fire up their racist foot soldiers that this vandalism was the fault of people of colour?
You don't think that black people will be blamed for the vandalism regardless that the majority involved were white? | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:48 - Jun 7 with 906 views | gordon |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:46 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
So you don't think that the police presence at these hot spots will be increased?
You don't think that an increased police presence will lead to a disproportionate number of black people being stopped and searched?
You don't think that the far right will fire up their racist foot soldiers that this vandalism was the fault of people of colour?
You don't think that black people will be blamed for the vandalism regardless that the majority involved were white? |
No. | | | |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:52 - Jun 7 with 891 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:48 - Jun 7 by gordon |
No. |
I do. We shall see. | |
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| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:53 - Jun 7 with 884 views | SpruceMoose |
| Colston statue pulled down by protestors in Bristol on 18:52 - Jun 7 by GlasgowBlue |
I do. We shall see. |
I'm sure you'll be keeping your fingers crossed. [Post edited 7 Jun 2020 18:54]
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