| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... 07:25 - Jun 22 with 10646 views | Libero |
Should we engage or ignore?
Interesting experiences shared and points made in this article from the BBC website this morning that reflects various things I’ve seen on TWTD in recent weeks.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-53000622 [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 7:36]
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:55 - Jun 22 with 4032 views | itfcjoe |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:27 - Jun 22 by Darth_Koont |
Problem is that we HAVE become far too tolerant and accepting of racists and xenophobes as a country. So much so that they've arguably taken over - or at least control the agenda.
Underlying all that seems to be the belief that people's opinions (especially our own) are somehow sacred, regardless of the evidence for or against them.
But that's totally @rse about face. If you or your opinions can't stand up to being challenged then you've only got yourself (and your opinions) to blame. |
We do, we live in a culture where the 'MSM' are being called out as all that is wrong with the world when they have their faults, political leanings, etc but at least have to live up to some standards.
The reality is the hours people spend on YouTube looking at conspiracy theories and the algortihms in place from Facebook, Twitter etc push people into certain views where they believe their opinions trump other peoples facts.
Dunning-Kruger in full flow, and it's encouraged by the Government here wioth more subtlety than in the States where Trump is a full on conspiracy theorist loon.
Nuilt into these things are how to deal with people saying they are false, and this continued bashing of the 'MSM' (and I know you aren't a massive fan of it) just allows people to get less and less informed whilst taking on more and more information.
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:58 - Jun 22 with 4026 views | itfcjoe |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:38 - Jun 22 by NewcyBlue |
Problem is when you have people giving an opinion on something they have never experienced. On something like BLM, and they have never experienced racism. Their lives have never been made harder due to the colour of their skin, or where they are from, or by what name they call god.
Instead they give an opinion on it as if it was some sort of fact. |
I'm sure we are all guilty of this, but too many people think they are experts on subjects they have no idea about - and more importantly aren't willing to listen to actual lived experiences of people, or read proper studies about things. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:02 - Jun 22 with 4011 views | Libero |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:24 - Jun 22 by clive_baker |
I agree completely.
The issue is it's not reserved for overt bigots, in which case crack on, call them out. It's the relentlessness of it, even concerning the most frivolous of subjects. I've seen people being sworn at for favouring Player A over Player B in their preferred starting line up. It's bonkers. Confrontational and over zealous is precisely it.
Ultimately, the litmus test should be do you engage with people on here as you would do face to face in a pub in the 'real world'. I'm sure if people are honest with themselves there's a filter in the real world that people are happy to discard online. The question is to what extent is that healthy or not, and a few frequently over step the mark IMO.
EDIT: Re. the article I do think it's much harder to call out a family member or real life friend in front of people, than to do so on here. There's 2 ways of looking at it, the anonymity on here could be a force for good, a way for people to call out such views without fear of consequences like you might not be able to on Facebook to your uncle Nigel, where it's perhaps easier to turn a blind eye. However that also in itself has risks as people can largely say what they want and be overly abusive as some on here take the opportunity to do. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 10:42]
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Yeah, exactly!
That being said, when I wasn’t in such a good place mentally I would have still told you and anyone else on here that I don’t say anything that I wouldn’t say to someone face to face, that was of course true but what it didn’t take into account that I was confrontational, passive aggressive, self righteous, pious and cutting and often driven by obsessions caused by chemical imbalances that I rode like waves instead of trying to calm and avoid escalation and problematic behaviours.
There’s a fair group of TWTD posters that I really see so much my of myself in when they are going full throttle, they almost always have a decent point to make but are simultaneously under mining it by the nature of how they’re expressing it.
I also don’t believe for a second that anyone WANTS to be a bigot, it takes energy to be so full of hate and it cannot be pleasant to be driven by fear so regularly.
Maybe that’s a good starting position? Along with the PBS philosophy I offered in the post to Joe “for every behaviour there is a reason”
I know it won’t be popular with a lot of posters who share a lot of the political rhetoric I believe in but I’d much prefer to understand a bigot and challenge their preconceptions and intrinsic bias than to punch one.
EDIT: it’s also possible that in my quest for balance I’m somewhat over compensating and being empathetic to the extreme? I don’t know, that’s for others to judge. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 11:12]
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:03 - Jun 22 with 4010 views | Darth_Koont |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:55 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
We do, we live in a culture where the 'MSM' are being called out as all that is wrong with the world when they have their faults, political leanings, etc but at least have to live up to some standards.
The reality is the hours people spend on YouTube looking at conspiracy theories and the algortihms in place from Facebook, Twitter etc push people into certain views where they believe their opinions trump other peoples facts.
Dunning-Kruger in full flow, and it's encouraged by the Government here wioth more subtlety than in the States where Trump is a full on conspiracy theorist loon.
Nuilt into these things are how to deal with people saying they are false, and this continued bashing of the 'MSM' (and I know you aren't a massive fan of it) just allows people to get less and less informed whilst taking on more and more information.
The genie is out of the bottle |
That's my problem with the "MSM" though - lamentably low standards when they're the ones who are setting the tone and level of debate. Social media is often just an amplification and distortion of that, but also an invaluable source for raising the standard.
There is a reason that the UK's media is the least trusted in the OECD. Because it's pretty sh!t as well as skewing heavily to the right. Although I think the two are generally linked. |  |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:05 - Jun 22 with 4001 views | itfcjoe |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:03 - Jun 22 by Darth_Koont |
That's my problem with the "MSM" though - lamentably low standards when they're the ones who are setting the tone and level of debate. Social media is often just an amplification and distortion of that, but also an invaluable source for raising the standard.
There is a reason that the UK's media is the least trusted in the OECD. Because it's pretty sh!t as well as skewing heavily to the right. Although I think the two are generally linked. |
The problem is with 'MSM' is it is such a broad term that covers so much | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:10 - Jun 22 with 3987 views | Darth_Koont |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:05 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
The problem is with 'MSM' is it is such a broad term that covers so much |
Not really. It's the mainstream, mass consumption media the country's entirely familiar with over the past few decades. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:38 - Jun 22 with 3928 views | WeWereZombies |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:58 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
I'm sure we are all guilty of this, but too many people think they are experts on subjects they have no idea about - and more importantly aren't willing to listen to actual lived experiences of people, or read proper studies about things. |
The problem with expert discussion is that it is usually very detailed, requires considerable foreknowledge and time to read, digest, respond to, read and digest responses, peer review and so on. This is fine, indeed necessary, for the pages of 'Nature' or the 'British Medical Journal' but to restrict discussion to these august journals would create a vast gulf between the informed and the rest of us.
So I think there is a place for interpreters of the experts and what is lacking most is critical thought and debate on the part of us in the audience, wherever opinions arrive from. Clearly the provenance of a link to a Guardian article to a study from Stanford University carries more weight than an opinion off the top of someone's head but the manner of the response to each can set the tone for the rest of a thread.
[edit] typed 'tome' instead of 'tone' - now corrected [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 11:54]
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:00 - Jun 22 with 3914 views | SpruceMoose |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 10:58 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
I'm sure we are all guilty of this, but too many people think they are experts on subjects they have no idea about - and more importantly aren't willing to listen to actual lived experiences of people, or read proper studies about things. |
So you could probably imagine how after several months and years of this one might get fed up and just lash out.
To be honest, having slept on it, I don't know if I'm going to bother tackling these trolls and racists on here anymore, especially as it seemingly offends so many people far more than the people who are being racist. It's just not worth my time as its an unwinnable battle.
Like Newcy said, so many of the posters involved in this have little to no direct experience of this anyway, and just treat it as a game. There's also an awful lot of 'Of course racism is bad BUT...' posts going round. Disappointing really. I'm actually disappointed with a fair number of people on here, for the first time ever.
So anyway, maybe I'll just watch other folk on here try and sweet talk them out of their bigotry (seeing as I'm constantly assured that's the path the enlightenment for these folk) and slowly sink into a state of misery when they fail. I'll reserve discussions of race and intolerance for the people on here who are actually open to discussion and debate, and continue to try and bring about much needed change in the real world.
Aiming for that to be my only contribution to this thread, don't want to start another brawl! [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 12:05]
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:17 - Jun 22 with 3876 views | footers |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:00 - Jun 22 by SpruceMoose |
So you could probably imagine how after several months and years of this one might get fed up and just lash out.
To be honest, having slept on it, I don't know if I'm going to bother tackling these trolls and racists on here anymore, especially as it seemingly offends so many people far more than the people who are being racist. It's just not worth my time as its an unwinnable battle.
Like Newcy said, so many of the posters involved in this have little to no direct experience of this anyway, and just treat it as a game. There's also an awful lot of 'Of course racism is bad BUT...' posts going round. Disappointing really. I'm actually disappointed with a fair number of people on here, for the first time ever.
So anyway, maybe I'll just watch other folk on here try and sweet talk them out of their bigotry (seeing as I'm constantly assured that's the path the enlightenment for these folk) and slowly sink into a state of misery when they fail. I'll reserve discussions of race and intolerance for the people on here who are actually open to discussion and debate, and continue to try and bring about much needed change in the real world.
Aiming for that to be my only contribution to this thread, don't want to start another brawl! [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 12:05]
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Spot on, Moose. I'll leave it up to others to deal with it how they see fit. Maybe sweet talking them will work. Who knows. |  |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:20 - Jun 22 with 3867 views | Libero |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:17 - Jun 22 by footers |
Spot on, Moose. I'll leave it up to others to deal with it how they see fit. Maybe sweet talking them will work. Who knows. |
I think terming it as “sweet talking” sounds somewhat disparaging, which I’m sure neither you nor Sprucey mean to be. | | | |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:24 - Jun 22 with 3860 views | Ryorry |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 11:02 - Jun 22 by Libero |
Yeah, exactly!
That being said, when I wasn’t in such a good place mentally I would have still told you and anyone else on here that I don’t say anything that I wouldn’t say to someone face to face, that was of course true but what it didn’t take into account that I was confrontational, passive aggressive, self righteous, pious and cutting and often driven by obsessions caused by chemical imbalances that I rode like waves instead of trying to calm and avoid escalation and problematic behaviours.
There’s a fair group of TWTD posters that I really see so much my of myself in when they are going full throttle, they almost always have a decent point to make but are simultaneously under mining it by the nature of how they’re expressing it.
I also don’t believe for a second that anyone WANTS to be a bigot, it takes energy to be so full of hate and it cannot be pleasant to be driven by fear so regularly.
Maybe that’s a good starting position? Along with the PBS philosophy I offered in the post to Joe “for every behaviour there is a reason”
I know it won’t be popular with a lot of posters who share a lot of the political rhetoric I believe in but I’d much prefer to understand a bigot and challenge their preconceptions and intrinsic bias than to punch one.
EDIT: it’s also possible that in my quest for balance I’m somewhat over compensating and being empathetic to the extreme? I don’t know, that’s for others to judge. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 11:12]
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OK, I've read the whole thread!  as at 11.47 when I started to type my response -
Excellent post & contributions from many to the thread, & I'm sure I'm not the only one to appreciate your honesty Libero.
I have facebook as a necessary utility, the messaging service + interest groups are for me the only reasonable way of keeping in touch with some people & activities. However I limit 'friends' to those who I've either met personally, or are friends of friends. No-one who's a racist or expressed any other form of bigotry would stay on my list for a minute. If outside the 'friends' list people in the groups I'm in expressed bigoted views, they'd be quickly pulled up on it. If they then refused to listen to reason, I'd simply block them (unlike here, that means they'd not be able to see anything further I wrote so couldn't then become abusive to me - as well as me not seeing anything further they wrote - a system Twitter uses as well).
Having been the target of bigotry myself from 10-15 yrs old because of ethnicity, I know how lasting the adverse effects of it can be, both negatively (loss of self-confidence) and positively (ingrained passion to fight against injustice in any form). As you've said and others have touched on though, it can then become a question of balancing up the passion to fight against ignorance and injustice, with how much and for how long the individual is able to withstand any personal battering that might come their way, particularly if they're not in the best of health.
It's also a question of what form of communication individuals feel they're most comfortable with and best at. I'm actually much better in writing, but these days struggle more and more to express exactly what I mean, which I think has shown recently.
Importantly also, as you & others have mentioned, I do think a distinction needs to be made between those who are unconsciously/subconsciously unintentionally racist; and those who are, probably know it, but don't care. I write off the last, but think the first grouping are worth persevering with in terms of gently enlightening/educating, as you've found - Joe was spot on with people just becoming further alienated by shouting, but more likely to listen to gentle explanation. |  |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 13:10 - Jun 22 with 3811 views | itfcjoe |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:00 - Jun 22 by SpruceMoose |
So you could probably imagine how after several months and years of this one might get fed up and just lash out.
To be honest, having slept on it, I don't know if I'm going to bother tackling these trolls and racists on here anymore, especially as it seemingly offends so many people far more than the people who are being racist. It's just not worth my time as its an unwinnable battle.
Like Newcy said, so many of the posters involved in this have little to no direct experience of this anyway, and just treat it as a game. There's also an awful lot of 'Of course racism is bad BUT...' posts going round. Disappointing really. I'm actually disappointed with a fair number of people on here, for the first time ever.
So anyway, maybe I'll just watch other folk on here try and sweet talk them out of their bigotry (seeing as I'm constantly assured that's the path the enlightenment for these folk) and slowly sink into a state of misery when they fail. I'll reserve discussions of race and intolerance for the people on here who are actually open to discussion and debate, and continue to try and bring about much needed change in the real world.
Aiming for that to be my only contribution to this thread, don't want to start another brawl! [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 12:05]
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"especially as it seemingly offends so many people far more than the people who are being racist."
This just sums up the approach, and followed up by footers post re 'Sweet talking' | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 13:18 - Jun 22 with 3795 views | Herbivore |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 13:10 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
"especially as it seemingly offends so many people far more than the people who are being racist."
This just sums up the approach, and followed up by footers post re 'Sweet talking' |
They have a point, imo. Certainly some posters seem to complain a lot more about the tone of people challenging bigotry than they do about the bigotry itself. In fact lots of people who are happy to let some pretty dodgy views just slide by without saying a word are quite vocal in criticising people who challenge those views forcefully. It's hard not to draw the conclusion that they're more bothered by the tone of the challenging than by the actual bigotry when that's the case. |  |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:00 - Jun 22 with 3756 views | itfcjoe |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 13:18 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
They have a point, imo. Certainly some posters seem to complain a lot more about the tone of people challenging bigotry than they do about the bigotry itself. In fact lots of people who are happy to let some pretty dodgy views just slide by without saying a word are quite vocal in criticising people who challenge those views forcefully. It's hard not to draw the conclusion that they're more bothered by the tone of the challenging than by the actual bigotry when that's the case. |
I just find it is the binary nature of it, where a misstep or a view that isn't shared means they become as bad as those doing Nazi salutes in front of war memorials.
Racism isn't binary it is nuanced, by attacking those whose views may be just old fashioned and uneducated on the matter they just get pushed further and further the wrong direction. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:08 - Jun 22 with 3740 views | Herbivore |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:00 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
I just find it is the binary nature of it, where a misstep or a view that isn't shared means they become as bad as those doing Nazi salutes in front of war memorials.
Racism isn't binary it is nuanced, by attacking those whose views may be just old fashioned and uneducated on the matter they just get pushed further and further the wrong direction. |
Fair bit of straw manning there. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:22 - Jun 22 with 3702 views | Darth_Koont |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:00 - Jun 22 by itfcjoe |
I just find it is the binary nature of it, where a misstep or a view that isn't shared means they become as bad as those doing Nazi salutes in front of war memorials.
Racism isn't binary it is nuanced, by attacking those whose views may be just old fashioned and uneducated on the matter they just get pushed further and further the wrong direction. |
It's become so "nuanced" in this country that it's now tolerated to be anti-muslim or anti-Roma for example.
I think we can establish standards here. It doesn't mean that a person is 100% defined by a particular view but those antisocial views themselves should be called out rather than excused. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:40 - Jun 22 with 3667 views | lowhouseblue |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:22 - Jun 22 by Darth_Koont |
It's become so "nuanced" in this country that it's now tolerated to be anti-muslim or anti-Roma for example.
I think we can establish standards here. It doesn't mean that a person is 100% defined by a particular view but those antisocial views themselves should be called out rather than excused. |
i think you've missed the point and just offered further binary labels - 'anti-muslim' or 'anti-roma'. amongst all the views that might be expressed who gets to decide if a particular view is 'anti-muslim'? if you oppose halal slaughter are you 'anti-muslim'? if you oppose sharia courts are you 'anti-muslim'? etc etc. binary labels like this often just serve to stigmatise people and shut down discussion - it's often a way of dismissing stuff that doesn't fit your script. |  |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:50 - Jun 22 with 3653 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 12:24 - Jun 22 by Ryorry |
OK, I've read the whole thread! as at 11.47 when I started to type my response -
Excellent post & contributions from many to the thread, & I'm sure I'm not the only one to appreciate your honesty Libero.
I have facebook as a necessary utility, the messaging service + interest groups are for me the only reasonable way of keeping in touch with some people & activities. However I limit 'friends' to those who I've either met personally, or are friends of friends. No-one who's a racist or expressed any other form of bigotry would stay on my list for a minute. If outside the 'friends' list people in the groups I'm in expressed bigoted views, they'd be quickly pulled up on it. If they then refused to listen to reason, I'd simply block them (unlike here, that means they'd not be able to see anything further I wrote so couldn't then become abusive to me - as well as me not seeing anything further they wrote - a system Twitter uses as well).
Having been the target of bigotry myself from 10-15 yrs old because of ethnicity, I know how lasting the adverse effects of it can be, both negatively (loss of self-confidence) and positively (ingrained passion to fight against injustice in any form). As you've said and others have touched on though, it can then become a question of balancing up the passion to fight against ignorance and injustice, with how much and for how long the individual is able to withstand any personal battering that might come their way, particularly if they're not in the best of health.
It's also a question of what form of communication individuals feel they're most comfortable with and best at. I'm actually much better in writing, but these days struggle more and more to express exactly what I mean, which I think has shown recently.
Importantly also, as you & others have mentioned, I do think a distinction needs to be made between those who are unconsciously/subconsciously unintentionally racist; and those who are, probably know it, but don't care. I write off the last, but think the first grouping are worth persevering with in terms of gently enlightening/educating, as you've found - Joe was spot on with people just becoming further alienated by shouting, but more likely to listen to gentle explanation. |
"I do think a distinction needs to be made between those who are unconsciously/subconsciously unintentionally racist; and those who are, probably know it, but don't care."
After reading through a lot of yesterdays posts, I feel there is another group that are aware they hold racist views and wish to disguise those viewpoints by posting statements that have the sole aim of discrediting or devaluing anti-racist content.
I feel that these people are dangerous if they are not challenged. Not everyone can pick up on it without others challenging it.
The OP of yesterday's thread in question chucked out the not so subtle "all lives matter" one. On the face of it, who can argue? All of us agree that all lives matter. But it's not the point of the BLM slogan.
Others are more subtle and I'm proud to see NB doubling down in this thread. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 14:53]
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:56 - Jun 22 with 3630 views | Darth_Koont |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:40 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue |
i think you've missed the point and just offered further binary labels - 'anti-muslim' or 'anti-roma'. amongst all the views that might be expressed who gets to decide if a particular view is 'anti-muslim'? if you oppose halal slaughter are you 'anti-muslim'? if you oppose sharia courts are you 'anti-muslim'? etc etc. binary labels like this often just serve to stigmatise people and shut down discussion - it's often a way of dismissing stuff that doesn't fit your script. |
You can be opposed to halal slaughter, sharia courts etc. as long as it's reasonable and consistent. I have zero problem with people who don't want religious beliefs to interfere with the secular and humanist principles we all can live by.
If they have a reasonable and consistent view then why not start with that? Or at least bring it up when challenged? The problem is that too many really do think that Islam itself is a danger to "our way of life". Why? How? God knows but that's the nature of their own narrow belief.
I'm certainly going to challenge them if it's not clear. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:59 - Jun 22 with 3617 views | Libero |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:50 - Jun 22 by Kropotkin123 |
"I do think a distinction needs to be made between those who are unconsciously/subconsciously unintentionally racist; and those who are, probably know it, but don't care."
After reading through a lot of yesterdays posts, I feel there is another group that are aware they hold racist views and wish to disguise those viewpoints by posting statements that have the sole aim of discrediting or devaluing anti-racist content.
I feel that these people are dangerous if they are not challenged. Not everyone can pick up on it without others challenging it.
The OP of yesterday's thread in question chucked out the not so subtle "all lives matter" one. On the face of it, who can argue? All of us agree that all lives matter. But it's not the point of the BLM slogan.
Others are more subtle and I'm proud to see NB doubling down in this thread. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 14:53]
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Yep, there’s a small cohort of posters who appear to repeatedly make bad faith/disingenuous arguments that just so happen correlate with those attempting to discredit/de-value anti racist content.
Maintaining just enough plausible deniability for those not aware of wider context to give them the benefit of the doubt. Very insipid. | | | |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 15:03 - Jun 22 with 3593 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:59 - Jun 22 by Libero |
Yep, there’s a small cohort of posters who appear to repeatedly make bad faith/disingenuous arguments that just so happen correlate with those attempting to discredit/de-value anti racist content.
Maintaining just enough plausible deniability for those not aware of wider context to give them the benefit of the doubt. Very insipid. |
Disingenuous... That's the word I couldn't remember. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 15:36]
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 15:10 - Jun 22 with 3567 views | BlueBadger |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 07:42 - Jun 22 by 26_Paz |
Genuinely racist post need calling out. I do think this board, perhaps more accurately certain individuals that frequent this board, need to be careful about throwing accusations of racism around willy nilly. Apparently the OP in the thread yesterday had a more than suspect posting history, fine call him, grouping others who have agreed with some of his other posts goes a bit far. Just my thoughts. |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 15:11 - Jun 22 with 3566 views | BlueBadger |
Engage, mock and grass up to Phil.
In that order. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 15:13 - Jun 22 with 3555 views | lowhouseblue |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 14:56 - Jun 22 by Darth_Koont |
You can be opposed to halal slaughter, sharia courts etc. as long as it's reasonable and consistent. I have zero problem with people who don't want religious beliefs to interfere with the secular and humanist principles we all can live by.
If they have a reasonable and consistent view then why not start with that? Or at least bring it up when challenged? The problem is that too many really do think that Islam itself is a danger to "our way of life". Why? How? God knows but that's the nature of their own narrow belief.
I'm certainly going to challenge them if it's not clear. |
challenge through discussion rather than labelling sounds good. trying to corral people into pre-defined camps - and camps that are intended to be derogatory - is one of the reasons online discussion goes bad. | |
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| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 15:24 - Jun 22 with 3535 views | Libero |
| Food for thought after yesterday’s lengthy discussion... on 15:13 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue |
challenge through discussion rather than labelling sounds good. trying to corral people into pre-defined camps - and camps that are intended to be derogatory - is one of the reasons online discussion goes bad. |
Indeed, I will however point out that there’s a growing trend from a subsection of posters to cry “bully” even when challenged appropriately. | | | |
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