| Nolan.... 14:50 - Jul 6 with 5240 views | itfcjoe |
Always seems Lambert is a big fan, and tries to get him in the team as soon as he can, and we spent a 7 figure fee on him.
Can see why we've taken the extra year, but not sure he's earned it. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 16:43 - Jul 6 with 2373 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Nolan.... on 16:32 - Jul 6 by clive_baker |
Yes, that'll be the one. We didn't buy him at our current level so I'm not sure our pulling power today is relevant, we bought him off the back of a pretty comfortable season in the Championship. I'm not disputing that he's OK relative to our current crock of sh1t, but if you look through the top scorers in L1 you'll be hard pushed to find worse value that £1.6m for an 11 goal return. |
11 goals in a season that was cut short - it's not unreasonable to say he'd have got to 15 had the season finshed properly.
Although I do accept your point that we didn't buy him at our current level... |  |
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| Nolan.... on 16:45 - Jul 6 with 2370 views | BlueBadger |
| Nolan.... on 16:06 - Jul 6 by Illinoisblue |
If he and Judge can up their game considerably it will be - cliche klaxon rings - like having two new players. Let’s be honest they were both s5it last season. |
As I understand it, it wasn't Judge's fault he was sh1t last seaosn it was the fault of all the players around him. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 16:46 - Jul 6 with 2362 views | Parsley |
| Nolan.... on 15:55 - Jul 6 by tractorboy1978 |
The amount of money that has been wasted under ME is incredible. Even before last season, if you were to list all of the buys above £1m, how many of those were a success? McAuley was probably the best. Norris second, but did nowhere near enough to warrant a £2m fee.
McAuley
Norris
Civelli
Priskin
Edwards
Leadbitter
Martin
Scotland
Chopra
JET
Taylor |
Did all of those players end up leaving on a free? |  | | |
| Nolan.... on 16:48 - Jul 6 with 2355 views | Illinoisblue |
| Nolan.... on 15:55 - Jul 6 by tractorboy1978 |
The amount of money that has been wasted under ME is incredible. Even before last season, if you were to list all of the buys above £1m, how many of those were a success? McAuley was probably the best. Norris second, but did nowhere near enough to warrant a £2m fee.
McAuley
Norris
Civelli
Priskin
Edwards
Leadbitter
Martin
Scotland
Chopra
JET
Taylor |
The 1.5million for Lee Martin is in the top three of worst buys ever. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 16:50 - Jul 6 with 2347 views | clive_baker |
| Nolan.... on 16:39 - Jul 6 by Herbivore |
Although had Covid not happened I think we'd have at least got our money back on Jackson had we decided to sell. No chance of that with any of the others. |
Quite possibly. I think he's quite a rare commodity in that he's outrageously quick. There's a lot about his game that's far from perfect but equally if he was any better technically, with his pace, he probably wouldn't be here. It would be interesting to see if he flourished under a proper manager, rather than the 2 charlatans he's had in charge since he's been here. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 17:10 - Jul 6 with 2309 views | Steve_M |
| Nolan.... on 15:46 - Jul 6 by clive_baker |
However you cut that £2m across the 2, it certainly feels like a lot of money in hindsight given what both have subsequently contributed, and whatever we paid for Donacien was 100% too much.
£1.6m on Jackson remains questionable, although he's been about the best of a bad bunch I would say. |
Hurst just totally misjudged the division didn't he? Almost seemed to be stuck in a view of it from a decade or so earlier from when he played in it. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 17:24 - Jul 6 with 2290 views | flimflam |
Nolan can and should be very good for us at this level and has shown glimpses of what he is about.
We dont have many other midfielders who would be capable of hitting double figures and Nolan in the right system with license to get forward should at least be close to double figures.
Downes / Nolan / Huws on paper should smash any midfield at this level but it just didnt happen for whatever reason. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 17:42 - Jul 6 with 2282 views | Herbivore |
| Nolan.... on 16:50 - Jul 6 by clive_baker |
Quite possibly. I think he's quite a rare commodity in that he's outrageously quick. There's a lot about his game that's far from perfect but equally if he was any better technically, with his pace, he probably wouldn't be here. It would be interesting to see if he flourished under a proper manager, rather than the 2 charlatans he's had in charge since he's been here. |
Imagine if he'd worked under Mick and TC. We'd have sold him to Derby for £6m by now. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 18:13 - Jul 6 with 2262 views | Ace_High1 |
| Nolan.... on 16:06 - Jul 6 by Illinoisblue |
If he and Judge can up their game considerably it will be - cliche klaxon rings - like having two new players. Let’s be honest they were both s5it last season. |
Yeah imagine those two in a 3 with Bishop, who I hear is back next month?
100 Points, 100 Goals!!!! |  | | |
| Nolan.... on 18:30 - Jul 6 with 2246 views | Coco |
| Nolan.... on 16:06 - Jul 6 by Illinoisblue |
If he and Judge can up their game considerably it will be - cliche klaxon rings - like having two new players. Let’s be honest they were both s5it last season. |
Alan Judge is Just dreadful. Nolan has the ability but is too safe and passive. If he could pull his finger out he could be useful. Needs a Magilton personality. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 18:53 - Jul 6 with 2236 views | patrickswell |
I’m hoping that the fact we’ve taken up the option means we want to try and get some money for him in a sale to whichevér National League North side he can be bothered to try for. |  | | |
| Nolan.... on 21:14 - Jul 6 with 2179 views | StokieBlue |
Given he only passes backwards he is counter-productive to our team. He slows the play down and the opposition get back and organised and we can't break them down.
He shouldn't play. He could be great for another team but just don't want him playing for us.
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| Nolan.... on 21:24 - Jul 6 with 2170 views | hype313 |
When I had a chat with Toto last year at a softplay centre, he mentioned that Nolan and his wife were struggling to settle in the area, wonder if that, along with injuries has caused his form to dip?
There is a player in there, but it's so inconsistent it's hard to justify his starting spot. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 21:28 - Jul 6 with 2162 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Nolan.... on 21:24 - Jul 6 by hype313 |
When I had a chat with Toto last year at a softplay centre, he mentioned that Nolan and his wife were struggling to settle in the area, wonder if that, along with injuries has caused his form to dip?
There is a player in there, but it's so inconsistent it's hard to justify his starting spot. |
"Toto at a soft play centre" "Nolan and his wife struggling to settle in the area".
I can just imagine Roy Keane now. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 23:49 - Jul 6 with 2113 views | Jermynblue |
I think that Nolan is a good example of what is wrong with our midfield. At League 1 level technically he looks good but he is ineffective. I think that too many of our midfielders are ineffective. Our goal scoring record from midfield has been terrible. I think in the League this year, excluding Garbutt, Judge scored 3, Nolan 2, Downes 2, Edwards 2 and Rowe 1. In a team that was top in the early part of the season and top half for the rest that is dreadfully ineffective even in a shortened season. I see players with less technical ability in this League that have more influence on games in terms of goal scoring and thus putting their team in a position to win games. Not only do they not score many goals some of them are very weak defensively when we do not have the ball. This would include not tracking back their opposite number, not defending as a unit, poor tackling, not competing in the air and at set pieces. If they were exceptional defensively you could perhaps accept the lack of goalscoring, but when they at not proficient at either then that is a problem
Looking ahead to next season, I can't see the same player contributing many more goals from midfield. There seems a lack of desire to try to score but instead just a will to pass the ball with no purpose of scoring or generating chances. There are also other significant weaknesses within our midfield than need to be addressed regardless of the manager and formation. These include:
1) lack of athleticism and physicality. Too many players that have good technical ability but get outrun or outbattled in midfield. This was also a contributory factor in the Championship regulation which I think was overlooked. I would says that Downes is the only midfielder we have with the necessary athleticism and physicality.
2) Mental fortitude seems weaker than other teams in the division. When games become tough there does not appear the mental strength to recover the initiative.
3) Too many players are injury prone.
4) Total lack of movement. Player on the ball has limited options to pass and when a player has passed the ball that player rarely moves to make themselves available again as another option. It seems that our technical players do not want to do the hard work of movement or have no awareness of how to move to make themselves available
We all hope that Bishop, Huws or Dozell might have an impact if the could play a whole season,but if they did how many goals would they score despite their technical ability? Would Dozzell and Bishop be good enough defending against their opposite number when we do not have the ball or would they lack the athleticism, physicality and mental fortitude when games get tough? I have my doubts but would be delighted if they proved me wrong. |  | | |
| Nolan.... on 07:23 - Jul 7 with 2050 views | Keaneish |
Tidy on the ball but does absolutely nothing with it - Dozzell is more productive and he rarely gets a run of games. |  |
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| Nolan.... on 07:46 - Jul 7 with 2033 views | PJH |
| Nolan.... on 07:23 - Jul 7 by Keaneish |
Tidy on the ball but does absolutely nothing with it - Dozzell is more productive and he rarely gets a run of games. |
I think that being 'tidy on the ball' is the best that can be said about Nolan.
He does not often give the ball away because he is usually passing to a teammate about two yards away and slightly behind him.
He cannot tackle so he has to have someone get the ball for him so that he can then pass it two yards and slightly backwards. |  | | |
| Nolan.... on 09:33 - Jul 7 with 1988 views | Libero |
| Nolan.... on 23:49 - Jul 6 by Jermynblue |
I think that Nolan is a good example of what is wrong with our midfield. At League 1 level technically he looks good but he is ineffective. I think that too many of our midfielders are ineffective. Our goal scoring record from midfield has been terrible. I think in the League this year, excluding Garbutt, Judge scored 3, Nolan 2, Downes 2, Edwards 2 and Rowe 1. In a team that was top in the early part of the season and top half for the rest that is dreadfully ineffective even in a shortened season. I see players with less technical ability in this League that have more influence on games in terms of goal scoring and thus putting their team in a position to win games. Not only do they not score many goals some of them are very weak defensively when we do not have the ball. This would include not tracking back their opposite number, not defending as a unit, poor tackling, not competing in the air and at set pieces. If they were exceptional defensively you could perhaps accept the lack of goalscoring, but when they at not proficient at either then that is a problem
Looking ahead to next season, I can't see the same player contributing many more goals from midfield. There seems a lack of desire to try to score but instead just a will to pass the ball with no purpose of scoring or generating chances. There are also other significant weaknesses within our midfield than need to be addressed regardless of the manager and formation. These include:
1) lack of athleticism and physicality. Too many players that have good technical ability but get outrun or outbattled in midfield. This was also a contributory factor in the Championship regulation which I think was overlooked. I would says that Downes is the only midfielder we have with the necessary athleticism and physicality.
2) Mental fortitude seems weaker than other teams in the division. When games become tough there does not appear the mental strength to recover the initiative.
3) Too many players are injury prone.
4) Total lack of movement. Player on the ball has limited options to pass and when a player has passed the ball that player rarely moves to make themselves available again as another option. It seems that our technical players do not want to do the hard work of movement or have no awareness of how to move to make themselves available
We all hope that Bishop, Huws or Dozell might have an impact if the could play a whole season,but if they did how many goals would they score despite their technical ability? Would Dozzell and Bishop be good enough defending against their opposite number when we do not have the ball or would they lack the athleticism, physicality and mental fortitude when games get tough? I have my doubts but would be delighted if they proved me wrong. |
Teddy Bishop's back to full fitness next month. |  | | |
| Nolan.... on 07:47 - Jul 8 with 1901 views | BryanPlug |
| Nolan.... on 15:21 - Jul 6 by Ace_High1 |
The definition of a player which the game passes by.
A bit like Ross Barkley - doesn't score goals, doesn't break up the play, doesn't assist - just offers nothing other than run around a little in the middle of the park. |
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| Nolan.... on 10:14 - Jul 8 with 1851 views | Coco |
| Nolan.... on 09:33 - Jul 7 by Libero |
Teddy Bishop's back to full fitness next month. |
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| Nolan.... on 14:01 - Jul 8 with 1819 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Nolan.... on 15:07 - Jul 6 by clive_baker |
Its not a popular opinion but I quite like him. He was great for Shrewsbury at this level and I was excited when we signed him, but its never quite happened. He's busy, energetic, and I like that he has a bit of urgency on the ball and looks to move it on quickly. He ticks us over nicely and I think could offer a goal threat too. As much as I like Huws on paper, in reality he was so pedestrian last season and personified everything that was wrong with us, which was by no means solely Huws fault. We were so pedestrian, lethargic. I want to see energy people. [Post edited 6 Jul 2020 15:12]
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He's no Luke Hyam. |  | | |
| Nolan.... on 14:05 - Jul 8 with 1814 views | Libero |
Luke Hyam's targeting 6 goals from midfield this season. | | | |
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