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A lawyer on Today even floated the idea of cancelling ALL historical statues, paintings, and physical memorials because 'standards change and people whom today seem great may be hiding dark secrets' Bonkers.
Am all for free speech. Owen Jones and his cabal can scream "offence" until their lungs turn inside out. Makes my blood boil if you hadn't guessed.
Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
Anyone who claims to be liberal yet supports cancel culture needs to do some soul searching... them calling themselves liberal is about as apt as Nigel Farage trying to claim to be a man of the people
That's an impressively ill-conceived contribution.
On which subject? I've forgotten what it was you wanted to ask about.
You inferred that Hampstead was a bigot, and he replied that you were being bigoted towards bigots (sorry, I've been painting my garage since this all started).
You inferred that Hampstead was a bigot, and he replied that you were being bigoted towards bigots (sorry, I've been painting my garage since this all started).
I didn't infer Hampstead was a bigot. I said, with exasperation illustrated by a face-palm smiley, that we should definitely be more worried about those that oppose bigots than the bigots. This was in response to Hampstead's post in which he claimed people opposing bigotry were enemies of free speech and making the wolr very 1984-like. I am less worried about those vocally opposing bigotry than I am about the seeming rise of bigotry.
Your entire premise was based on you being a flouncey bellend rather than on reality. It's not worthy of anything more than ridicule and derision.
no, my premise is that the implication of the position you and your echoes are advancing is that the lived experience of being a biological woman is of no significance whatsoever. if you assert that someone who choses to identify their gender as female is in all respects the same as someone who is a biological woman then you are denying everything that is unique about the identity of biological women. how can that not be misogynist? for men to be telling biological women that their lived identify doesn't exist in any distinctive way is frankly as misogynist as anything i can imagine.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
no, my premise is that the implication of the position you and your echoes are advancing is that the lived experience of being a biological woman is of no significance whatsoever. if you assert that someone who choses to identify their gender as female is in all respects the same as someone who is a biological woman then you are denying everything that is unique about the identity of biological women. how can that not be misogynist? for men to be telling biological women that their lived identify doesn't exist in any distinctive way is frankly as misogynist as anything i can imagine.
no, my premise is that the implication of the position you and your echoes are advancing is that the lived experience of being a biological woman is of no significance whatsoever. if you assert that someone who choses to identify their gender as female is in all respects the same as someone who is a biological woman then you are denying everything that is unique about the identity of biological women. how can that not be misogynist? for men to be telling biological women that their lived identify doesn't exist in any distinctive way is frankly as misogynist as anything i can imagine.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
ok, so you and your echoes are actually saying that trans women are distinct from biological women and that the later have their own distinct lived experience?
if that's right then my premise was indeed wrong and i apologise for wasting your time.
isn't nice to get these things clear.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
ok, so you and your echoes are actually saying that trans women are distinct from biological women and that the later have their own distinct lived experience?
if that's right then my premise was indeed wrong and i apologise for wasting your time.
isn't nice to get these things clear.
It would be nice if you could post something coherent...
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
ok, so you and your echoes are actually saying that trans women are distinct from biological women and that the later have their own distinct lived experience?
if that's right then my premise was indeed wrong and i apologise for wasting your time.
isn't nice to get these things clear.
Who has claimed that the lived experiences of cis women and trans women are identical? I haven't seen such a claim anywhere in this thread.
Who has claimed that the lived experiences of cis women and trans women are identical? I haven't seen such a claim anywhere in this thread.
and the implication of that is that trans women are distinct from biological women and that the later have their own distinct lived experience.
we agree. isn't harmony great.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
It would be nice if you could post something coherent...
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oh do grow up. or stick to tik tok.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
Christ! Your empty head makes a lot of noise with all that echoing. You have nothing worth discussing.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Don't get upset. Just keep impotently mashing that downvote button mate. That'll make you feel better.
Might also distract you from the fact that you've waded in here, made up a load of bollox, then had a right old flounce about it and wet yourself when people have pulled you up on it.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Christ! Your empty head makes a lot of noise with all that echoing. You have nothing worth discussing.
oh dear.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Nobody ever responds to your points because your points are always either incredibly stupid or nonsensical, and treating them with respect would be below any semi-sentient being.
The village marrow growers club might nod in all the right places while you drone on over tea and Battenburg, albeit with dead eyes and a desperate desire to be anywhere else rather than listening to you, but one can only imagine what they say about you after you've gone.
So, my advice to you would be to stick to your echo chamber mate, you'll be much happier there than out here in the real world.
To be fair, I don't think lowhouse has ever complained that he/she is being bullied.
And don't assume that a love of the sublime cake that is Battenberg aligns with a purview generally expressed by lowhouse, or that we who see the light of truth in Battenberg also grow marrows, although in my case I am growing quite a few marrows this summer - but that is Covid-19 related.
Also, you expressed a desire for Morgan to be consigned to an enclosure in an earlier post. Have you not seen this film?
Don't get upset. Just keep impotently mashing that downvote button mate. That'll make you feel better.
Might also distract you from the fact that you've waded in here, made up a load of bollox, then had a right old flounce about it and wet yourself when people have pulled you up on it.
if you keep flailing your arms around like this you're only going to end up hitting yourself you know. but still it's quite fun to watch
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
if you keep flailing your arms around like this you're only going to end up hitting yourself you know. but still it's quite fun to watch
Nap time for you. You've had a busy morning of confusion and anger.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
and the implication of that is that trans women are distinct from biological women and that the later have their own distinct lived experience.
we agree. isn't harmony great.
Yes, much in the same way that my lived experience as a straight white man will be distinct from the lived experience of a gay man or a Black man. We all still manage to share a changing room though.
and the implication of that is that trans women are distinct from biological women and that the later have their own distinct lived experience.
we agree. isn't harmony great.
Oh and by the way Mr Bigly Brain... there's a difference between 'latter' and 'later'.
A less generous person might ask who the real 'thicky' is here, seeing as you're going to question the intelligence of others. If you do that, then stuff like that is important don't you think?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
FWIW I don’t think your comparison is like for like
The separate toilet suggestion was clumsy however I’ve assumed it was meant to give those people uncomfortable with using the toilet of their biological gender another option, rather than forcing them to use that toilet. Whereas the example you cited was a separate ‘Negro’ toilet that black people had to use. I think on this subject the suggestion has merit - although I’d word differently as a unisex option (which does actually exist in a number of places) rather than a trans option
Ultimately it’s a very difficult subject and difficult to pinpoint a solution that works for all. I would suggest that the majority of people do believe trans people have the right to live as the gender they choose without persecution, however at the same time that right shouldn’t impede on the rights of others (in this case women)
As a straight male it’s not easy to assess where that happens, but I do find it interesting that there seem to be a lot of straight males quick to dismiss those women who do have concerns, which from my experience certainly isn’t a minority. I also don’t think it’s fair to dismiss those concerns as transphobic when as far as I can tell the fear in this case is around biological men being what women perceive as being their safe space - regardless of how those men identify
Well said.
Yes, I did express it clumsily re the "separate toilet" and yes, I did mean it as another option - the unisex idea is excellent.
I do hope people are prepared to learn from this as Moose said (after reading the whole thread, which was rightly pointed out to me a couple of weeks ago as an essential before jumping in). What's the old adage about "walk a mile in someone's shoes"?
Yes, I did express it clumsily re the "separate toilet" and yes, I did mean it as another option - the unisex idea is excellent.
I do hope people are prepared to learn from this as Moose said (after reading the whole thread, which was rightly pointed out to me a couple of weeks ago as an essential before jumping in). What's the old adage about "walk a mile in someone's shoes"?
But what if trans people don't want to use unisex spaces either? They may not feel comfortable sharing a space that can also be used by men, given that they are also often victims of harassment, bullying and worse from men. It's still not a really inclusive solution.
Let's be honest. The argument on this essentially centres around only one part of the trans community: male-to-female, pre-op.
Would the objecting posters be worried about men sharing a toilet with female-to-male, post ops?
Or would women be bothered about sharing a toilet with a male-to-female, post op?
Let's call it for what it is, at least. And if that is the only 'troublesome' group, then how about a bathroom just for them until they get it cut off?
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FWIW I don’t think your comparison is like for like
The separate toilet suggestion was clumsy however I’ve assumed it was meant to give those people uncomfortable with using the toilet of their biological gender another option, rather than forcing them to use that toilet. Whereas the example you cited was a separate ‘Negro’ toilet that black people had to use. I think on this subject the suggestion has merit - although I’d word differently as a unisex option (which does actually exist in a number of places) rather than a trans option
Ultimately it’s a very difficult subject and difficult to pinpoint a solution that works for all. I would suggest that the majority of people do believe trans people have the right to live as the gender they choose without persecution, however at the same time that right shouldn’t impede on the rights of others (in this case women)
As a straight male it’s not easy to assess where that happens, but I do find it interesting that there seem to be a lot of straight males quick to dismiss those women who do have concerns, which from my experience certainly isn’t a minority. I also don’t think it’s fair to dismiss those concerns as transphobic when as far as I can tell the fear in this case is around biological men being what women perceive as being their safe space - regardless of how those men identify
You managed to articulate that far better than i ever could. That's why i didn't even try!
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