| France are having no luck. on 10:57 - Jul 18 with 3339 views | footers |
A sign of the End Times, and that most of you haven't been reading your Bibles as you should.
Still, there's always millions poured into funds like this from the great and good. Less so for more immediate, human problems, but cathedrals look nice and aren't as complex. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 12:45 - Jul 18 with 3231 views | Ftnfwest |
Don’t worry only 4 years before Notre Dame is completely re built as promised by macron |  | | |
| France are having no luck. on 13:11 - Jul 18 with 3195 views | monytowbray |
Churches should be museums or destroyed.
Organised religion is a cancer (although I respect people’s right to believe in what they want if they don’t hurt others, but organised religion is arguably more corrupt than our current government. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 13:19 - Jul 18 with 3184 views | eastangliaisblue |
| France are having no luck. on 13:11 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
Churches should be museums or destroyed.
Organised religion is a cancer (although I respect people’s right to believe in what they want if they don’t hurt others, but organised religion is arguably more corrupt than our current government. |
I totally agree with you about religion, but destroying churches is a bit much, isn't it Henry? |  | | |
| France are having no luck. on 13:56 - Jul 18 with 3131 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 13:19 - Jul 18 by eastangliaisblue |
I totally agree with you about religion, but destroying churches is a bit much, isn't it Henry? |
Well the first option is turn them into museums.
Great way to educate people on how religion has continually halted human progress. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 14:13 - Jul 18 with 3090 views | brogansnose |
| France are having no luck. on 13:11 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
Churches should be museums or destroyed.
Organised religion is a cancer (although I respect people’s right to believe in what they want if they don’t hurt others, but organised religion is arguably more corrupt than our current government. |
Not sure if you're trolling here Callis. I'm not keen on organised religion or the sway it has in society but knocking down churches is a bit far. These buildings were erected by people in their short lives living in , well , Medieval conditions. They are should also be seen as a testament to the skill and pride of the working class and are the only mark that they left on this planet rather than the paintings and statues of the 'great and good.' Like Brecht said, ' History is not made by great men.'
Tackle the iniquities of religion not its artifacts. |  | | |
| France are having no luck. on 14:56 - Jul 18 with 3035 views | NthQldITFC |
| France are having no luck. on 13:11 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
Churches should be museums or destroyed.
Organised religion is a cancer (although I respect people’s right to believe in what they want if they don’t hurt others, but organised religion is arguably more corrupt than our current government. |
I love a good church meself. Nice and cool to wander into after a hot bike ride to look at a fascinating hotchpotch of centuries of architecture, carving, and minutiae of repairs, centuries-old graffiti etc.
I'm a non-believer myself, and agree with your sentiments about organised religion in general, but it's easy to get too carried away and tar them all with the same brush. I presume that most religions started as philosophies of good intention, and became corrupted by the greedy, manipulative and power-hungry weak-minded fools who exist in all walks of life. I think that most religious officers, certainly at the grass roots level, tend to be benevolent well-intentioned people, usually pretty tolerant even of irreverent pagans like me! |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 15:31 - Jul 18 with 2999 views | leitrimblue |
I think it's possibly that the French are just a tad clumsy with their cathedrals. I use to have a neighbour that loved to fry up chips after getting half pissed in pub. Would have 1-2 chip pan fires a year.... |  | | |
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| France are having no luck. on 15:40 - Jul 18 with 2980 views | Guthrum |
| France are having no luck. on 13:56 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
Well the first option is turn them into museums.
Great way to educate people on how religion has continually halted human progress. |
Continually halted human progress?
Those who pushed for the abolition of slavery and the great social reforms of the 19th century were all involved in organised religion. It was organised religion which preserved and propagated culture and learning during the Middle Ages (not to mention providing the bulk of helath and social care). Catholic Liberation Theology opposed oppressive regimes in Latin America. C of E vicars were among the first supporters of Charles Darwin.
The church vs progress/science narrative is largely the invention of certain enlightenment and 19th century writers and their followers. Often thinking of situations like 18th century Spain and Italy, which were particularly reactionary and did crack down on independent thought. But that doesn't reflect what was happening in other times and places. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 15:43 - Jul 18 with 2977 views | Swansea_Blue |
| France are having no luck. on 10:57 - Jul 18 by footers |
A sign of the End Times, and that most of you haven't been reading your Bibles as you should.
Still, there's always millions poured into funds like this from the great and good. Less so for more immediate, human problems, but cathedrals look nice and aren't as complex. |
Shame. We often use Nantes as a stop over if we go down to SW France. Not sure what that’s got to do with anything though  . |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 16:17 - Jul 18 with 2940 views | GlasgowBlue |
| France are having no luck. on 15:40 - Jul 18 by Guthrum |
Continually halted human progress?
Those who pushed for the abolition of slavery and the great social reforms of the 19th century were all involved in organised religion. It was organised religion which preserved and propagated culture and learning during the Middle Ages (not to mention providing the bulk of helath and social care). Catholic Liberation Theology opposed oppressive regimes in Latin America. C of E vicars were among the first supporters of Charles Darwin.
The church vs progress/science narrative is largely the invention of certain enlightenment and 19th century writers and their followers. Often thinking of situations like 18th century Spain and Italy, which were particularly reactionary and did crack down on independent thought. But that doesn't reflect what was happening in other times and places. |
Don’t piss in his parade by posting facts Guthers. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:06 - Jul 18 with 2890 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 16:17 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Don’t piss in his parade by posting facts Guthers. |
Middle class white boys. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:10 - Jul 18 with 2884 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 15:40 - Jul 18 by Guthrum |
Continually halted human progress?
Those who pushed for the abolition of slavery and the great social reforms of the 19th century were all involved in organised religion. It was organised religion which preserved and propagated culture and learning during the Middle Ages (not to mention providing the bulk of helath and social care). Catholic Liberation Theology opposed oppressive regimes in Latin America. C of E vicars were among the first supporters of Charles Darwin.
The church vs progress/science narrative is largely the invention of certain enlightenment and 19th century writers and their followers. Often thinking of situations like 18th century Spain and Italy, which were particularly reactionary and did crack down on independent thought. But that doesn't reflect what was happening in other times and places. |
On the whole believing in sky men, still to this day, is largely responsible for atrocities around the world and the anti-progress of humanity/science/fact. Look at the evangelical love for Trump RN. Or the message the catholic church sent in regards to HIV and protection. Or the manipulation of the Koran to encourage martyrdom in the 70s/80s. Or Saudi laws. Or the rights of women being trod on by pro lifers.
I imagine as an educated guy you fully see where I am coming from?
Glassers should wait for a reply before he spaffs his pants with hot takes. 2020 should have been the year he shut his mouth and listened but that Tory cognitive dissonance lives on. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:13 - Jul 18 with 2882 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| France are having no luck. on 13:11 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
Churches should be museums or destroyed.
Organised religion is a cancer (although I respect people’s right to believe in what they want if they don’t hurt others, but organised religion is arguably more corrupt than our current government. |
"Organised religion is a cancer (although I respect people’s right to believe in what they want if they don’t hurt others, but organised religion is arguably more corrupt than our current government."
So people should be free to believe what they want to believe ... but not what I don't think they should. Interesting idea of freedom of belief. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:16 - Jul 18 with 2876 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 17:13 - Jul 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Organised religion is a cancer (although I respect people’s right to believe in what they want if they don’t hurt others, but organised religion is arguably more corrupt than our current government."
So people should be free to believe what they want to believe ... but not what I don't think they should. Interesting idea of freedom of belief. |
If that’s your take on my comment you either lack a brain or you’re ignorant. In fact you’ve managed to completely miss the point.
Do you respect the views of racists too or do you agree with them?
Think before you post. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:21 - Jul 18 with 2868 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| France are having no luck. on 17:16 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
If that’s your take on my comment you either lack a brain or you’re ignorant. In fact you’ve managed to completely miss the point.
Do you respect the views of racists too or do you agree with them?
Think before you post. |
It is your bigotry that breaks the "think before you post".
I do think there should be limits on freedom yes. However, I do not think either following your atheistic philosophy or any of the religious non-freedom models that happen in many parts of the world is right.
Not going to bother to argue further because you are too blind to reason with as continually proven and immediately resort to insults like you already have. Good night. | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:27 - Jul 18 with 2844 views | Ryorry |
| France are having no luck. on 14:13 - Jul 18 by brogansnose |
Not sure if you're trolling here Callis. I'm not keen on organised religion or the sway it has in society but knocking down churches is a bit far. These buildings were erected by people in their short lives living in , well , Medieval conditions. They are should also be seen as a testament to the skill and pride of the working class and are the only mark that they left on this planet rather than the paintings and statues of the 'great and good.' Like Brecht said, ' History is not made by great men.'
Tackle the iniquities of religion not its artifacts. |
Eloquent. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:30 - Jul 18 with 2846 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 17:21 - Jul 18 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is your bigotry that breaks the "think before you post".
I do think there should be limits on freedom yes. However, I do not think either following your atheistic philosophy or any of the religious non-freedom models that happen in many parts of the world is right.
Not going to bother to argue further because you are too blind to reason with as continually proven and immediately resort to insults like you already have. Good night. |
You seem to have failed to grasp the difference between religious belief and organised religion, which makes your entire point a non-starter.
Don’t run off pretending moral high ground because you can’t engage your brain, that’s your argument to have with yourself.
THE LEFT ARE THE REAL BIGOTS! | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:33 - Jul 18 with 2833 views | Ryorry |
| France are having no luck. on 17:10 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
On the whole believing in sky men, still to this day, is largely responsible for atrocities around the world and the anti-progress of humanity/science/fact. Look at the evangelical love for Trump RN. Or the message the catholic church sent in regards to HIV and protection. Or the manipulation of the Koran to encourage martyrdom in the 70s/80s. Or Saudi laws. Or the rights of women being trod on by pro lifers.
I imagine as an educated guy you fully see where I am coming from?
Glassers should wait for a reply before he spaffs his pants with hot takes. 2020 should have been the year he shut his mouth and listened but that Tory cognitive dissonance lives on. |
There's good and bad bits & people in everything on earth.
You could do a + and - cost sheet, work out the balance, take the best bits & fight against the bad bits. I think that's how flawed humankind has managed to evolve over time.
I do sometimes wish we could have just got stuck in the mid-to-late 1960s tho ... | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:37 - Jul 18 with 2834 views | jeera |
| France are having no luck. on 17:16 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
If that’s your take on my comment you either lack a brain or you’re ignorant. In fact you’ve managed to completely miss the point.
Do you respect the views of racists too or do you agree with them?
Think before you post. |
Lashing out again?
Nthsuffolk's one of the good guys, even if we don't always agree ourselves.
Think before you post fella. |  |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:39 - Jul 18 with 2824 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 17:33 - Jul 18 by Ryorry |
There's good and bad bits & people in everything on earth.
You could do a + and - cost sheet, work out the balance, take the best bits & fight against the bad bits. I think that's how flawed humankind has managed to evolve over time.
I do sometimes wish we could have just got stuck in the mid-to-late 1960s tho ... |
Organised religion is corrupt and hideously hypocritical by interpretation of texts that were the word of man told by “God”.
I have plenty of my own beliefs and communities with like minded individuals but no one is grossly profiting through active greed or a set of rules that can be changed depending on how they are read.
Perhaps there’s a market in a vegan-based religion?! That’d be a good way to ruin it on second thought? | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:40 - Jul 18 with 2818 views | monytowbray |
| France are having no luck. on 17:37 - Jul 18 by jeera |
Lashing out again?
Nthsuffolk's one of the good guys, even if we don't always agree ourselves.
Think before you post fella. |
I mean, missing the point and putting incredibly assumed words in my mouth from his own incorrect conclusion was never going to start well, was it? | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:52 - Jul 18 with 2779 views | SpruceMoose |
| France are having no luck. on 16:17 - Jul 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Don’t piss in his parade by posting facts Guthers. |
Like your BLM 'facts' you keep peddling, like some kind of pound shop Trump? Are those the facts you mean Gibbers? [Post edited 18 Jul 2020 17:55]
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| France are having no luck. on 17:54 - Jul 18 with 2770 views | SpruceMoose |
| France are having no luck. on 17:40 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
I mean, missing the point and putting incredibly assumed words in my mouth from his own incorrect conclusion was never going to start well, was it? |
It's a hot one today! No good can come from this thread. Everyone go for a walk and come back later! | |
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| France are having no luck. on 17:59 - Jul 18 with 2761 views | jeera |
| France are having no luck. on 17:40 - Jul 18 by monytowbray |
I mean, missing the point and putting incredibly assumed words in my mouth from his own incorrect conclusion was never going to start well, was it? |
He didn't miss any point.
He has beliefs that you and I don't share with him, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be treated with some respect.
He is entitled to stand up for those beliefs without being belittled. | |
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