| 433 Line Ups 16:16 - Aug 20 with 13118 views | itfcjoe |
I accept not everyone will agree with these teams, but we can put out 2 strong teams at this level, and also have proper quality in a 3rd XI
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KVY-----Chambers----Woolfenden----Ward
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------------Bishop-----------Huws---------------
---Jackson---------------------------Edwards--
---------------------Norwood--------------------
----------------------Cornell-------------------------
Donacien-----Nsiala----Wilson----Kenlock
--------------------Skuse-----------------------
------------Judge-----------El Mizouni---------------
---Lankester---------------------------Sears--
---------------------Hawkins--------------------
----------------------Wright-------------------------
Crowe-----Cotter----Ndaba----Nydam
--------------------McGavin-----------------------
------------Nolan-----------Dozzell---------------
---Folami---------------------------Dobra--
---------------------Drinan--------------------
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| 433 Line Ups on 22:00 - Aug 20 with 2929 views | N2_Blue |
The state of the back 4 in your 2nd line up. I think that wouldn't keep clean sheets in National league! |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 22:07 - Aug 20 with 2911 views | BlueBadger |
| 433 Line Ups on 21:12 - Aug 20 by xrayspecs |
Agree with a lot of this. A few different views:
Not convinced about Norwood - how many sitters missed last season? He jumped two divisions last season, so hopefully is closer to what we need this season once fit.
Donacien - Nsiala- Wilson-Kenlock. Gulp. Lets hope none of the first team defence get injured...
I suspect that Judge, El Miz and Lankester will challenge for a place in the first 11.
No idea yet on Hawkins.
Would like to see Dozzell, Dobra, Drinnan challenge. |
Point of order: Norwood jumped from a promoted-to-league-one Tranmere to relegated-to-league-one ITFC. Whilst granted, he'd never played above League Two until this season, to say he'd jumped TWO divisions in joining us is incorrect. |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 22:17 - Aug 20 with 2900 views | ITFC_Forever |
| 433 Line Ups on 21:56 - Aug 20 by PJH |
I think you need to add the words 'to miss' to your last sentence.
He did not have a bad season but he did miss a hell of a lot of chances with a lot of them being the sort that a good striker should bury more often than he did.
If fully fit he might do better but it seems to me that he needs to take a higher percentage of his chances. |
Perhaps.
But if he was that clinical, he’d probably be in another division higher..... |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 22:34 - Aug 20 with 2878 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
No one has mentioned T Simpson- he was big and awkward to play against! |  | | |
| 433 Line Ups on 23:56 - Aug 20 with 2836 views | pointofblue |
| 433 Line Ups on 16:58 - Aug 20 by Dennyx4 |
A few thoughts / worries for me.
1) If Jackson is going to play wide in a three, we need to play him there, so that he can get used to the role and be comfortable in it. I can't remember him doing that role last season at all(maybe an odd 45 minutes).
2) I am not convinced this system suits Downes. I like Downes a lot, but sitting in front of the back four does not necessarily play to his strengths. He has a terrific engine, gets up and down, closes players down and can be a real nuisance. I know he can do the tackling part of the role, but believe we lose some of what he can bring, by playing him there.
3) Can Hawkins lead the line - just posing the question, as I haven't seen him play - hopefully he is the answer. Norwood for me similar to Jackson, looks like he needs somebody to work with up front with.
Agree we should try to play with 3 central midfielders, as we have so many options. |
1) I agree, he has potential to play out wide but needs time to get used to the position. He certainly isn’t a number ten IMO
2) Have to wonder if Skuse still has a part to play alongside Downes and one of Bishop/Huws/Dozzell, playing the part of sitting on front of the defence
3) Hawkins can hold up play and bring other players into it - that was a plus point of his time at Portsmouth
Just to add, in relation to Donacien - Kenlock - Nsiala - Wilson: for all their faults we won’t be able to sign a better back four simply to be reserves. Of course there is an argument we should be looking to use Chambers more sparingly now but the same can’t be said for either KVY or Woolfenden whilst I assume Ward will be first choice left back. |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 00:50 - Aug 21 with 2827 views | jayessess |
I look at these are feel like we've utterly messed our planning up somewhere. 13 first team midfielders, plus 2 strikers who can play wide and one enforced defensive change brings us to Donacien, Nsiala and Wilson? |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 08:29 - Aug 21 with 2756 views | Herbivore |
| 433 Line Ups on 00:50 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
I look at these are feel like we've utterly messed our planning up somewhere. 13 first team midfielders, plus 2 strikers who can play wide and one enforced defensive change brings us to Donacien, Nsiala and Wilson? |
Donacien, Nsiala and Wilson are all fine as back up at this level. They'd start for a fair number of clubs at this level. We're a League 1side, we aren't going to have loads top end League 1 players just sat in our reserves playing a few games a season. Part of our glut of CMs is down to where our more talented academy products in recent years play rather than being about planning. |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 08:45 - Aug 21 with 2732 views | PJH |
| 433 Line Ups on 22:17 - Aug 20 by ITFC_Forever |
Perhaps.
But if he was that clinical, he’d probably be in another division higher..... |
Yes very true because if he DID take a higher percentage of chances he would probably be scoring goals in The Championship.
It is just so frustrating that particularly with one on one's it became a surprise if he scored. |  | | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 08:45 - Aug 21 with 2730 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 433 Line Ups on 20:30 - Aug 20 by ParisBlue |
Hope not, but if we do we may be OK. With the compressed schedule the teams with larger squads should see the benefit. We saw this as in the PL when that restarted.
Let's just try and win every game. |
I can't see beyond it with the sheer volume of games to be played. As you allude to, we should be better placed than virtually all in this division to deal with it. | | | |
| 433 Line Ups on 08:50 - Aug 21 with 2725 views | Pinewoodblue |
The only concern I have is the original posts highlights the amazing number of options Lambert has at his disposal and we all know Lambert will switch and change formation. Not sure I can see him firming up on a settled match day squad, never mind a best starting eleven.
Hasn’t he already said he will try anything? |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 12:55 - Aug 21 with 2675 views | BlueBadger |
| 433 Line Ups on 08:50 - Aug 21 by Pinewoodblue |
The only concern I have is the original posts highlights the amazing number of options Lambert has at his disposal and we all know Lambert will switch and change formation. Not sure I can see him firming up on a settled match day squad, never mind a best starting eleven.
Hasn’t he already said he will try anything? |
Nah, he's not going to try resigning in order to improve our fortunes. | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 13:02 - Aug 21 with 2662 views | BlueBlood90 |
It's the defence that concerns me. Expecting a 35 year old left back to play Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday is a big ask and there's been huge question marks over Chambo for several years now. Other than that I think we're in decent shape and should be pushing automatic promotion. |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 14:19 - Aug 21 with 2624 views | jayessess |
| 433 Line Ups on 08:29 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
Donacien, Nsiala and Wilson are all fine as back up at this level. They'd start for a fair number of clubs at this level. We're a League 1side, we aren't going to have loads top end League 1 players just sat in our reserves playing a few games a season. Part of our glut of CMs is down to where our more talented academy products in recent years play rather than being about planning. |
Wilson made 21 starts last season, Donacien 12, we also had Skuse and Edwards start at right back.
Our glut of centre midfielders could probably have been solved by offloading some of them? | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 14:25 - Aug 21 with 2618 views | BrixtonBlue |
| 433 Line Ups on 21:56 - Aug 20 by PJH |
I think you need to add the words 'to miss' to your last sentence.
He did not have a bad season but he did miss a hell of a lot of chances with a lot of them being the sort that a good striker should bury more often than he did.
If fully fit he might do better but it seems to me that he needs to take a higher percentage of his chances. |
I think the misses are overstated. He did miss a few glaring ones, but it wasn't "a hell of a lot." |  |
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| 433 Line Ups on 14:39 - Aug 21 with 2594 views | Half_Idiot |
| 433 Line Ups on 16:21 - Aug 20 by Bluefish |
back 4s don't look great but neither were the back 4s of Coventry or Rotherham, it is about doing a job and our midgield and forwards should destroy this league |
The back 4 for the first team is solid for this level. Starting the second back 4 as a whole would terrify me but as supplements the first choice back 4 I have no issue. |  | | |
| 433 Line Ups on 14:49 - Aug 21 with 2582 views | Herbivore |
| 433 Line Ups on 14:19 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
Wilson made 21 starts last season, Donacien 12, we also had Skuse and Edwards start at right back.
Our glut of centre midfielders could probably have been solved by offloading some of them? |
Our back up right back played 12 times because our main right back missed well over half the season. It happens, it'd be unlucky for it to happen again. Wilson played so often because we kept dicking around with three at the back. Both of them, as was my point, were fine as cover. Our defence was solidly top 6 in terms of goals conceded. They weren't the problem.
Who in the midfield would you ship out and if you don't want them, who do you think would willingly take them off our hands? | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 14:50 - Aug 21 with 2580 views | Herbivore |
| 433 Line Ups on 14:25 - Aug 21 by BrixtonBlue |
I think the misses are overstated. He did miss a few glaring ones, but it wasn't "a hell of a lot." |
It really was. He missed a load of good chances, especially in the early part of the season. | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 14:59 - Aug 21 with 2565 views | PJH |
| 433 Line Ups on 14:25 - Aug 21 by BrixtonBlue |
I think the misses are overstated. He did miss a few glaring ones, but it wasn't "a hell of a lot." |
He missed five at Bolton,although we scored one from a rebound off the keeper.
If those five were the only ones that he missed then maybe it was not a hell of a lot over the truncated season but as they were not the only five he did miss a hell of a lot-certainly well into double figures so he probably missed more than he scored. | | | |
| 433 Line Ups on 15:09 - Aug 21 with 2550 views | BrixtonBlue |
| 433 Line Ups on 14:59 - Aug 21 by PJH |
He missed five at Bolton,although we scored one from a rebound off the keeper.
If those five were the only ones that he missed then maybe it was not a hell of a lot over the truncated season but as they were not the only five he did miss a hell of a lot-certainly well into double figures so he probably missed more than he scored. |
I was talking about the glaring one-on-one misses, which is what I thought you were referring to. Every striker misses several chances. | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 15:13 - Aug 21 with 2547 views | BrixtonBlue |
| 433 Line Ups on 14:50 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
It really was. He missed a load of good chances, especially in the early part of the season. |
He scored 11, whilst carrying an injury, in a truncated season. People were always moaning we didn't create enough chances, so I'm not sure where this "load of good chances" comes from. He missed a few high profile sitters but those aside I don't think he was too bad, all things considered. [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 15:14]
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| 433 Line Ups on 15:16 - Aug 21 with 2538 views | Herbivore |
| 433 Line Ups on 15:13 - Aug 21 by BrixtonBlue |
He scored 11, whilst carrying an injury, in a truncated season. People were always moaning we didn't create enough chances, so I'm not sure where this "load of good chances" comes from. He missed a few high profile sitters but those aside I don't think he was too bad, all things considered. [Post edited 21 Aug 2020 15:14]
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For me his finishing was poor overall, but you also have to give him credit for getting into a position where he was getting chances. I don't especially rate him overall to be honest but I'm hoping he has a better season this time around. | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 15:24 - Aug 21 with 2528 views | jayessess |
| 433 Line Ups on 14:49 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
Our back up right back played 12 times because our main right back missed well over half the season. It happens, it'd be unlucky for it to happen again. Wilson played so often because we kept dicking around with three at the back. Both of them, as was my point, were fine as cover. Our defence was solidly top 6 in terms of goals conceded. They weren't the problem.
Who in the midfield would you ship out and if you don't want them, who do you think would willingly take them off our hands? |
Having one first team player miss a significant part of the season is a perfectly common occurrence. It would be more surprising to have our entire first choice XI go the entire season without one lengthy absence. The defence were defensively alright much of the time, but looked an absolute shambles at times (Lincoln away, Bristol Rovers, Peterborough, Doncaster x 2).
But the balance is the thing here, it's not that there's any particular player that we need to get rid of in midfield or that Summer 2020 is a great moment to reduce headcount. It's that over the longer term we don't seem to have made judgements about what we need in midfield. We've just accumulated players there. | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 15:24 - Aug 21 with 2527 views | PJH |
| 433 Line Ups on 15:16 - Aug 21 by Herbivore |
For me his finishing was poor overall, but you also have to give him credit for getting into a position where he was getting chances. I don't especially rate him overall to be honest but I'm hoping he has a better season this time around. |
When it looked certain that we would be signing him I particularly watched him in the play off semi finals and final at the end of 2018/19 and I counted 13 possible chances in those three games and he scored 1 goal.
Some of them were difficult or even very difficult chances but chances nevertheless so I think whatever way you look at it he misses a lot of chances but as you say the fact that he is in position for it to be a chance is a plus. | | | |
| 433 Line Ups on 15:29 - Aug 21 with 2520 views | jayessess |
| 433 Line Ups on 15:24 - Aug 21 by PJH |
When it looked certain that we would be signing him I particularly watched him in the play off semi finals and final at the end of 2018/19 and I counted 13 possible chances in those three games and he scored 1 goal.
Some of them were difficult or even very difficult chances but chances nevertheless so I think whatever way you look at it he misses a lot of chances but as you say the fact that he is in position for it to be a chance is a plus. |
Supporters routinely over-estimate how efficient strikers are at scoring though, I think? | |
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| 433 Line Ups on 15:30 - Aug 21 with 2519 views | ITFC_Forever |
| 433 Line Ups on 15:24 - Aug 21 by jayessess |
Having one first team player miss a significant part of the season is a perfectly common occurrence. It would be more surprising to have our entire first choice XI go the entire season without one lengthy absence. The defence were defensively alright much of the time, but looked an absolute shambles at times (Lincoln away, Bristol Rovers, Peterborough, Doncaster x 2).
But the balance is the thing here, it's not that there's any particular player that we need to get rid of in midfield or that Summer 2020 is a great moment to reduce headcount. It's that over the longer term we don't seem to have made judgements about what we need in midfield. We've just accumulated players there. |
Doncaster x2?
We drew 0-0 in the only game we played against them.... | |
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