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Wuhan Flu 19:35 - Oct 4 with 5515 viewsEsteemed_Canon

So yet another weekend has passed with pubs closing farcically early and more issues being caused by people just drinking loads in a short period of time.

I think enough is enough, we need to stop being defensive over this. Open up stadiums and venues and let us get on with life.

Also I see many people not wearing masks and they seem to be ok so why not make the wearing of PPE optional, give people a choice?
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Wuhan Flu on 20:39 - Oct 4 with 467 viewseireblue

Wuhan Flu on 20:32 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

I agree they are a joke


Would love to see your critique of the published science.
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Wuhan Flu on 20:40 - Oct 4 with 461 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 20:38 - Oct 4 by StokieBlue

How much is it worth?

Tell us?

75000 dead, 100000 dead?

You must have a feeling of what you feel is an acceptable price to post in this fashion.

SB


You can’t put a price on freedom

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Wuhan Flu on 20:42 - Oct 4 with 462 viewsNewcyBlue

Wuhan Flu on 20:40 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

You can’t put a price on freedom


Are you being locked in your home?

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Wuhan Flu on 20:42 - Oct 4 with 462 viewsKeno

Wuhan Flu on 20:36 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

Depends I suppose bit it’s not just for me watching football. It’s a wider debate about how much the liberty of 99% of people is worth


If you are so keen on defending liberty then I am sure you will want to say thank you to the most vulnerable generation today by doing everything you can to protect them

Just bear in mind many of that generation didn’t just have a few months of inconvenience by not be able to watch footie, go to the pub or wearing a face masks

For many it was 6 years, for many it was their whole life

Perhaps when covid death reach the levels of that generation you can come the internet like a brave little soldier and start bleating about how hard done by you are
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Wuhan Flu on 20:44 - Oct 4 with 443 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 20:42 - Oct 4 by NewcyBlue

Are you being locked in your home?


Not at the moment ...

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Wuhan Flu on 20:44 - Oct 4 with 449 viewsKeno

Wuhan Flu on 20:40 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

You can’t put a price on freedom


No you can’t but why is your “freedom” worth more than someone else life?

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Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 with 448 viewsEsteemed_Canon

Wuhan Flu on 20:42 - Oct 4 by Keno

If you are so keen on defending liberty then I am sure you will want to say thank you to the most vulnerable generation today by doing everything you can to protect them

Just bear in mind many of that generation didn’t just have a few months of inconvenience by not be able to watch footie, go to the pub or wearing a face masks

For many it was 6 years, for many it was their whole life

Perhaps when covid death reach the levels of that generation you can come the internet like a brave little soldier and start bleating about how hard done by you are
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Just think poor old Paz is trying to make some perfectly valid and factually correct comments and the regime use it as excuse to have a go at him.

Anyhow the pubs shut in around an hour am now going down the local to sink four pints before being asked to leave.

Am sure drinking beer will be frowned upon as well
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Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 with 436 viewsBluesquid

Wuhan Flu on 20:31 - Oct 4 by StokieBlue

How much is a life worth?

Put a number on it since you're citing economic costs.

Social costs are relevant but is you watching football worth someone else possibly dying?

SB


But what are the chances of death though?

From the CDC -

Worse case scenarios

0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028

0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054
70+ years: 0.054

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
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Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 with 436 viewsNewcyBlue

Wuhan Flu on 20:44 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

Not at the moment ...


Have you ever been locked in your home?

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Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 with 436 viewsStokieBlue

Wuhan Flu on 20:40 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

You can’t put a price on freedom


So any number of deaths is acceptable as long as you and others have "freedom".

Possibly one of the worst statements I've seen on the boards in a long time.

SB
[Post edited 4 Oct 2020 20:46]

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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Wuhan Flu on 20:46 - Oct 4 with 433 viewsKeno

Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 by Esteemed_Canon

Just think poor old Paz is trying to make some perfectly valid and factually correct comments and the regime use it as excuse to have a go at him.

Anyhow the pubs shut in around an hour am now going down the local to sink four pints before being asked to leave.

Am sure drinking beer will be frowned upon as well


Actually no he isn’t

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Wuhan Flu on 20:46 - Oct 4 with 423 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 by Bluesquid

But what are the chances of death though?

From the CDC -

Worse case scenarios

0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028

0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054
70+ years: 0.054

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html


Exactly, you can’t eliminate all risk from life entirely

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Wuhan Flu on 20:48 - Oct 4 with 412 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 by NewcyBlue

Have you ever been locked in your home?


We all were at one point. Remember when we were only allowed out to get food or for an hour’s exercise a day?

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Wuhan Flu on 20:52 - Oct 4 with 401 viewsEsteemed_Canon

Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 by NewcyBlue

Have you ever been locked in your home?


Has the padded cell in your asylum ever been unlocked?
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Wuhan Flu on 20:57 - Oct 4 with 387 viewsjeera

Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 by Bluesquid

But what are the chances of death though?

From the CDC -

Worse case scenarios

0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028

0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054
70+ years: 0.054

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html


Anything in there about long-term effects?

Too soon to know how many of those will be life-changing and possible life shortening.

Infection rates are being controlled by measures being taken, that's not arguable.

If people want to look for the best possible outcome, that's fine. What they don't have the right to do is to put other people at risk who don't wish to be fecked over by someone else's ignorance.

Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck. Nope, dunno what it is.
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Wuhan Flu on 20:57 - Oct 4 with 385 viewsNewcyBlue

Wuhan Flu on 20:48 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

We all were at one point. Remember when we were only allowed out to get food or for an hour’s exercise a day?


So you weren’t locked in your home.

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Wuhan Flu on 20:59 - Oct 4 with 375 viewsPendejo

Keep saying it hazmat suits all round...

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Wuhan Flu on 20:59 - Oct 4 with 373 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 20:57 - Oct 4 by NewcyBlue

So you weren’t locked in your home.


Obviously not physically. I don’t get the point you are trying to make. I must have missed something, apologies

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Wuhan Flu on 21:01 - Oct 4 with 370 viewsNewcyBlue

Wuhan Flu on 20:59 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

Obviously not physically. I don’t get the point you are trying to make. I must have missed something, apologies


Your freedom has never been compromised.

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Wuhan Flu on 21:05 - Oct 4 with 359 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 21:01 - Oct 4 by NewcyBlue

Your freedom has never been compromised.


Well that’s a ridiculous statement because it quite evidently has. Whether you think restrictions are proportionate or not is a debate, the government telling you how many people you can socialise with is a restriction placed upon individual freedoms, that’s just a fact.

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Wuhan Flu on 21:06 - Oct 4 with 357 viewsNewcyBlue

Wuhan Flu on 21:05 - Oct 4 by 26_Paz

Well that’s a ridiculous statement because it quite evidently has. Whether you think restrictions are proportionate or not is a debate, the government telling you how many people you can socialise with is a restriction placed upon individual freedoms, that’s just a fact.




Are you sure that your freedom has been compromised?!

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Wuhan Flu on 21:07 - Oct 4 with 347 viewsBluesquid

Wuhan Flu on 20:57 - Oct 4 by jeera

Anything in there about long-term effects?

Too soon to know how many of those will be life-changing and possible life shortening.

Infection rates are being controlled by measures being taken, that's not arguable.

If people want to look for the best possible outcome, that's fine. What they don't have the right to do is to put other people at risk who don't wish to be fecked over by someone else's ignorance.


Nothing there regarding long term effects but what about the long term effects of lock down?

Got to get the balance right and it has been highlighted time and time again about the effect lockdown has had and is having on the general population - from people unable to get the urgent health care that they require to the mental health of millions of people, with reports of suicide at extremely high levels.
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Wuhan Flu on 21:08 - Oct 4 with 342 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 21:06 - Oct 4 by NewcyBlue



Are you sure that your freedom has been compromised?!


Yes and I’m have absolutely no idea what relevance that video has to the question of whether being told who you can and can’t socialise with is an infringement on liberty or not.

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Wuhan Flu on 21:11 - Oct 4 with 336 viewsElderGrizzly

It was all Obama of course...

This woman once ran for Office too

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Wuhan Flu on 21:12 - Oct 4 with 328 viewsStokieBlue

Wuhan Flu on 20:45 - Oct 4 by Bluesquid

But what are the chances of death though?

From the CDC -

Worse case scenarios

0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028

0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093

0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054
70+ years: 0.054

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html


The chance of death are individual, those numbers are for the general case and don't take into account post-C19 effects of people who have had it (which seem like they could be serious).

Table 1. Parameter Values that vary among the five COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios. The scenarios are intended to advance public health preparedness and planning. They are not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19. The parameter values in each scenario will be updated and augmented over time, as we learn more about the epidemiology of COVID-19. Additional parameter values might be added in the future (e.g., population density, household transmission, and/or race and ethnicity).

So quite a lot of caveats in there you failed to mention. C19 isn't going to kill everyone, it might not kill more than 1% of people infected but that still a lot of people if you let it run free given it's high infectious.

I doubt your table is of any comfort to those who have already lost people or anyone who is lost going forward. If you view is that some have to die so everyone else can go about their business then that is one way of looking at it, it's just not one everyone shares with you.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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