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Wuhan Flu 19:35 - Oct 4 with 5516 viewsEsteemed_Canon

So yet another weekend has passed with pubs closing farcically early and more issues being caused by people just drinking loads in a short period of time.

I think enough is enough, we need to stop being defensive over this. Open up stadiums and venues and let us get on with life.

Also I see many people not wearing masks and they seem to be ok so why not make the wearing of PPE optional, give people a choice?
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Wuhan Flu on 10:32 - Oct 5 with 545 viewsStokieBlue

Wuhan Flu on 10:23 - Oct 5 by 26_Paz

I would say the chances of you being asymptomatic and passing it on would be low enough to accept as a trade off against the alternative of her not seeing anyone for the remainder of her days and her the consequent rapid deterioration of her mental condition


OK.

So you've laid out your position.

Now scale that up for 65,000,000 people doing the same all without restrictions and an totally open country like you want.

In that amount of people there will be asymptomatic cases and they will infect the vulnerable. Do you start to see why people have an issue with your position? You base it all around your individual context and totally disregard scale.

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Wuhan Flu on 10:45 - Oct 5 with 520 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 10:28 - Oct 5 by Keno

The more I go out to things like the pub, footie matches etc etc the more the chances are I would contract the virus.

Thats how risk works

There are ways you can try to help with the mental health aspects and I am genuinely really surprised that you would be so cavalier with your grandmas health


Her quality of life at the moment is zero. She has no visitors and doesn’t understand why. Mental health is important as well as physical health

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Wuhan Flu on 10:49 - Oct 5 with 512 viewsKeno

Wuhan Flu on 10:45 - Oct 5 by 26_Paz

Her quality of life at the moment is zero. She has no visitors and doesn’t understand why. Mental health is important as well as physical health


like I say you can do things to help with mental health

(and yes I know what I am talking about here as I have a relative in a similar situation)

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Wuhan Flu on 11:17 - Oct 5 with 478 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 10:49 - Oct 5 by Keno

like I say you can do things to help with mental health

(and yes I know what I am talking about here as I have a relative in a similar situation)


Well yeah, they set up zoom calls and stuff but it’s not the same. She just keeps asking when we’re coming to visit over and over

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Wuhan Flu on 11:25 - Oct 5 with 458 viewsKeno

Wuhan Flu on 11:17 - Oct 5 by 26_Paz

Well yeah, they set up zoom calls and stuff but it’s not the same. She just keeps asking when we’re coming to visit over and over


and so does my mum, who is 97 but still with us as are the other 50 residents of the home she is.

It doesn't matter how much I may want to go and see her I wouldn't for her sake, the sake of the other residents, the staff and their families.

No it isnt easy, non of it, but the restrictions are there for a reason and with infection rates at the levels they are I can see no good reason for that changing in the very near future

But I by doing my part I keep my mum, my partner, my children, my grandchildren, my friends and my wider community safe then that hardship is worth enduring.

I hope you can see that, and I am sorry if you dont

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Wuhan Flu on 11:47 - Oct 5 with 430 viewsJ2BLUE

Wuhan Flu on 06:05 - Oct 5 by 26_Paz

Wow, this is a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Of course, it can be argued that the restrictions are justified. A poster earlier tried to argue that as people weren’t physically locked in their houses their freedom had not been compromised. It was this point that I was explaining was blatantly ridiculous.


You always react like people should take your posts in isolation and onl reply to what you've said in that post. It's a nice tactic but why should we ignore the context you're so keen on? You can't say one thing in one post and then expect people to forget it and only reply to what you've just said.

You don't post anything that incriminating in an single post but each post is like a piece of a jigsaw which has now created a very clear picture. That's why people react to you the way they do. It doesn't fool anyone.

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Wuhan Flu on 12:09 - Oct 5 with 407 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 11:47 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE

You always react like people should take your posts in isolation and onl reply to what you've said in that post. It's a nice tactic but why should we ignore the context you're so keen on? You can't say one thing in one post and then expect people to forget it and only reply to what you've just said.

You don't post anything that incriminating in an single post but each post is like a piece of a jigsaw which has now created a very clear picture. That's why people react to you the way they do. It doesn't fool anyone.


What exactly have I incriminated myself of?

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Wuhan Flu on 12:42 - Oct 5 with 376 viewsSpruceMoose

Wuhan Flu on 10:21 - Oct 5 by 26_Paz

This is just weird now. She’s nearly 90 and has dementia. I haven’t seen her since March. My personal view is that preventing her from having visitors (obviously PPE and in the garden or something) is cruel and counter productive.


I guess people placed more importance on the pub crawl or the Greek holiday than they did being mature, staying at home, minimising risk, getting on top of the virus and seeing grandma sooner.

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Wuhan Flu on 13:03 - Oct 5 with 339 viewsStochesStotasBlewe

Wuhan Flu on 12:42 - Oct 5 by SpruceMoose

I guess people placed more importance on the pub crawl or the Greek holiday than they did being mature, staying at home, minimising risk, getting on top of the virus and seeing grandma sooner.

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Paz’s last point about visiting is spot on.
I work on a freelance basis at a care home a couple of days a month. They had set up a visiting system under pergolas on a set time basis in the gardens, all PPE and strict social distancing measures in place. Has been an absolute godsend for residents and family alike. Now with autumn and the weather taking a turn for the worse, that contact will probably be denied again.

As an aside, other posters have expressed their enjoyment of going to the pub, trips abroad etc, but I don’t recall them getting any of the flak aimed at Paz.

I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of stuff he posts on here, but play the posts, not the poster.

We have no village green, or a shop. It's very, very quiet. I can walk to the pub.

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Wuhan Flu on 13:15 - Oct 5 with 319 views26_Paz

Wuhan Flu on 13:03 - Oct 5 by StochesStotasBlewe

Paz’s last point about visiting is spot on.
I work on a freelance basis at a care home a couple of days a month. They had set up a visiting system under pergolas on a set time basis in the gardens, all PPE and strict social distancing measures in place. Has been an absolute godsend for residents and family alike. Now with autumn and the weather taking a turn for the worse, that contact will probably be denied again.

As an aside, other posters have expressed their enjoyment of going to the pub, trips abroad etc, but I don’t recall them getting any of the flak aimed at Paz.

I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of stuff he posts on here, but play the posts, not the poster.


Thanks mate. Appreciated.

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Wuhan Flu on 13:17 - Oct 5 with 317 viewsSpruceMoose

Wuhan Flu on 13:03 - Oct 5 by StochesStotasBlewe

Paz’s last point about visiting is spot on.
I work on a freelance basis at a care home a couple of days a month. They had set up a visiting system under pergolas on a set time basis in the gardens, all PPE and strict social distancing measures in place. Has been an absolute godsend for residents and family alike. Now with autumn and the weather taking a turn for the worse, that contact will probably be denied again.

As an aside, other posters have expressed their enjoyment of going to the pub, trips abroad etc, but I don’t recall them getting any of the flak aimed at Paz.

I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of stuff he posts on here, but play the posts, not the poster.


My view on the matter is the same whoever is doing it.

If you went on a pub crawl, or on foreign holiday the second it was remotely viable, it's a bit rich to now complain that you can't see Grandma because of the current situation. The people who acted in that manner made a choice, just like I made a choice not to return home to see relatives the second that I could, and all those choices added up and contributed to the current situation.

You're not stuck in traffic. You are the traffic. It's clear that there's a relationship between the current situation and the behaviour of many selfish people.

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Wuhan Flu on 17:11 - Oct 5 with 240 viewsSpruceMoose

Oh no.


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