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This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:45 - Jan 27 by m14_blue
Check out the Twitter feed of pretty much any leave eu types and you’ll see the celebratory tone.
Of course, you’ll pretend you can’t see the context and demand an exact quote but that would just make you either incredibly thick or incredibly disingenuous, take your pick.
That'll be the headbangers though wouldn't it.
You should see the replies on social media from those on the far right in reply to Kier Starmer commemorating Holocaust Memorial Day. They are no more presentative of the majorly of left leaning people than the ones you are describing are of the majority of those who voted Brexit.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:48 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue
That'll be the headbangers though wouldn't it.
You should see the replies on social media from those on the far right in reply to Kier Starmer commemorating Holocaust Memorial Day. They are no more presentative of the majorly of left leaning people than the ones you are describing are of the majority of those who voted Brexit.
Of course.
Nowhere did I suggest it was representative of those who voted Brexit.
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This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:53 - Jan 27 with 1164 views
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:50 - Jan 27 by m14_blue
Of course.
Nowhere did I suggest it was representative of those who voted Brexit.
Which brings me back to the point made on the other thread. C@nts on all sides. Good people on all sides.
Hopefully cool heads will prevail and there will be a compromise. Although if I recall rightly, the last time I suggested both sides should compromise during the final days of our negotiations, I got dogs abuse.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:45 - Jan 27 by m14_blue
Check out the Twitter feed of pretty much any leave eu types and you’ll see the celebratory tone.
Of course, you’ll pretend you can’t see the context and demand an exact quote but that would just make you either incredibly thick or incredibly disingenuous, take your pick.
Said it the other week and I'll say it again. Hardline Brexiters wan't EU to fail and hardline remainers want UK to fail.
They are both the same type of people as far as I am concerned. If the current vaccine situation was reversed some people would be bashing their keyboards with such vigour that their keyboards would be trashed and covered in blood and severed fingernails.
I seem to recall very recently some people giving it large about how UK was doomed because they didn't sign up to some Star Trek type of EU vaccine procurement.
I won't bother trawling back as I can't be arsed and don't really care.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:04 - Jan 27 by Lord_Lucan
Said it the other week and I'll say it again. Hardline Brexiters wan't EU to fail and hardline remainers want UK to fail.
They are both the same type of people as far as I am concerned. If the current vaccine situation was reversed some people would be bashing their keyboards with such vigour that their keyboards would be trashed and covered in blood and severed fingernails.
I seem to recall very recently some people giving it large about how UK was doomed because they didn't sign up to some Star Trek type of EU vaccine procurement.
I won't bother trawling back as I can't be arsed and don't really care.
There are good and bad people in all political parties. Most of them want what they believe is best for the country. They just differ on how to achieve that.
The talk last week by Clinton, Bush and Obama is a good example of that. Disagreement on policy but respect for each other's commitment to the job and no character assassination because of their political disagreements.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:04 - Jan 27 by Lord_Lucan
Said it the other week and I'll say it again. Hardline Brexiters wan't EU to fail and hardline remainers want UK to fail.
They are both the same type of people as far as I am concerned. If the current vaccine situation was reversed some people would be bashing their keyboards with such vigour that their keyboards would be trashed and covered in blood and severed fingernails.
I seem to recall very recently some people giving it large about how UK was doomed because they didn't sign up to some Star Trek type of EU vaccine procurement.
I won't bother trawling back as I can't be arsed and don't really care.
Agree. You only need to take a quick glance at Twitter to see how entrenched some hardcore remainers are. Complete refusal to criticise the EU in any way.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:06 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE
Agree. You only need to take a quick glance at Twitter to see how entrenched some hardcore remainers are. Complete refusal to criticise the EU in any way.
Lord Adonis is like the remain version of Farage. Except Adonis is extremely intelligent.
But hard line remain and reminds me of the last Japanese soldier on a remote island who is still fighting WWII 20 years after it had finished. Or Fishers fighting to bring back Mic Mac.
There are good and bad people in all political parties. Most of them want what they believe is best for the country. They just differ on how to achieve that.
The talk last week by Clinton, Bush and Obama is a good example of that. Disagreement on policy but respect for each other's commitment to the job and no character assassination because of their political disagreements.
Ah yes, I didn't see it - although to be honest it took their alarm at a megalomaniac to come together and if you want to look at it seriously you have Clinton, who arguably came close to JFK with allegedly allegedly allegedly competing in sex pest (and worse) stakes, Bush, who went to a war under false pretences (aided by The British Government) in order to fulfil his Dads wish and Obama who absolutely smashed the world record of drone strikes.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:18 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE
I'm not celebrating. UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives (or any other human lives) but I have to say it has taken the edge off my disappointment at voting the wrong way.
We're not seeing the EU using their power in a positive way. We're seeing outright threats and bullying out of a sense of entitlement.
So yes, i'm slightly less disappointed in myself.
"UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives..."
If you accept this (and I do) then surely we should be collaborating with our European neighbours (and indeed other countries) to ensure that say vulnerable Dutch 80 years olds are vaccinated before less vulnerable 30 something Brits.
This was the basis of a WHO guy speech a couple of weeks ago. Never really got much of a discussion. And it's not going to happen of course because the current UK mood locally is predominantly one of fear. Throw in the Brexit factor and it's each man for themselves.
Would take a brave leader to say we are not going to immunise our 30 somethings because we want to help foreign 80 year olds. And I don't see that level of ethical thinking / humanity anywhere near our leadership and or in the average Joe's thinking.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:20 - Jan 27 by bluelagos
"UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives..."
If you accept this (and I do) then surely we should be collaborating with our European neighbours (and indeed other countries) to ensure that say vulnerable Dutch 80 years olds are vaccinated before less vulnerable 30 something Brits.
This was the basis of a WHO guy speech a couple of weeks ago. Never really got much of a discussion. And it's not going to happen of course because the current UK mood locally is predominantly one of fear. Throw in the Brexit factor and it's each man for themselves.
Would take a brave leader to say we are not going to immunise our 30 somethings because we want to help foreign 80 year olds. And I don't see that level of ethical thinking / humanity anywhere near our leadership and or in the average Joe's thinking.
Yes, I put something in a post yesterday about while it spreads elsewhere we risk a mutant which puts us all at risk. I nearly went down the same path you did.
It would be something to consider in an ideal world but I don't think it's politically viable right now. Would be career suicide for Bojo and he won't do anything not in his own self interest.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:04 - Jan 27 by Lord_Lucan
Said it the other week and I'll say it again. Hardline Brexiters wan't EU to fail and hardline remainers want UK to fail.
They are both the same type of people as far as I am concerned. If the current vaccine situation was reversed some people would be bashing their keyboards with such vigour that their keyboards would be trashed and covered in blood and severed fingernails.
I seem to recall very recently some people giving it large about how UK was doomed because they didn't sign up to some Star Trek type of EU vaccine procurement.
I won't bother trawling back as I can't be arsed and don't really care.
You are right. There was joy when the french blocked the border that this was a sign of things to come. Shortages. Bring them on. Proof of brexiteer stupidity. Many people want this country to fail, to prove how awful it is, it’s history and it’s present and will never criticise the EU. To them the EU is the pinnacle of all that’s good. Standards, behaviours, democracy, you name it. Something to strive for.
On the other side is the insufferable Farage style narrow minded fools who seem rooted in a glorious past that never existed. They dream of empire and the glories of the Victorian period, if they know when that was. Empire? My mother was born into the Yarmouth Rows. The pictures on the web tell you there wasn’t much glory there. These are the sort of people that laugh at other people’s / countries failure and see it as a reflection of their being right.
All of the above are wrong in every way. Both choose their ‘evidence’ carefully and make plenty of noise. They depress me.
Rant over.
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This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:26 - Jan 27 with 1078 views
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:20 - Jan 27 by bluelagos
"UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives..."
If you accept this (and I do) then surely we should be collaborating with our European neighbours (and indeed other countries) to ensure that say vulnerable Dutch 80 years olds are vaccinated before less vulnerable 30 something Brits.
This was the basis of a WHO guy speech a couple of weeks ago. Never really got much of a discussion. And it's not going to happen of course because the current UK mood locally is predominantly one of fear. Throw in the Brexit factor and it's each man for themselves.
Would take a brave leader to say we are not going to immunise our 30 somethings because we want to help foreign 80 year olds. And I don't see that level of ethical thinking / humanity anywhere near our leadership and or in the average Joe's thinking.
Sharing ours is an interesting moral dilemma. Not sure it's straight forward though as on the whole we're in the deepest hole in Europe, in terms of infections adn deaths so our need is greater.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:18 - Jan 27 by Lord_Lucan
Ah yes, I didn't see it - although to be honest it took their alarm at a megalomaniac to come together and if you want to look at it seriously you have Clinton, who arguably came close to JFK with allegedly allegedly allegedly competing in sex pest (and worse) stakes, Bush, who went to a war under false pretences (aided by The British Government) in order to fulfil his Dads wish and Obama who absolutely smashed the world record of drone strikes.
So the perv, the war monger and the Death Star operator.
I recall everyone coming out for John McCain's funeral. And the concession speech from McCain lost to Obama.
or McCain's defence of Obama during the election
People with different politics respecting each other. That's what I want, whereas others on here seems to want division.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:20 - Jan 27 by bluelagos
"UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives..."
If you accept this (and I do) then surely we should be collaborating with our European neighbours (and indeed other countries) to ensure that say vulnerable Dutch 80 years olds are vaccinated before less vulnerable 30 something Brits.
This was the basis of a WHO guy speech a couple of weeks ago. Never really got much of a discussion. And it's not going to happen of course because the current UK mood locally is predominantly one of fear. Throw in the Brexit factor and it's each man for themselves.
Would take a brave leader to say we are not going to immunise our 30 somethings because we want to help foreign 80 year olds. And I don't see that level of ethical thinking / humanity anywhere near our leadership and or in the average Joe's thinking.
I wouldn't disagree with that premise but we are a long way from vaccinating our thirty year olds.
This is coming to a head long before that will happen.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:23 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE
Yes, I put something in a post yesterday about while it spreads elsewhere we risk a mutant which puts us all at risk. I nearly went down the same path you did.
It would be something to consider in an ideal world but I don't think it's politically viable right now. Would be career suicide for Bojo and he won't do anything not in his own self interest.
Indeed.
The idea that BJ has the moral compass to propose something that would be hugely unpopular but would undoubtedly save many lives (albeit foreign ones) at the expense of his career / our economy is very much "ideal world" thinking.
But that's where my head is at. Naive in the extreme and as disillusioned as ever with the petty nationalism that permeates our political thinking / public opinion.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:20 - Jan 27 by bluelagos
"UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives..."
If you accept this (and I do) then surely we should be collaborating with our European neighbours (and indeed other countries) to ensure that say vulnerable Dutch 80 years olds are vaccinated before less vulnerable 30 something Brits.
This was the basis of a WHO guy speech a couple of weeks ago. Never really got much of a discussion. And it's not going to happen of course because the current UK mood locally is predominantly one of fear. Throw in the Brexit factor and it's each man for themselves.
Would take a brave leader to say we are not going to immunise our 30 somethings because we want to help foreign 80 year olds. And I don't see that level of ethical thinking / humanity anywhere near our leadership and or in the average Joe's thinking.
The problem with WHO is that few countries are serious about it. Not least those of the EU and of course Donal Trump.
I think it has a role to play in the future, but only if countries put their money where their mouth is. And there are many that don’t.
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This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:35 - Jan 27 with 1038 views
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:26 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue
So the perv, the war monger and the Death Star operator.
I recall everyone coming out for John McCain's funeral. And the concession speech from McCain lost to Obama.
or McCain's defence of Obama during the election
People with different politics respecting each other. That's what I want, whereas others on here seems to want division.
Clearly a decent man. There's a very interesting story of McCain/Obama during the 2008 financial crisis. McCain phoned Obama and suggested they postponed their campaigns. They agreed not to and to keep their distance from the imploding economy. Then McCain went on tv and declared he had postponed his campaign, forcing Obama's hand. They both sat in on a high level meeting (Bush and Obama were annoyed McCain had forced their hand). They asked McCain what he would do and he said he would wait his turn to speak. They asked Obama who had a full plan. Then went back to McCain who didn't have anything. Apparently everyone in the room couldn't believe they had pulled that stunt with nothing planned.
Feel free to fact check this. Watched a documentary on 2008 recently and this is all from the mouths of people in the room including Obama and Bush.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:33 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue
We've stopped talking and painted our opponents as the enemy. It seems to suit the extremists on both sides to do so.
Classic Lols.
After a summer of raving about Middle Class White Boys and panning both BLM and Antifa protests you're now painting yourself as Captain Unity?
Incredible.
Pronouns: He/Him/His.
"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:39 - Jan 27 by SpruceMoose
Classic Lols.
After a summer of raving about Middle Class White Boys and panning both BLM and Antifa protests you're now painting yourself as Captain Unity?
Incredible.
If we are going down that route again, I said that middle class white boys were wrecking black neighbourhoods and making life harder for black people. I also said that it was entirely up the the black community how they reacted to the murder o George Floyd. As they were the people most affected by the institutional racism by the police in America.
I haven't once panned BLM. I fully support the BLM movement, if not always their choice of language with regards to defunding the police which I thought was counterproductive and open to misinterpretation.
J2Csaid in the same thread that he hoped antifa got a good kicking. Joe in another thread said that white people were making life harder for black people at the Colston statue.
You don't seem to mention either of them Sprucey.
I thought we could respectfully disagree on issues without you having to misrepresent something I said last year.
I note Paz is absent today. I wont make as good a substitute for him and have no wish to bore the rest of the board with ten pages of this. Sorry to disappoint.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:34 - Jan 27 by Churchman
The problem with WHO is that few countries are serious about it. Not least those of the EU and of course Donal Trump.
I think it has a role to play in the future, but only if countries put their money where their mouth is. And there are many that don’t.
The WHO is a diversion.
There is a clear ethical question of whether we should continue full steam ahead with our vaccination program at a time when there is a global shortage of the vaccine. To use vaccinations for our less vulnerable ahead of foreign vulnerable people will cause additional deaths.
We can hide behind whatever side points we like, but that is the reality of our current position and it isn't even being discussed. By continuing as we are more people will die. Just not British ones.
I know I am blunt but that is the reality.
And I concede absolutely Jo public would support the govt's position of vaccinating Brits first, irrespective. Just look at the support for cutting overseas aid when anyone who understands overseas aid knows that will lead to people dying.
This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:45 - Jan 27 by m14_blue
Check out the Twitter feed of pretty much any leave eu types and you’ll see the celebratory tone.
Of course, you’ll pretend you can’t see the context and demand an exact quote but that would just make you either incredibly thick or incredibly disingenuous, take your pick.
You just can not post without getting rude can you. I so wish I had your bravery! All I am suggesting is, that you are exaggerating in suggesting that loads of folk are wallowing in potential European Union deaths. It suits your argument of course, but is just not true. I am sure that 99% of ardent brexiteers and remainers hope we can work together to solve this terrible situation. To try and make political capital out of it is futile.
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