| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy 16:41 - Jan 27 with 11693 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:32 - Jan 27 with 1266 views | RegencyBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:02 - Jan 27 by m14_blue |
It’s sickening.
All the people glorying in this because they think it gives a veneer of respectability to their Brexit vote are literally boasting about the most vulnerable people in Europe dying.
Not much shocks me these days but even so.... |
No more sickening than all those people desperately trying to make excuses for the EU I would suggest.
It’s quite telling that in facing the biggest crisis in Europe since WW2 the EU has failed miserably on the vaccine front to the extent Germany is doing its own side deals and Hungary are buying supplies from Russia.
I also think the EU are playing politics with this as they don’t want a country having just left the EU to be seen as having a better vaccination programme than them, hence the German attempt to cast doubt on the efficacy of the Astrazenica vaccine a few days ago which followed some dubious Belgian government comments a few weeks ago. |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:34 - Jan 27 with 1249 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:31 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE |
The Germans should be furious with the EU. They were getting a deal done at the same time as us with a few other countries. Then the EU demanded to take over and spent 3 months dithering. |
Germany, Italy and one other who I can't remember. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:35 - Jan 27 with 1249 views | hype313 |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:34 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Germany, Italy and one other who I can't remember. |
France and Netherlands |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:35 - Jan 27 with 1253 views | Ftnfwest |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:10 - Jan 27 by Bent_double |
On the BBC a short while ago they said that back in December, AZ had problems with the UK plants producing the vaccine, so we got stocks from the 2 EU production sites. So now the EU are saying, if there are problems with the EU sites, you should provide us with stock from the UK sites. Seems reasonable. |
If there’s any excess available they certainly should. Plus give us our ham sandwiches back |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:38 - Jan 27 with 1237 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:35 - Jan 27 by hype313 |
France and Netherlands |
I thought it was just three. I thought the French were trying to produce their own. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:49 - Jan 27 with 1223 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:51 - Jan 27 with 1211 views | Churchman |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:09 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE |
This will go down like a lead balloon on here but i'm sure part of it is not wanting to be seen to be 'beaten' by a country who has just left the bloc. It will stir up some pretty hostile feeling among others why want out. So now they want to prove the bigger kid will win by trying to bully us. |
I think this is really interesting. Johnson was quite evasive about AZ supplies and it’s politically huge for the EU to nab U.K. supplies aside from saving their collective bacon from a vaccination perspective. It would be a massive coup for them.
I would not be surprised to see the lorries heading to Dover while the people rolling this out here are left with their Sodokus for a month or two. Johnson talked about the need to vaccinate the world. Is he preparing the ground? I really hope not.
The EU have no right to try it on. I still believe that in pursuing this policy, the EU economically and politically is making a mistake. |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:51 - Jan 27 with 1209 views | eastangliaisblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:38 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
I thought it was just three. I thought the French were trying to produce their own. |
The French one has failed and has been scrapped. Which begs the question, why can't these companies collaborate with each other for the greater good and produce the same vaccine? |  | | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:54 - Jan 27 with 1199 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:51 - Jan 27 by Churchman |
I think this is really interesting. Johnson was quite evasive about AZ supplies and it’s politically huge for the EU to nab U.K. supplies aside from saving their collective bacon from a vaccination perspective. It would be a massive coup for them.
I would not be surprised to see the lorries heading to Dover while the people rolling this out here are left with their Sodokus for a month or two. Johnson talked about the need to vaccinate the world. Is he preparing the ground? I really hope not.
The EU have no right to try it on. I still believe that in pursuing this policy, the EU economically and politically is making a mistake. |
Would be suicide for Johnson's career. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:56 - Jan 27 with 1192 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:51 - Jan 27 by Churchman |
I think this is really interesting. Johnson was quite evasive about AZ supplies and it’s politically huge for the EU to nab U.K. supplies aside from saving their collective bacon from a vaccination perspective. It would be a massive coup for them.
I would not be surprised to see the lorries heading to Dover while the people rolling this out here are left with their Sodokus for a month or two. Johnson talked about the need to vaccinate the world. Is he preparing the ground? I really hope not.
The EU have no right to try it on. I still believe that in pursuing this policy, the EU economically and politically is making a mistake. |
They are throwing a massive tantrum because they were slow off the mark. Now the bullying tactics have begun.
AZ have told us exactly what happened. The entitlement from the EU is incredible. I understand their frustration but they could have ordered at the same time as us. In fact, they screwed about 5 EU countries over who would probably now be telling them to do one alongside us if they had been allowed to order alone. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:57 - Jan 27 with 1190 views | giant_stow |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:51 - Jan 27 by eastangliaisblue |
The French one has failed and has been scrapped. Which begs the question, why can't these companies collaborate with each other for the greater good and produce the same vaccine? |
They are starting to do that. I think that Senofi (or whatever its called) is gonna produce the Pfizer one, starting june-ish. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:58 - Jan 27 with 1183 views | giant_stow |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:49 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
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That's dangerous talk. Just because we left, doesn't mean we're forever the agressors. Just one mep though I spose. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:02 - Jan 27 with 1159 views | Churchman |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:49 - Jan 27 by GlasgowBlue |
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This is awful. It reminds me of a rant from the 3rd Reich. The default tone seems to be one of bullying and a total failure to recognise they’ve made a pigs ear of it. But then the EU can never be wrong or seen to be wrong, I suppose. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:12 - Jan 27 with 1130 views | eastangliaisblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:57 - Jan 27 by giant_stow |
They are starting to do that. I think that Senofi (or whatever its called) is gonna produce the Pfizer one, starting june-ish. |
Ah, well that's good to know. My thinking was that even in a pandemic it's all just about money making. Glad I'm wrong. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:15 - Jan 27 with 1122 views | m14_blue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:32 - Jan 27 by RegencyBlue |
No more sickening than all those people desperately trying to make excuses for the EU I would suggest.
It’s quite telling that in facing the biggest crisis in Europe since WW2 the EU has failed miserably on the vaccine front to the extent Germany is doing its own side deals and Hungary are buying supplies from Russia.
I also think the EU are playing politics with this as they don’t want a country having just left the EU to be seen as having a better vaccination programme than them, hence the German attempt to cast doubt on the efficacy of the Astrazenica vaccine a few days ago which followed some dubious Belgian government comments a few weeks ago. |
I would suggest you’re wrong. They’re not remotely similar or comparable positions.
People being overly dogmatic and defensive about the EU despite all the evidence pointing to a catastrophic failing on their part = a bit misguided maybe.
People celebrating the EU being short of vaccines (and therefore more people dying) because it makes them feel a bit less stupid about Brexit = morally and ethically bankrupt and repugnant. |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:18 - Jan 27 with 1113 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:15 - Jan 27 by m14_blue |
I would suggest you’re wrong. They’re not remotely similar or comparable positions.
People being overly dogmatic and defensive about the EU despite all the evidence pointing to a catastrophic failing on their part = a bit misguided maybe.
People celebrating the EU being short of vaccines (and therefore more people dying) because it makes them feel a bit less stupid about Brexit = morally and ethically bankrupt and repugnant. |
I'm not celebrating. UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives (or any other human lives) but I have to say it has taken the edge off my disappointment at voting the wrong way.
We're not seeing the EU using their power in a positive way. We're seeing outright threats and bullying out of a sense of entitlement.
So yes, i'm slightly less disappointed in myself. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:23 - Jan 27 with 1098 views | m14_blue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:18 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE |
I'm not celebrating. UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives (or any other human lives) but I have to say it has taken the edge off my disappointment at voting the wrong way.
We're not seeing the EU using their power in a positive way. We're seeing outright threats and bullying out of a sense of entitlement.
So yes, i'm slightly less disappointed in myself. |
That’s fair enough and I certainly wasn’t thinking of you.
I don’t think it’s entirely logical though, if we had remained then the chances are the whole continent would be in a far better place.
The EU are handling this appallingly though, no question about that. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:24 - Jan 27 with 1092 views | ChiefXL |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:18 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE |
I'm not celebrating. UK lives aren't worth any more than other European lives (or any other human lives) but I have to say it has taken the edge off my disappointment at voting the wrong way.
We're not seeing the EU using their power in a positive way. We're seeing outright threats and bullying out of a sense of entitlement.
So yes, i'm slightly less disappointed in myself. |
What, not even the French?? |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:25 - Jan 27 with 1090 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:23 - Jan 27 by m14_blue |
That’s fair enough and I certainly wasn’t thinking of you.
I don’t think it’s entirely logical though, if we had remained then the chances are the whole continent would be in a far better place.
The EU are handling this appallingly though, no question about that. |
I know but I wanted to point that out.
They've still shown themselves in a very bad light. I realise they are panicking and it's a once in a lifetime (we hope) event but their reaction is out of order. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:29 - Jan 27 with 1078 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:25 - Jan 27 by J2BLUE |
I know but I wanted to point that out.
They've still shown themselves in a very bad light. I realise they are panicking and it's a once in a lifetime (we hope) event but their reaction is out of order. |
This made me chuckle*
*Herbie FYI, I'm not being glib about the deaths of thousands of people in the EU. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:37 - Jan 27 with 1067 views | StokieBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:51 - Jan 27 by eastangliaisblue |
The French one has failed and has been scrapped. Which begs the question, why can't these companies collaborate with each other for the greater good and produce the same vaccine? |
Sanofi are now going to produce the Pfizer vaccine in their manufacturing plants since their vaccine wasn't successful.
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:40 - Jan 27 with 1056 views | pointofblue |
If the U.K. turns around and demands that AZ pre-warns the government of any vaccinations being exported, presumably resulting in it being blocked, I guess the EU won’t have a leg to stand on as that’s what they’ve said they might do with Pfizer. Someone got it right further up - it’ll turn into vaccine wars which is ridiculous, unneeded and dangerous. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:45 - Jan 27 with 1041 views | m14_blue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:27 - Jan 27 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Please could you tell me who specifically is boasting about the most venerable people in Europe dying. If this is true then something needs to be done about it. |
Check out the Twitter feed of pretty much any leave eu types and you’ll see the celebratory tone.
Of course, you’ll pretend you can’t see the context and demand an exact quote but that would just make you either incredibly thick or incredibly disingenuous, take your pick. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:45 - Jan 27 with 1041 views | StokieBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:40 - Jan 27 by pointofblue |
If the U.K. turns around and demands that AZ pre-warns the government of any vaccinations being exported, presumably resulting in it being blocked, I guess the EU won’t have a leg to stand on as that’s what they’ve said they might do with Pfizer. Someone got it right further up - it’ll turn into vaccine wars which is ridiculous, unneeded and dangerous. |
I think it's probably too late, it's already going to be vaccine wars. The EU have made a right mess of it and given the narrative between the UK and the EU we are the obvious targets for any reactionary action.
Can't blame them for the target given our behaviour as a nation the last 4 years but the response in general is crazy really. AZ have been clear on their reasoning.
The second stage of the EU meltdown will occur when Germany get the 30m vaccines they bought outside the EU agreement even though it was against the rules and then refuse to share them with anyone else in the EU.
It could conceivably do some harm which will be extremely hard to repair.
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:46 - Jan 27 with 1036 views | StokieBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:45 - Jan 27 by m14_blue |
Check out the Twitter feed of pretty much any leave eu types and you’ll see the celebratory tone.
Of course, you’ll pretend you can’t see the context and demand an exact quote but that would just make you either incredibly thick or incredibly disingenuous, take your pick. |
I've not looked but that's appalling.
This isn't something to be celebrating about, it's people dying. Some people are so petty minded.
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