| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy 16:41 - Jan 27 with 11687 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 10:44 - Jan 28 with 1712 views | BlueRaider |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 20:05 - Jan 27 by Swansea_Blue |
That's alright then. Have they made the contract public yet? I genuinely don't know, but surely they've got nothing to hide by not releasing it if there's a dispute. |
There would be a certain irony if it went to the ECJ and they ruled in our favour |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 10:47 - Jan 28 with 1707 views | Leaky |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:10 - Jan 27 by Bent_double |
On the BBC a short while ago they said that back in December, AZ had problems with the UK plants producing the vaccine, so we got stocks from the 2 EU production sites. So now the EU are saying, if there are problems with the EU sites, you should provide us with stock from the UK sites. Seems reasonable. |
I have just read a quote from the head of Astrozenica that it was the other way round, that there were problems at a Belgian plant & that European plants were not as productive as the UK. Something to do with a vat not operating efficiently. May have read it wrong of course. |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 10:52 - Jan 28 with 1692 views | BlueRaider |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 21:31 - Jan 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Hey Vapes.
Is this definite info? Sounds a bit friend of a friend stuff?? |
Cayman Islands are a British overseas territory, much like Gibraltar and the Falklands aren't they ? | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 10:54 - Jan 28 with 1692 views | Pinewoodblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 10:47 - Jan 28 by Leaky |
I have just read a quote from the head of Astrozenica that it was the other way round, that there were problems at a Belgian plant & that European plants were not as productive as the UK. Something to do with a vat not operating efficiently. May have read it wrong of course. |
What is happening at AZ’s EU based plants seems to be similar to the problems they experienced in the U.K. production was slow to build up. I’m sure production will ramp up and any shortfall made up in the months ahead.
We were supposed to have had 20,000,000 doses ready for the off but it didn’t happen. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 11:03 - Jan 28 with 1659 views | Leaky |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:37 - Jan 27 by StokieBlue |
Sanofi are now going to produce the Pfizer vaccine in their manufacturing plants since their vaccine wasn't successful.
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I think you will find they just packaging it | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 11:03 - Jan 28 with 1657 views | Pinewoodblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 10:54 - Jan 28 by Pinewoodblue |
What is happening at AZ’s EU based plants seems to be similar to the problems they experienced in the U.K. production was slow to build up. I’m sure production will ramp up and any shortfall made up in the months ahead.
We were supposed to have had 20,000,000 doses ready for the off but it didn’t happen. |
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/large-scale-coronavirus-vaccine-manufacturing
This is what was supposed to happen with AZ’s vaccine. Pretty sure that this is an EU based company. The vaccine in question is still bring trialed. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 14:23 - Jan 28 with 1585 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 09:57 - Jan 28 by ElderGrizzly |
Your good news point is true. We have pre-ordered something like 300m+ doses.
Some of those are from yet to be approved vaccines of course, but the reason we have so many is the unknown factor of how long the vaccines last.
We've effectively ordered 4 doses for every person to allow for a 2 doses booster later in the year. |
I would love to see some sort of optional payment for vaccines or some sort of fund we could donate to in order to buy more for poorer countries. I'd be very happy to pay for my vaccines so someone else could have it for free elsewhere in the world. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:41 - Jan 28 with 1548 views | vapour_trail |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 23:24 - Jan 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Oh Gawd
Don't you two start arguing.
Let's change the subject in a way. I'm currently in an hotel in Poole listening to Neil Young.
Not that it's a great deal of interest to most, I have had one of the greatest things tonight that has ever happened in my life. I spent three hours on an excel sheet and then saved it but inexplicably lost it.
After what seems an age (two bloody hours) I decided to take my head out of my apron and do it again but before I did - guess what, I found it in a download folder as an CSV thing.
I know that is completely uninteresting but I've written it now.
Anyway, hope you are ok. |
Used to go camping down there between corfe castle and studland bay. Nice part of the world. Kids were fascinated by the nudist beach. Strangest queue for an ice cream van I’ve ever seen on the beach. An old boy wearing nothing but a bum bag was the best dressed person there. Heaven knows where the rest of them were holding their change.
I’m not doubting glasgow or grizzly’s deffo info, only that those principles are not being strictly adhered to. That the wealthy of the not locked down cayman are being vaccinated ahead of the vulnerable around them, and the rest of the world more broadly isn’t surprising, but it’s still sh1t.
Keep on rockin in the free world. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:27 - Jan 28 with 1461 views | bluelagos |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 09:44 - Jan 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Land rovers really are sh1t aren't they! |
In Liberia we had Toyotas with over 350k Km on the clock. Given the hard labour (Taking loads upcountry on muddy roads) and the battering they took, they were pretty bullet proof considering.
The pickups were summat else - the thing they tried to kill on Top Gear once and couldn't.
I read once that in the Liberian war (before my time) the rebels favoured them too as they could be used with rocket launchers on the flat beds. So adaptable too :-) |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:37 - Jan 28 with 1455 views | Kievthegreat |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:27 - Jan 28 by bluelagos |
In Liberia we had Toyotas with over 350k Km on the clock. Given the hard labour (Taking loads upcountry on muddy roads) and the battering they took, they were pretty bullet proof considering.
The pickups were summat else - the thing they tried to kill on Top Gear once and couldn't.
I read once that in the Liberian war (before my time) the rebels favoured them too as they could be used with rocket launchers on the flat beds. So adaptable too :-) |
If you include all the militia, paramilitary, terrorist and insurgent groups in the world, I'm fairly certain Toyota are one of the biggest defense companies in the world!
Not sure how much they like ISIS and the like advertising them regularly in their footage though. |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 08:36 - Jan 29 with 1339 views | GlasgowBlue |
I can’t see the french general public putting up with this much longer. Although in Macron’s favour is the fact that something like 50% of French people will refuse the vaccine.
Either way, this is going ti be a gift to Le Pen in this year’s election. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 8:39]
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 11:54 - Jan 29 with 1286 views | Kievthegreat |
AZ contract with the EU has been published.
Lots to dig through (will leave to journalists and lawyers), but one thing pulled out a couple of tweets into the thread is that the EU contract includes UK production facilities as part of their supply chain.
I'm guessing the argument advanced will be that AZ isn't making best effort to satisfy it's EU contract if it prioritises it's delivery to the UK, but then it sounds like that is exactly what the UK agreed in it's contract | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 12:00 - Jan 29 with 1279 views | StokieBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 11:54 - Jan 29 by Kievthegreat |
AZ contract with the EU has been published.
Lots to dig through (will leave to journalists and lawyers), but one thing pulled out a couple of tweets into the thread is that the EU contract includes UK production facilities as part of their supply chain.
I'm guessing the argument advanced will be that AZ isn't making best effort to satisfy it's EU contract if it prioritises it's delivery to the UK, but then it sounds like that is exactly what the UK agreed in it's contract |
So it could get into an argument about seniority of contract which would be even more messy if they contradict each other.
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 12:29 - Jan 29 with 1244 views | Kievthegreat |
Interesting tidbit from a German MEP.
Apparently only the EU allows exports of the Pfizer vaccine. USA has the other production site, but won't export, even to Canada.
The main argument in the clip is if the US won't share and the UK won't share, then the EU has to look after it's own, "we can't be the only ones playing fair". Would have held much more credence if they'd said that before being caught trying to strong arm AZ. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 13:01 - Jan 29 with 1208 views | pointofblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 12:29 - Jan 29 by Kievthegreat |
Interesting tidbit from a German MEP.
Apparently only the EU allows exports of the Pfizer vaccine. USA has the other production site, but won't export, even to Canada.
The main argument in the clip is if the US won't share and the UK won't share, then the EU has to look after it's own, "we can't be the only ones playing fair". Would have held much more credence if they'd said that before being caught trying to strong arm AZ. |
The EU Justice Commissioner is potentially accusing the U.K. of starting a vaccine war:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55852698
Even as a Remainer I have to say that seems a bit rich. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 13:05 - Jan 29 with 1196 views | hype313 |
If they stop supplies of AZ into the UK, then I wonder what happens when the key ingredient that Pfizer are reliant on is manufactured by Croda in Goole...
Obviously this is just utterly insane, we all just want to get cracking with the vaccines, but the EU are being incredibly childish here.
Again, coming from another ardent remainer. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 13:07 - Jan 29 with 1186 views | pointofblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 13:05 - Jan 29 by hype313 |
If they stop supplies of AZ into the UK, then I wonder what happens when the key ingredient that Pfizer are reliant on is manufactured by Croda in Goole...
Obviously this is just utterly insane, we all just want to get cracking with the vaccines, but the EU are being incredibly childish here.
Again, coming from another ardent remainer. |
They mucked up by driving up liability and lowering cost, albeit understandably, which resulted in a delay and are now trying to pass the buck - first onto the drug company and now onto the U.K. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 13:18 - Jan 29 with 1163 views | giant_stow |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 13:07 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
They mucked up by driving up liability and lowering cost, albeit understandably, which resulted in a delay and are now trying to pass the buck - first onto the drug company and now onto the U.K. |
Bullying obnoxious behaviour. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:23 - Jan 29 with 1105 views | pointofblue |
EU confirms export controls:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540
The problem is if we do the same thing, not just with the AZ vaccine but didn’t someone mention a factory in Goole produces a key ingredient for the Pfizer vaccine? | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:26 - Jan 29 with 1098 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:23 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
EU confirms export controls:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540
The problem is if we do the same thing, not just with the AZ vaccine but didn’t someone mention a factory in Goole produces a key ingredient for the Pfizer vaccine? |
To be authtorised by them and their members? At the pace they move we should prepare for problems. Delays at best, no Pfizer at worst. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:46 - Jan 29 with 1066 views | hype313 |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:23 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
EU confirms export controls:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540
The problem is if we do the same thing, not just with the AZ vaccine but didn’t someone mention a factory in Goole produces a key ingredient for the Pfizer vaccine? |
It would look really bad if we engaged with tit for tat, also what does it say about the EU for companies wanting to invest in the EU? | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:48 - Jan 29 with 1061 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, I saw that yesterday when I was looking for global vaccination rates. I'm not sure whether Bidens speeded things up or they were already starting to take off (I'm not sure how it's being organised over there - federal or state basis).
This is one time when everyone just needs to come together and pull out the stops. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 16:07 - Jan 29 with 1035 views | Kievthegreat |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 15:23 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
EU confirms export controls:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540
The problem is if we do the same thing, not just with the AZ vaccine but didn’t someone mention a factory in Goole produces a key ingredient for the Pfizer vaccine? |
The fact supply chains for these vaccines as well as the vaccines themselves cross the channel is why a solution will be found. There will be some attempted face saving where both sides play that they are magnanimous and not giving way. For instance, the UK will let the EU have some AZ, whilst still hitting some kind of target or limit (UK seen to be sharing) and the EU will make a point of still exporting Pfizer (EU seen to reciprocate).
Also for what it's worth, I highly doubt the UK would restrict export of ingredients to make Pfizer vaccines. While there is a selfish benefit to the EU in keeping Pfizer to themselves, there is no gain for the UK in disrupting Pfizer production. The EU keeping Pfizer vaccines is effectively trading lives in one country for another (wrong, but also the policy of the US, UK and many other players with preferential deals), disrupting the creation of a vaccine out of pettiness is the moral equivalent of murder. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 16:09 - Jan 29 with 1023 views | GlasgowBlue |
They are taking the piss now. We didn't start any of this. The row was between the EU and AZ, but the EU seem to want to paint the UK as the aggressors for the consumption of their own domestic audience. | |
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