| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy 16:41 - Jan 27 with 11698 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 16:15 - Jan 29 with 907 views | IpswichKnight |
That’s lovely however my understanding of contract law is you can act once a breach has occurred and as they are not due to receive the first batch until April there is pretty much Jack all they can do until a breach has occurred ( of course this is based on English law, Belgian contractual law was understandably not taught as part of my law degree! ).
It sounds like the EU are trying to deflect blame from themselves onto the UK even though the UK had nothing to do with the contract. |  | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 16:22 - Jan 29 with 878 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 16:15 - Jan 29 by IpswichKnight |
That’s lovely however my understanding of contract law is you can act once a breach has occurred and as they are not due to receive the first batch until April there is pretty much Jack all they can do until a breach has occurred ( of course this is based on English law, Belgian contractual law was understandably not taught as part of my law degree! ).
It sounds like the EU are trying to deflect blame from themselves onto the UK even though the UK had nothing to do with the contract. |
Come on people, leaver or remainer, this one is obvious.
Anti EU movements in the EU. Le Pen still a threat in France. They can't be seen to 'lose' to a member who just left the bloc and they will throw everything at this to make sure their slow movement isn't used against them. I don't doubt that they are looking out for EU citizens but that is second on the list for EU officials. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 17:10 - Jan 29 with 829 views | giant_stow |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 16:22 - Jan 29 by J2BLUE |
Come on people, leaver or remainer, this one is obvious.
Anti EU movements in the EU. Le Pen still a threat in France. They can't be seen to 'lose' to a member who just left the bloc and they will throw everything at this to make sure their slow movement isn't used against them. I don't doubt that they are looking out for EU citizens but that is second on the list for EU officials. |
Clear as day. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:02 - Jan 29 with 775 views | giant_stow |
Macron:
"He also said the AstraZeneca vaccine, given approval by the EU regulator on Friday for use on all adults, appeared to be “quasi-ineffective” on people older than 65, though he acknowledged he had no figures or official information."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/emmanuel-macron-coronavirus-vaccin
Why do they keep running it down at the very highest levels if they want it so bad? | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:04 - Jan 29 with 765 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:02 - Jan 29 by giant_stow |
Macron:
"He also said the AstraZeneca vaccine, given approval by the EU regulator on Friday for use on all adults, appeared to be “quasi-ineffective” on people older than 65, though he acknowledged he had no figures or official information."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/emmanuel-macron-coronavirus-vaccin
Why do they keep running it down at the very highest levels if they want it so bad? |
Politics. Clearly been briefed. Maybe it's to try and turn public opinion in the UK so we have excess and then once they have them there will be some 'new evidence'.
Doubt it will work. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:11 - Jan 29 with 748 views | pointofblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:02 - Jan 29 by giant_stow |
Macron:
"He also said the AstraZeneca vaccine, given approval by the EU regulator on Friday for use on all adults, appeared to be “quasi-ineffective” on people older than 65, though he acknowledged he had no figures or official information."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/emmanuel-macron-coronavirus-vaccin
Why do they keep running it down at the very highest levels if they want it so bad? |
The biggest problem is it just encourages the anti-vaxxers which will be awful in the long term. The EU’s rhetoric is becoming increasingly dangerous for everyone. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 18:11]
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:11 - Jan 29 with 747 views | giant_stow |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:04 - Jan 29 by J2BLUE |
Politics. Clearly been briefed. Maybe it's to try and turn public opinion in the UK so we have excess and then once they have them there will be some 'new evidence'.
Doubt it will work. |
without sounding like a child, I think its incredibly mean spirited! | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:17 - Jan 29 with 727 views | chicoazul |
Remember that time Ed Davey demanded we join the EU vaccine programme? |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:25 - Jan 29 with 718 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:17 - Jan 29 by chicoazul |
Remember that time Ed Davey demanded we join the EU vaccine programme? |
There were loads on here openly laughing at the Brexiters because we didn't sign up.
Their dealing of the fallout on this is exactly why I don't trust or have any respect for the charlatans. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:26 - Jan 29 with 721 views | Churchman |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 16:15 - Jan 29 by IpswichKnight |
That’s lovely however my understanding of contract law is you can act once a breach has occurred and as they are not due to receive the first batch until April there is pretty much Jack all they can do until a breach has occurred ( of course this is based on English law, Belgian contractual law was understandably not taught as part of my law degree! ).
It sounds like the EU are trying to deflect blame from themselves onto the UK even though the UK had nothing to do with the contract. |
There is an interesting article in the Independent. A contracts lawyer who’s looked at what’s been published reckons the EU publishing it means they’ve shot themselves in the foot. The EU according to him/her hasn’t a legal leg to stand on.
In another bit of news, they’ve invoked article 16 of the Brexit Agreement to stop Pfizer vaccine coming from the EU to NI and in turn the rest of the U.K. Theoretically that means a ‘hard border’. Nice. Also means a delay to the vaccination programme of a couple of months.
The EU members have accused the U.K. of all sorts of stuff today and some of their language has been awful. They’re thrashing around like a hooked fish. The U.K. govt by keeping quiet on this at the moment is right in keeping its powder dry. That makes it 2 things it’s got right out of about 50 in the last year.
Lastly, it turns out the EU hasn’t signed an agreement for the new Novavax vaccine yet. I presume as it’s one of the best, subject to approval, they will and be demanding the Stockton on Tees manufacturer sends the vaccine to them first. Jog on.
They’re not covering themselves in glory. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 18:28]
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:26 - Jan 29 with 708 views | chicoazul |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:25 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan |
There were loads on here openly laughing at the Brexiters because we didn't sign up.
Their dealing of the fallout on this is exactly why I don't trust or have any respect for the charlatans. |
It’s pretty funny in all respects.
How is Brexit affecting your biz luv? | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:30 - Jan 29 with 695 views | m14_blue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:26 - Jan 29 by chicoazul |
It’s pretty funny in all respects.
How is Brexit affecting your biz luv? |
Well funny. All those old people in Europe dying needlessly cracks me up.
At least you can score internet points against the libs though. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:31 - Jan 29 with 690 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:26 - Jan 29 by chicoazul |
It’s pretty funny in all respects.
How is Brexit affecting your biz luv? |
This is what happens when the likes of you and Lucan abandon us. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:33 - Jan 29 with 674 views | Lord_Lucan |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:26 - Jan 29 by chicoazul |
It’s pretty funny in all respects.
How is Brexit affecting your biz luv? |
If I am quite honest it's a bit of a problem at the moment, mainly because the government doesn't seem to know what they are going to do with CE and UKCA regs
It might sort itself out but NI is also a bit of a problem as we have a very big customer over there and it looks as though they will accept CE but not UKCA.
The worse thing to be honest is that no one seems to have a bloody clue what is going to happen and Covid is quite naturally taking all the ministers time up. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:34 - Jan 29 with 669 views | chicoazul |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:30 - Jan 29 by m14_blue |
Well funny. All those old people in Europe dying needlessly cracks me up.
At least you can score internet points against the libs though. |
Speaking of internet points how many did you earn for that po-faced straw man? | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:35 - Jan 29 with 673 views | m14_blue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:34 - Jan 29 by chicoazul |
Speaking of internet points how many did you earn for that po-faced straw man? |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:55 - Jan 29 with 622 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:11 - Jan 29 by giant_stow |
without sounding like a child, I think its incredibly mean spirited! |
The EU invoked Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol which allows parts of the deal to be unilaterally overridden.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442
I'm getting all nostalgic for the days when it was us swivel eyed loony Brexiteers who were putting the Good Friday Agreement in jeopardy.
Edit. I see Churchman has already linked this. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 19:00]
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:58 - Jan 29 with 610 views | Pinewoodblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:26 - Jan 29 by Churchman |
There is an interesting article in the Independent. A contracts lawyer who’s looked at what’s been published reckons the EU publishing it means they’ve shot themselves in the foot. The EU according to him/her hasn’t a legal leg to stand on.
In another bit of news, they’ve invoked article 16 of the Brexit Agreement to stop Pfizer vaccine coming from the EU to NI and in turn the rest of the U.K. Theoretically that means a ‘hard border’. Nice. Also means a delay to the vaccination programme of a couple of months.
The EU members have accused the U.K. of all sorts of stuff today and some of their language has been awful. They’re thrashing around like a hooked fish. The U.K. govt by keeping quiet on this at the moment is right in keeping its powder dry. That makes it 2 things it’s got right out of about 50 in the last year.
Lastly, it turns out the EU hasn’t signed an agreement for the new Novavax vaccine yet. I presume as it’s one of the best, subject to approval, they will and be demanding the Stockton on Tees manufacturer sends the vaccine to them first. Jog on.
They’re not covering themselves in glory. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 18:28]
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Although the EU may have reached an agreement with AstraZeneca last August the contract was approved by the EU until 11th November. |  |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:02 - Jan 29 with 592 views | pointofblue |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:58 - Jan 29 by Pinewoodblue |
Although the EU may have reached an agreement with AstraZeneca last August the contract was approved by the EU until 11th November. |
The UK is "carefully considering" its next steps after the EU introduced export controls on vaccines made in the bloc, amid a row about delivery shortfalls.
Under Northern Ireland's Brexit deal, all products should be exported from the EU to NI without checks or controls.
But the EU believed this could be used to circumvent export controls, with NI becoming a backdoor to the wider UK.
Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has spoken with European Commission Vice President MaroÅ¡ Å efÄoviÄ to express the UK’s concern over a lack of notification from the EU about its actions in relation to the NI protocol.
"Gove told him the UK would now be carefully considering next steps," Downing Street said in a statement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55853003 | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:07 - Jan 29 with 577 views | IpswichKnight |
Wonder if the Pfizer vaccine contract has a clause in it about Exit controls, I wouldn’t be surprised if it does as the UK demanded the AZ contract had a Uk supply chain for just this occasion. Wonder if we have access via a 3rd party.
The clause about mixing vaccines doesn’t look so stupid now and I wonder if we’ve done more research on this than we actually think. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:08 - Jan 29 with 574 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:02 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
The UK is "carefully considering" its next steps after the EU introduced export controls on vaccines made in the bloc, amid a row about delivery shortfalls.
Under Northern Ireland's Brexit deal, all products should be exported from the EU to NI without checks or controls.
But the EU believed this could be used to circumvent export controls, with NI becoming a backdoor to the wider UK.
Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has spoken with European Commission Vice President MaroÅ¡ Å efÄoviÄ to express the UK’s concern over a lack of notification from the EU about its actions in relation to the NI protocol.
"Gove told him the UK would now be carefully considering next steps," Downing Street said in a statement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-55853003 |
If the contracts are clear and AZ are right then any EU block on experts would be an act of aggression and we should block the equivalent number of AZ vaccines from going to Europe.
They cannot get away with basically stealing UK vaccines IF the contract is as AZ says.
I wish the people of Europe nothing but good things and I hope they get plenty of vaccines ASAP but that would be unacceptable. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:31 - Jan 29 with 531 views | Churchman |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 18:58 - Jan 29 by Pinewoodblue |
Although the EU may have reached an agreement with AstraZeneca last August the contract was approved by the EU until 11th November. |
Tbh I did understand what the Independent dude said I can’t remember enough to make sense. I should have put a link in - apols. Either way, the EU are dispensing blame and trying to bully to cover their failures.
I think it’s a dangerous game, especially doing that with multinational companies. | | | |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:53 - Jan 29 with 499 views | Ryorry |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:08 - Jan 29 by J2BLUE |
If the contracts are clear and AZ are right then any EU block on experts would be an act of aggression and we should block the equivalent number of AZ vaccines from going to Europe.
They cannot get away with basically stealing UK vaccines IF the contract is as AZ says.
I wish the people of Europe nothing but good things and I hope they get plenty of vaccines ASAP but that would be unacceptable. |
No idea if this chap is right or wrong, but fwiw -
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:57 - Jan 29 with 488 views | J2BLUE |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:53 - Jan 29 by Ryorry |
No idea if this chap is right or wrong, but fwiw -
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Oh come on. It's quite clear this is at least partly political. He has a bloody EU flag next to his name.
They don't want to be seen to have responded less successfully than a former member, especially with people like Le Pen about to weaponise it (something i'd be pretty disgusted by as she would be using European deaths to score political points). Even so, this is so clearly at least partly political. They aren't going to admit it but it's incredibly obvious. | |
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| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 20:04 - Jan 29 with 458 views | Ryorry |
| This EU demand for AZ vaccines is going to get very messy on 19:57 - Jan 29 by J2BLUE |
Oh come on. It's quite clear this is at least partly political. He has a bloody EU flag next to his name.
They don't want to be seen to have responded less successfully than a former member, especially with people like Le Pen about to weaponise it (something i'd be pretty disgusted by as she would be using European deaths to score political points). Even so, this is so clearly at least partly political. They aren't going to admit it but it's incredibly obvious. |
People having flags next to their names doesn't mean they're being party political on individual issues. I'd have an EU flag next to my twitter name if I could be arsed and had the space, yet I'm perfectly prepared to accept whatever's actually legally correct in the contract.
Edited to add that it may not have been clear, but my post was purely in response to Otto Parsnips re the contract, and not in any way to the chap he was replying to re 60 years' peace in Europe. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 20:16]
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