| NHS 1% pay rise 22:31 - Mar 4 with 9027 views | StokieBlue |
WTF are the Tories thinking?
A tiny pay rise for a public sector organisation that have worked incredibly hard the last year in frankly awful conditions. Probably the worst conditions in hospital with regards to stress and mental health in more than a generation.
Even if that is changed and revised upwards the fact it was originally considered "acceptable" is ridiculous. I am sure most people would have accepted a small income tax increase in order to make the appropriate public sector pay rises.
At least they all clapped though.
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:58 - Mar 5 with 2113 views | footers |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:56 - Mar 5 by DanTheMan |
What annoys me more is that you could see it coming a mile off.
Everyone happy to give them pointless crap like that but when it comes down to actual tangible rewards for their work it's "oh well we're a little hard up on cash at the moment".
And then when they're not hard up on cash they still barely get a payrise. We treat NHS staff terribly, I imagine they're still worse off now than they were 2008 crash. [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 8:10]
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....the ones that are left anyway... |  |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:58 - Mar 5 with 2113 views | Herbivore |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:52 - Mar 5 by tractordownsouth |
What they really mean is they’ve spent the last 12 months dishing out money to their mates so there’s no money left for the nurses. |
This is it isn't it? The money they've pissed away on track and trace when the NHS would likely have delivered a far better system for a fraction of the cost is eye watering, and now it's NHS and other public sector workers picking up the tab. |  |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:07 - Mar 5 with 2088 views | vapour_trail |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:58 - Mar 5 by Herbivore |
This is it isn't it? The money they've pissed away on track and trace when the NHS would likely have delivered a far better system for a fraction of the cost is eye watering, and now it's NHS and other public sector workers picking up the tab. |
All irrelevant. As per Glasgow Blue’s thread, they’re currently polling as the most popular choice for the public by a margin. The public support this.
The public want what the public get. |  |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:25 - Mar 5 with 2066 views | Herbivore |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:07 - Mar 5 by vapour_trail |
All irrelevant. As per Glasgow Blue’s thread, they’re currently polling as the most popular choice for the public by a margin. The public support this.
The public want what the public get. |
It's as baffling as it is depressing. What a petty and selfish country we must be. | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:26 - Mar 5 with 2065 views | ElderGrizzly |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 22:40 - Mar 4 by Guthrum |
"It's better than the pay freeze everyone else is going to get"
(Sets off to find £16bn in public sector cuts) |
Indeed. NHS deserve so much more, but the majority of Civil Service were given 0% last year |  | | |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:27 - Mar 5 with 2061 views | StokieBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:33 - Mar 5 by blue62 |
Yes it’s a rubbish pay rise and they deserve a lot more. But a lot of private sector will get no rise at all or have hours cut.
How many here have seen a reduction in their earning over the past 12 months with little chance of a raise this year? |
How many 12 hour+ shifts did those private sector workers do in hospitals exposing themselves to the virus often without proper PPE at the start of the pandemic? How many people did those private sector workers see die and how did it affect their mental health?
This is a particularly stupid false equivalence you've gone for.
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:31 - Mar 5 with 2048 views | footers |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:27 - Mar 5 by StokieBlue |
How many 12 hour+ shifts did those private sector workers do in hospitals exposing themselves to the virus often without proper PPE at the start of the pandemic? How many people did those private sector workers see die and how did it affect their mental health?
This is a particularly stupid false equivalence you've gone for.
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Case in point for more school funding, tbf | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:54 - Mar 5 with 2011 views | lowhouseblue |
don't see how it can be a sustainable position - the government is just guaranteeing a huge u turn in a couple of months. [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 8:54]
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:02 - Mar 5 with 2007 views | Herbivore |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:54 - Mar 5 by lowhouseblue |
don't see how it can be a sustainable position - the government is just guaranteeing a huge u turn in a couple of months. [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 8:54]
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It's how they govern. Put out something that's pretty awful, see if the public will live with it, then u-turn if necessary. | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:05 - Mar 5 with 2001 views | Meadowlark |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 22:39 - Mar 4 by BlueBadger |
What they're thinking is 'the public are stupid enough to still keep voting for us, regardless of what we do'. |
And they seem to be proved right every time! |  | | |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:05 - Mar 5 with 1996 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 08:54 - Mar 5 by lowhouseblue |
don't see how it can be a sustainable position - the government is just guaranteeing a huge u turn in a couple of months. [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 8:54]
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I was thinking the same thing. The 1% offer is the opening gambit, with the pay review board coming back with a higher recommendation which the government will accept and implement.
Terrible politics which completely misreads the mood of the country, whilst also being a complete kick in the balls of our health professionals who have gone above and beyond over the past year.
Whoever came up with this strategy is a moron. |  |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:06 - Mar 5 with 1999 views | WeWereZombies |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:58 - Mar 5 by footers |
....the ones that are left anyway... |
This was also brought up in this morning's BBC news item:
'The Royal College of Nursing's general secretary, Dame Donna Kinnair, said it would result in an increase of just £3.50 a week in take-home pay for an experienced nurse.
She said: "This is pitiful and bitterly disappointing. The government is dangerously out of touch with nursing staff, NHS workers and the public.
"Nobody would think that is fair in the middle of a pandemic and it will do nothing to prevent the exodus from nursing."' |  |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:08 - Mar 5 with 1997 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 22:51 - Mar 4 by J2BLUE |
How sickening. That imagine of Johnson and Sunak clapping like a couple of seals and now this.
#tories |
This is what the tabloids should lead with but I bet they haven't.
An image of the two of them clapping with "we can't afford to pay you any more, though".
Then an image of them enjoying their free lunches with the figure of whatever last year's pay rise for them was. |  |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:13 - Mar 5 with 1979 views | factual_blue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 07:13 - Mar 5 by noggin |
Nadine Dorries says, "It's all we can afford. We've spent the last decade fixing the economy after the Labour Government." |
' fixing the economy after a bunch of avaricious bankers destroyed it' is of course the correct way to say that. |  |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:17 - Mar 5 with 1965 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:02 - Mar 5 by Herbivore |
It's how they govern. Put out something that's pretty awful, see if the public will live with it, then u-turn if necessary. |
And the clever bit is that this is even more popular.
Labour would never have scraped around to find the extra to increase that already-generous 1% pay rise to 1.25%. How wonderful we have such a caring Government. They defo deserve their 10% pay rise. Good on them. | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:20 - Mar 5 with 1959 views | tractordownsouth |
Just occurred to me that it’s taken less than 5 years to go from £350m extra a week for the NHS to £3.50 a week extra for nurses [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 9:21]
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:21 - Mar 5 with 1949 views | StokieBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:20 - Mar 5 by tractordownsouth |
Just occurred to me that it’s taken less than 5 years to go from £350m extra a week for the NHS to £3.50 a week extra for nurses [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 9:21]
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Perhaps they only have those 3 numbers on the typewriter they use to do press releases?
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:24 - Mar 5 with 1935 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:17 - Mar 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
And the clever bit is that this is even more popular.
Labour would never have scraped around to find the extra to increase that already-generous 1% pay rise to 1.25%. How wonderful we have such a caring Government. They defo deserve their 10% pay rise. Good on them. |
Labour’s shadow health secretary was asked three times how much they would offer the nurses. Three times they refused to give a figure and replied that they would accept the recommendation of the pay review board, which is what this government will ultimately do.
Let’s not pretend that Labour now be offering a substantial pay rise. | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:24 - Mar 5 with 1937 views | footers |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:20 - Mar 5 by tractordownsouth |
Just occurred to me that it’s taken less than 5 years to go from £350m extra a week for the NHS to £3.50 a week extra for nurses [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 9:21]
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Ah now, you're forgetting all the cash they've been hoarding with the free parking exemption. | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:30 - Mar 5 with 1920 views | StokieBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:24 - Mar 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Labour’s shadow health secretary was asked three times how much they would offer the nurses. Three times they refused to give a figure and replied that they would accept the recommendation of the pay review board, which is what this government will ultimately do.
Let’s not pretend that Labour now be offering a substantial pay rise. |
I'm not sure that outside election campaigning the shadow health secretary should have the exact number they would provide nurses to hand. They don't need to be drawing up their own budget, just looking the the Tories and exposing the holes.
Even if the government do ultimately accept the pay board recommendations it's awful messaging. Imagine how the staff of the NHS are feeling this morning reading those headlines and heading into work for another day dealing with Covid, just like the previous 350 or so.
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:34 - Mar 5 with 1913 views | WeWereZombies |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:24 - Mar 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Labour’s shadow health secretary was asked three times how much they would offer the nurses. Three times they refused to give a figure and replied that they would accept the recommendation of the pay review board, which is what this government will ultimately do.
Let’s not pretend that Labour now be offering a substantial pay rise. |
I think it is wise, especially given the jibes that always follow Labour public spending proposals, not to put a specific increase percentage forward when you don't have control of the Treasury. | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:35 - Mar 5 with 1909 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:30 - Mar 5 by StokieBlue |
I'm not sure that outside election campaigning the shadow health secretary should have the exact number they would provide nurses to hand. They don't need to be drawing up their own budget, just looking the the Tories and exposing the holes.
Even if the government do ultimately accept the pay board recommendations it's awful messaging. Imagine how the staff of the NHS are feeling this morning reading those headlines and heading into work for another day dealing with Covid, just like the previous 350 or so.
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I was replying to a poster who was referencing how Alan our would handle this. The Shadow health secretary said that if he were in power he would implement the recommendation of the pay review board.
With regard to your final paragraph, as I said in my earlier post “ Terrible politics which completely misreads the mood of the country, whilst also being a complete kick in the balls of our health professionals who have gone above and beyond over the past year.” | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:39 - Mar 5 with 1897 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:34 - Mar 5 by WeWereZombies |
I think it is wise, especially given the jibes that always follow Labour public spending proposals, not to put a specific increase percentage forward when you don't have control of the Treasury. |
As per my reply to Stoke, I was replying to a poster who said that “ Labour would never have scraped around to find the extra to increase that already-generous 1% pay rise to 1.25%” | |
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:41 - Mar 5 with 1896 views | WeWereZombies |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:39 - Mar 5 by GlasgowBlue |
As per my reply to Stoke, I was replying to a poster who said that “ Labour would never have scraped around to find the extra to increase that already-generous 1% pay rise to 1.25%” |
Well you could have phrased your reply better so as not to be so inflammatory =-sorry, that was a bit confrontational, wasn't it? [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 11:33]
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| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:45 - Mar 5 with 1875 views | GlasgowBlue |
| NHS 1% pay rise on 09:41 - Mar 5 by WeWereZombies |
Well you could have phrased your reply better so as not to be so inflammatory =-sorry, that was a bit confrontational, wasn't it? [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 11:33]
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It’s now inflammatory to clearly lay out word for word what the shadow health secretary said when asked three times what offer he would have made if in power, when replying to a poster who set out an argument for how they believe Labour would have handled the same situation ?
Weird. [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 9:48]
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