| Happy St. George’s Day 07:08 - Apr 23 with 4835 views | 26_Paz |
Enjoy it guys. |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:52 - Apr 23 with 648 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:39 - Apr 23 by Sarge |
It’s not a left wing thing. The left wing is all about tolerance, respect and fairness to all - it’s why it’s the best wing. This is more of a ‘I’ve got my own catchphrases to roll out’ thing. |
"The left wing is all about tolerance"
I'm just gonna leave that one there!
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:55 - Apr 23 with 646 views | Sarge |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:52 - Apr 23 by Lord_Lucan |
"The left wing is all about tolerance"
I'm just gonna leave that one there!
PMSL |
I don’t think it’s particularly well demonstrated on here tbf |  | | |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:55 - Apr 23 with 642 views | noggin |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:52 - Apr 23 by Lord_Lucan |
"The left wing is all about tolerance"
I'm just gonna leave that one there!
PMSL |
I guess it depends on what one considers 'left' |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:56 - Apr 23 with 644 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:52 - Apr 23 by Lord_Lucan |
"The left wing is all about tolerance"
I'm just gonna leave that one there!
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Yeah, almost as funny as people bleating on about 'but MUH FLAAAG' while sh*tting on the very things that decent people would feel patriotic about. | | | |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:57 - Apr 23 with 622 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:55 - Apr 23 by Sarge |
I don’t think it’s particularly well demonstrated on here tbf |
I completely take that on board. | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:18 - Apr 23 with 569 views | Swansea_Blue |
What should there be tolerance for though? I would have thought views such as racism and homophobia need to be challenged; it's those kind of issues that get jumped on on here. I'd say rightly so. Irrespective of whichever side of the political spectrum you're on, challenging views that are hurtful and demeaning to others isn't intolerance, it's quite the opposite. It's standing up for the little guy and wanting equality for those who are being disadvantaged. Or showing humanity, as it's otherwise called.
We also seem to have a low threshold for trolling on here. Again, rightly so. |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:22 - Apr 23 with 545 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:18 - Apr 23 by Swansea_Blue |
What should there be tolerance for though? I would have thought views such as racism and homophobia need to be challenged; it's those kind of issues that get jumped on on here. I'd say rightly so. Irrespective of whichever side of the political spectrum you're on, challenging views that are hurtful and demeaning to others isn't intolerance, it's quite the opposite. It's standing up for the little guy and wanting equality for those who are being disadvantaged. Or showing humanity, as it's otherwise called.
We also seem to have a low threshold for trolling on here. Again, rightly so. |
Who are you directing your post at?
I don't see where it fits into the thread - or maybe I am thick. | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:26 - Apr 23 with 545 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:18 - Apr 23 by Swansea_Blue |
What should there be tolerance for though? I would have thought views such as racism and homophobia need to be challenged; it's those kind of issues that get jumped on on here. I'd say rightly so. Irrespective of whichever side of the political spectrum you're on, challenging views that are hurtful and demeaning to others isn't intolerance, it's quite the opposite. It's standing up for the little guy and wanting equality for those who are being disadvantaged. Or showing humanity, as it's otherwise called.
We also seem to have a low threshold for trolling on here. Again, rightly so. |
More widely, this is a forum. So anyone thinking their comments are somehow immune to discussion - critical or otherwise - are missing the point somewhat. |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:31 - Apr 23 with 521 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:22 - Apr 23 by Lord_Lucan |
Who are you directing your post at?
I don't see where it fits into the thread - or maybe I am thick. |
I didn't read it as directed at you, more about the forum and tolerance in general. | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:45 - Apr 23 with 491 views | Keno |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:31 - Apr 23 by Kropotkin123 |
I didn't read it as directed at you, more about the forum and tolerance in general. |
"forum and tolerance"
Theres two words you dont often see together |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:49 - Apr 23 with 490 views | Ryorry |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:35 - Apr 23 by Kropotkin123 |
What isn't weird about unconditionally devoting yourself to and supporting a nation-state? Particularly when people within that nation-state can't agree on the direction the country should go in, can't agree on the depth and breadth of what it is to be English and the construct is held together with nonsense such as dragon slaying.
Don't get me wrong, I'll get involved for the world cup down the pub, but beyond that, it's not for me. |
Doesn't have to be "unconditional" does it? I'd argue that *real* patriotism incorporates being extremely critical when your country is going down a horrible path, precisely because you appreciate the good things about it, & want those to continue without the bad stuff. |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:51 - Apr 23 with 475 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:31 - Apr 23 by Kropotkin123 |
I didn't read it as directed at you, more about the forum and tolerance in general. |
In fairness I didn't either. All I read was an OP saying Happy St George Day in the same way that people post Happy St Patricks Day etc.
I haven't read any racism or homophobia unless I have missed a page. | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:52 - Apr 23 with 482 views | Barneycurley |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 10:38 - Apr 23 by Herbivore |
Why wouldn't you? |
Beacuse I see it in its purest sense, not politicised bit of being proud of my heritage, for the great things this country has added to the world from invention to our sporting exploits.
The only people that seem embarrassed by it are those that seek to see it from some politicised standpoint and to see it as a way to look down on people - and Dubtractor I don't mean in response to your reply. |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:57 - Apr 23 with 472 views | Ryorry |
Anyway, never mind all that questionable Saint stuff.
Happy Birthday Shakespeare - now there's someone who unquestionably did contribute massively, not just to our English language, culture & heritage, but those things all around the world.
And also -
R.I.P. Shakespeare
23/04/1564- 23/04/1616 | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:00 - Apr 23 with 460 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:51 - Apr 23 by Lord_Lucan |
In fairness I didn't either. All I read was an OP saying Happy St George Day in the same way that people post Happy St Patricks Day etc.
I haven't read any racism or homophobia unless I have missed a page. |
yes, an OP who is literally one of the least genuinely patriotic people on here. I'm not taking lectures from him on loving my country. | | | |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:03 - Apr 23 with 451 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:22 - Apr 23 by Lord_Lucan |
Who are you directing your post at?
I don't see where it fits into the thread - or maybe I am thick. |
No one especially. People were talking about tolerance, and the 'lefties are intolerant' angle has popped up on here a few times in the past. It's a bit of a long running theme. People certainly do get shouted down at times. Not always fairly, but it does seem that a lot of the time they get shouted down when voicing pretty unpleasant views. Normally followed by a ban from Phil.
PS. I certainly wasn't suggesting you were one of those spouting vile views. Mostly those don't last on here too long! [Post edited 23 Apr 2021 12:06]
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:03 - Apr 23 with 449 views | Herbivore |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:52 - Apr 23 by Barneycurley |
Beacuse I see it in its purest sense, not politicised bit of being proud of my heritage, for the great things this country has added to the world from invention to our sporting exploits.
The only people that seem embarrassed by it are those that seek to see it from some politicised standpoint and to see it as a way to look down on people - and Dubtractor I don't mean in response to your reply. |
Fair dos. I just don't really get it, I guess. Where you happen to be born is really down to chance and what a country has done before the time of your birth is completely outside your control. I find it a bit odd to be proud of it, especially as such pride for the good we've done is rarely matched by comparable shame for the things we've done that are abhorrent. Each to their own though, I just genuinely don't get it.
I think another part of the problem is that patriotism has been somewhat co-opted by EDL types and their successors, who peddle a view of the country that is hugely off-putting to many of us. Patriotism is also seized upon by opportunists and populists to gloss over their own failings and often to create an us and them mentality that enables them to foment their own power. We've seen it here and in the US recently, but more dramatically still in continental Europe in the 20s and 30s. I think that's why a lot of people seek to distance themselves from patriotism. |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:04 - Apr 23 with 448 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:26 - Apr 23 by Kropotkin123 |
More widely, this is a forum. So anyone thinking their comments are somehow immune to discussion - critical or otherwise - are missing the point somewhat. |
Yeah, that's true enough. And yes I was just making a general point. | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:08 - Apr 23 with 439 views | 26_Paz |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:00 - Apr 23 by BlueLikeJazz |
yes, an OP who is literally one of the least genuinely patriotic people on here. I'm not taking lectures from him on loving my country. |
I wasn’t lecturing anyone on anything. As Lucan has said I was simply wishing people a happy St. George’s day.
I can assure you my patriotism is genuine. | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:10 - Apr 23 with 421 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:08 - Apr 23 by 26_Paz |
I wasn’t lecturing anyone on anything. As Lucan has said I was simply wishing people a happy St. George’s day.
I can assure you my patriotism is genuine. |
you can 'assure' me all you like, I can see from your posts on here that it's anything but. | | | |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:15 - Apr 23 with 384 views | Barneycurley |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:03 - Apr 23 by Herbivore |
Fair dos. I just don't really get it, I guess. Where you happen to be born is really down to chance and what a country has done before the time of your birth is completely outside your control. I find it a bit odd to be proud of it, especially as such pride for the good we've done is rarely matched by comparable shame for the things we've done that are abhorrent. Each to their own though, I just genuinely don't get it.
I think another part of the problem is that patriotism has been somewhat co-opted by EDL types and their successors, who peddle a view of the country that is hugely off-putting to many of us. Patriotism is also seized upon by opportunists and populists to gloss over their own failings and often to create an us and them mentality that enables them to foment their own power. We've seen it here and in the US recently, but more dramatically still in continental Europe in the 20s and 30s. I think that's why a lot of people seek to distance themselves from patriotism. |
'A feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired"
I think the second part sums up my take on it.
Its like saying I am a proud Ipswich supporter. Based on our history and culture as a club certainly not the current mob who represent our playing staff (largely) | |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:17 - Apr 23 with 378 views | lowhouseblue |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:10 - Apr 23 by BlueLikeJazz |
you can 'assure' me all you like, I can see from your posts on here that it's anything but. |
how exciting, a who's the most patriotic competition. that's a new one. what has paz done to be unpatriotic? he's not been burning the flag again has he? |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:18 - Apr 23 with 377 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 11:49 - Apr 23 by Ryorry |
Doesn't have to be "unconditional" does it? I'd argue that *real* patriotism incorporates being extremely critical when your country is going down a horrible path, precisely because you appreciate the good things about it, & want those to continue without the bad stuff. |
Exactly this. Patriotism is not thinking your country is the best; it's wanting your country to be the best, both in terms of what kind of place it is to live in, and how we treat other countries/peoples. |  | | |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:18 - Apr 23 with 373 views | monytowbray |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 07:29 - Apr 23 by BlueBadger |
Ah yes, the patron saint of foreigners who come over here and stole English people's jobs,people who kill endangered species and people unable to understand the concept of safe sex. [Post edited 23 Apr 2021 7:38]
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The downvotes on this is one hell of a list.
GET YOUR FACTS OUT OF THE BEDROOM WHEN I’M FLAG SHAGGING. |  |
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| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:18 - Apr 23 with 374 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Happy St. George’s Day on 12:00 - Apr 23 by BlueLikeJazz |
yes, an OP who is literally one of the least genuinely patriotic people on here. I'm not taking lectures from him on loving my country. |
Blimey
Like many people I am in a whatsapp group with friends (it should be noted that the majority of my friends are left leaning) and one of my more militant comrades seems to be working himself up into a tiz as well.
Live and let live I say. | |
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