| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows 12:40 - May 3 with 5586 views | Illinoisblue |
What was worse: The Wire’s season 5 fake serial killer nonsense. Or the Sopranos black screen? |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:07 - May 3 with 2343 views | urbanblue |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 13:58 - May 3 by Darth_Koont |
Edited: Here you go.
There was a very good Twitter thread that I’ll dig out where some screenwriting aficionado was talking about the different types of writers. “Plotters” who know how to drive a story and “Pantsers” who can deliver and develop characters. Often the two need to work together.
Problem with George Martin the creator of GOT is he is an out-and-out pantser – who also had responsibility for delivering the plot and an ending but couldn’t. So in this sprawl of characters and storylines going everywhere and nowhere the TV writers needed to shut down storylines and try and deliver something of a conclusion. But was always going to be a crude and largely unsatisfying ending given how non-plotted the whole thing is up to that point.
That’s the beauty of Better Call Saul which is an even better character-driven show. As a prequel we already know where it’s heading so it’s only the characters and their development that matters. [Post edited 3 May 2021 14:01]
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Have you read the books Darth? They are excellent.
GRR Martin is helluva writer and the plotting so far is excellent. The problem is that the never ending wait for the concluding books resulted in Benioff and Weiss going off on their own tangent to bring it all to a quick conclusion. Martin had apparently given them guidence as to the stories direction.
The result was ,of course, an absolute disaster. That ending was a total farce worthy of the Monty Python team. I have no doubt that if we ever see the conclusion to the novels it will be very different. |  | | |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:19 - May 3 with 2324 views | Warkystache |
Breaking Bad was excellent. The finale "Felina" was one of the best finales of a telly show I've ever seen.
I hope Better Call Saul's final season (when it eventually airs) will be as good. I'm also looking forward to the finale of Ozark. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:24 - May 3 with 2309 views | Giant_Midget |
Dexter has one of, if not the worst ending. |  | | |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:25 - May 3 with 2309 views | Darth_Koont |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:07 - May 3 by urbanblue |
Have you read the books Darth? They are excellent.
GRR Martin is helluva writer and the plotting so far is excellent. The problem is that the never ending wait for the concluding books resulted in Benioff and Weiss going off on their own tangent to bring it all to a quick conclusion. Martin had apparently given them guidence as to the stories direction.
The result was ,of course, an absolute disaster. That ending was a total farce worthy of the Monty Python team. I have no doubt that if we ever see the conclusion to the novels it will be very different. |
I haven’t read them but based on the TV series it’s fair to say that the “plot” was about 20-odd character’s storylines rather than anything cohesive.
Which was great when the focus is on characters. But to wrap the story up that loose plotting was a nightmare. I can see how it was always going to be pretty unsatisfying when people were so invested in each character’s arc. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:41 - May 3 with 2290 views | Bent_double |
Dexter, or Fortitude.
Two initially excellent shows, that completely lost it by the final episodes with bizarre, rushed, confusing, terrible endings. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:44 - May 3 with 2286 views | Mullet |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:03 - May 3 by N2_Blue |
was only suggesting you try watch it again...and you give a silly reply like that.
No point engaging with people like you on here, always noticed you have a certain posting 'style' on here.
I'll leave you to it |
Blimey, thanks for the chuckle. Probably for the best eh? |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:08 - May 3 with 2267 views | BelsteadCav |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 12:52 - May 3 by J2BLUE |
I'm still triggered by by the GOT ending. Made no sense at all. |
I’m still angry about it
Jon killing Danny was fine
But all the starks live happily ever after.... no f**king way
And the king slayer going out like that!!!?!? No f**king way |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:28 - May 3 with 2247 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 12:59 - May 3 by Mullet |
Bizarrely I watched it in Vancouver. Cinemas across the Atlantic are weird af. They boo and clap at the end and sometimes during. |
Not surprised. They can quite willingly whoop and high five the opening of an envelope on that side. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:36 - May 3 with 2239 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:08 - May 3 by BelsteadCav |
I’m still angry about it
Jon killing Danny was fine
But all the starks live happily ever after.... no f**king way
And the king slayer going out like that!!!?!? No f**king way |
I said at the time that the killing of Danny should have been the climax to the penultimate episode. Not halfway through the last. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:41 - May 3 with 2229 views | chicoazul |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 12:52 - May 3 by J2BLUE |
I'm still triggered by by the GOT ending. Made no sense at all. |
It all made perfect sense. Why wouldn’t you want to have some omnipotent god as the king? |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:50 - May 3 with 2211 views | Perublue |
Brookside.....not sure if it was good,bad....or just a piece of art....which can be viewed in many ways ranging from schite to excellence. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 17:46 - May 3 with 2151 views | Illinoisblue |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 14:44 - May 3 by Mullet |
Blimey, thanks for the chuckle. Probably for the best eh? |
You and your posting style! | |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:13 - May 3 with 2142 views | BlueBadger |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 12:45 - May 3 by Mullet |
How did anyone get to episode 5 let alone season 5 of the Wire? The Bill for pretentious people innit.
I thought the Sopranos ending was decent enough to be fair. It was a bit patchy when it went all soap opera and the final seasons got it back on track.
Probably breaking bad deserves a mention. By the end it’d just stopped being good. |
You like Morrsisey Mullers, I bought you'd be well down with pretentious guff that is nowhere near as good as the press make out. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:28 - May 3 with 2137 views | J2BLUE |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:08 - May 3 by BelsteadCav |
I’m still angry about it
Jon killing Danny was fine
But all the starks live happily ever after.... no f**king way
And the king slayer going out like that!!!?!? No f**king way |
I had been deliberately vague so we didn't ruin it for anyone currently watching... |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:34 - May 3 with 2128 views | J2BLUE |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 13:58 - May 3 by Darth_Koont |
Edited: Here you go.
There was a very good Twitter thread that I’ll dig out where some screenwriting aficionado was talking about the different types of writers. “Plotters” who know how to drive a story and “Pantsers” who can deliver and develop characters. Often the two need to work together.
Problem with George Martin the creator of GOT is he is an out-and-out pantser – who also had responsibility for delivering the plot and an ending but couldn’t. So in this sprawl of characters and storylines going everywhere and nowhere the TV writers needed to shut down storylines and try and deliver something of a conclusion. But was always going to be a crude and largely unsatisfying ending given how non-plotted the whole thing is up to that point.
That’s the beauty of Better Call Saul which is an even better character-driven show. As a prequel we already know where it’s heading so it’s only the characters and their development that matters. [Post edited 3 May 2021 14:01]
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Disagree. The plot was fantastic. The characters even better. It just needed a completely different conclusion. I don't have a problem with anything except the last episode. The show writers were backed into a corner if that's what they were told about how it had to end.
I get that he wanted a 'bittersweet' LOTR style ending but wow...he completely fooked it. | |
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| You're mentally deranged. (n/t) on 18:51 - May 3 with 2111 views | Bloots |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 12:45 - May 3 by Mullet |
How did anyone get to episode 5 let alone season 5 of the Wire? The Bill for pretentious people innit.
I thought the Sopranos ending was decent enough to be fair. It was a bit patchy when it went all soap opera and the final seasons got it back on track.
Probably breaking bad deserves a mention. By the end it’d just stopped being good. |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:55 - May 3 with 2099 views | wkj |
TV Shows ending in a weird way seems more common than not these days. This is usually why I try to avoid spoilers and get a feel for public opinion before I binge shows. While the conclusion of Line of Duty makes sense, what ultimately let it down is they shoved everything in a rush for the last 15minutes of the show with very little clues leading up to it. |  |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:56 - May 3 with 2098 views | Mullet |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:13 - May 3 by BlueBadger |
You like Morrsisey Mullers, I bought you'd be well down with pretentious guff that is nowhere near as good as the press make out. |
Much more a Smiths fan in fairness. Speaking of Nursey, Blackadder had a proper ending at least. | |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:56 - May 3 with 2097 views | Darth_Koont |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:34 - May 3 by J2BLUE |
Disagree. The plot was fantastic. The characters even better. It just needed a completely different conclusion. I don't have a problem with anything except the last episode. The show writers were backed into a corner if that's what they were told about how it had to end.
I get that he wanted a 'bittersweet' LOTR style ending but wow...he completely fooked it. |
Hmmm. I thought the actual plot was pretty much non-existent. Great characters (and stories about characters) but always hinting at a destination rather than looking like it really knew where it was going. | |
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| You're mentally deranged. (n/t) on 18:59 - May 3 with 2081 views | Mullet |
| You're mentally deranged. (n/t) on 18:51 - May 3 by Bloots |
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You spelt cultured wrong. | |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 19:07 - May 3 with 2064 views | BlueBadger |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 15:36 - May 3 by GlasgowBlue |
I said at the time that the killing of Danny should have been the climax to the penultimate episode. Not halfway through the last. |
The final two series were totally rushed. The final two seasons had some good storylines that needed an extra season to properly breathe. It's pretty telling that the best episode of the final series was episode 2, where they're on the eve of the battle with the Night King.
That should have been the 'A' plot of the penultimate series with Dany's increasing isolation from the voices of reason around here being the 'B' plot. | |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 19:14 - May 3 with 2046 views | J2BLUE |
| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 18:56 - May 3 by Darth_Koont |
Hmmm. I thought the actual plot was pretty much non-existent. Great characters (and stories about characters) but always hinting at a destination rather than looking like it really knew where it was going. |
I see what you mean. Maybe it's because i've read the books but the plot is great IMO. It does very quickly go from all against all to fighting the whitewalkers in the tv show though. | |
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| Wearing a pair of shoes.... on 19:28 - May 3 with 2031 views | Bloots |
| You're mentally deranged. (n/t) on 18:59 - May 3 by Mullet |
You spelt cultured wrong. |
...is considered cultured up your way. | |
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| Wearing a pair of shoes.... on 19:40 - May 3 with 2013 views | Mullet |
| Wearing a pair of shoes.... on 19:28 - May 3 by Bloots |
...is considered cultured up your way. |
Sitters once again proving me right I see..... | |
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| Talking of disappointing endings to TV shows on 19:57 - May 3 with 1994 views | RobTheMonk |
The Shield had a decent ending.
Soprano's was a cool way to end. |  | | |
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