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The club asked him to take a 50% pay cut, he accepted and was expecting to start training last Friday. You may struggle with facts but I thought I might need to repeat it for you.
As for his previous contracts, I'm pretty sure that's what they call "negotiation", reaching a deal that both parties agree on.
I'm sure Barça have a very good idea of the revenue Messi generates each year and make an offer accordingly - it wouldn't surprise me if he's ended up costing zero. Messi was never really the problem but a series of poor signings by the previous regime. Like I said you don't have a point or a clue.
I agree with some of what you’ve said on this thread but I can’t let that ‘ended up costing zero’ comment go. He was on 132m a year. Barca certainly were not making that back from his inclusion.
You obviously don't have a clue, there aren't players like Messi. Barça signed players that made no sporting or financial sense - that's where most of the problem lies, not with a greedy and blubbing Messi.
But in your case if messi was zero.. imagine how it would have helped his club over the years if he was on less than he was.. that zero that you speak of could become profit ;)
Can try to sugarcoat it and blame other players etc. But its fact. He like many are greedy as fk. Thats not a problem none of us in life would turn the chance down to earn multi millions. But then dont cry when it comes to a head.
I agree with some of what you’ve said on this thread but I can’t let that ‘ended up costing zero’ comment go. He was on 132m a year. Barca certainly were not making that back from his inclusion.
I said it wouldn't surprise me, and it wouldn't. I'm not talking about shirt sales but titles, summer / winter tours, sponsorship deals, merch, tourism etc etc etc. Messi at Barça generates a shed load of money. I don't know how much he brings in but it's not an outlandish notion that it might equate to his salary.
Even if he played for free they wouldn't be able to register him as they have been required to bring their wage bill to under 70% of total turnover and they're at 95%. Looks like both club and player tried everything for him to stay, but it's the clubs utterly terrible economic mismanagement which has lead to this.
Appreciate he earns money that is in another world for many of us, but think the comment about crocodile tears are wide of the mark.
He has been at Barca since a child, he left his home country to join them still a kid. His family moved and he has known nothing other than being a Barca player. Every coach, manager and team mate he has ever had has been a Barca one.
For 20 odd years he will have felt part of a family, for that is very much what Barca is, a club that is identified almost as a national club, the Catalan club that represents their nation. At a time too when they tried to gain independence and Spain imprisoned their political leaders.
Messi throughout this turmoil has stayed with the club, with the fans. To state his tears are crocodile tears merely demonstrates a lack of understanding for all that Barca are and all they represent.
Little doubt they have been mismanaged, little doubt Messi well rewarded, but I don't for a minute doubt leaving his club, his home, a club that is all he knows, will be incredibly upsetting for him imho.
But in your case if messi was zero.. imagine how it would have helped his club over the years if he was on less than he was.. that zero that you speak of could become profit ;)
Can try to sugarcoat it and blame other players etc. But its fact. He like many are greedy as fk. Thats not a problem none of us in life would turn the chance down to earn multi millions. But then dont cry when it comes to a head.
Jesus wept, I give up. You can't argue with stupid.
Appreciate he earns money that is in another world for many of us, but think the comment about crocodile tears are wide of the mark.
He has been at Barca since a child, he left his home country to join them still a kid. His family moved and he has known nothing other than being a Barca player. Every coach, manager and team mate he has ever had has been a Barca one.
For 20 odd years he will have felt part of a family, for that is very much what Barca is, a club that is identified almost as a national club, the Catalan club that represents their nation. At a time too when they tried to gain independence and Spain imprisoned their political leaders.
Messi throughout this turmoil has stayed with the club, with the fans. To state his tears are crocodile tears merely demonstrates a lack of understanding for all that Barca are and all they represent.
Little doubt they have been mismanaged, little doubt Messi well rewarded, but I don't for a minute doubt leaving his club, his home, a club that is all he knows, will be incredibly upsetting for him imho.
Bet he joins PSG tho. Such is his love purely of football and not finances of course.
Bet he joins PSG tho. Such is his love purely of football and not finances of course.
Wtt has that got to do with his being upset at leaving Barca?
You seem to be of the opinion that because he has ridiculous amounts of money, he is immune to the normal feelings people have when moving on from friends, colleagues that they are attached too.
If your job was paying £50k a year and you loved your job, your spending would be based on £50k a year.
If your job then wen't down to £25k a year overnight, you'd end up in the shoite pretty quickly wouldn't you and would end up having to leave the job you love, to take another because you love your family more.
Messi would be fine even if he didn’t earn another penny for many many years.
Wtt has that got to do with his being upset at leaving Barca?
You seem to be of the opinion that because he has ridiculous amounts of money, he is immune to the normal feelings people have when moving on from friends, colleagues that they are attached too.
Quite bizarre tbh.
If he had offered to play for free i'm sure they would have found a way to register him.
As others have pointed out is worth an absolute fortune. If he loves Barcelona that much he could have played another couple of years for free. Whether he should or not is another issue but if you care about the club that much that you're in tears leaving then what is the point of leaving?
Again, people might argue for his right to earn what he wants and of course they have a point but why leave a club you adore for money when he must be worth hundreds of millions?
If he had offered to play for free i'm sure they would have found a way to register him.
As others have pointed out is worth an absolute fortune. If he loves Barcelona that much he could have played another couple of years for free. Whether he should or not is another issue but if you care about the club that much that you're in tears leaving then what is the point of leaving?
Again, people might argue for his right to earn what he wants and of course they have a point but why leave a club you adore for money when he must be worth hundreds of millions?
Can't say I have a massive amount of sympathy.
Exactly. Unless anyone can enlighten me as to how playing for 0 pesetas somehow adds to Barca's wage-bill?
On the wages he was on for years before this, he'll have plenty in the bank to cover his & his family's living costs.
I do think his tears were genuine tho, you can't stay in one community that's also your workplace for 20 years without feeling a massive emotional wrench at leaving it.
It all reminds me of a fav old song -
Lyrics What do you want if you don't want money? What do you want if you don't want gold? Say what you want and I'll give it you, darling Wish you wanted my love, baby
What do you want if you don't want ermine? What do you want if you don't want pearls? Say what you want and I'll give it you, darling Wish you wanted my love, baby
Well, I'm offering you this heart of mine But all you do is play it cool What do you want? Oh, boy, you're making a fool of me
One of these days when you need my kissing One of these days when you want me, too Don't turn around 'cause I'll be missing Then, you'll want my love, baby
Well, I'm offering you a diamond ring But all you do is turn me down What do you want? Oh, boy, you're goin' to town on me
One of these days when you need my kissing One of these days when you want me, too Don't turn around 'cause I'll be missing Then, you'll want my love, baby Well, then, you'll want my love, baby
It's only £480k a week before tax. Plus appearance bonuses. Plus goal bonuses. Plus a hefty signing-on bonus. Plus sponsorships.
The guy needs the money. Barca were obviously not able to pay him what he needs to live and support his family. He's probably not got a lot saved in the bank either. Say if Barca had offered him £100k a week to stay, how could you expect anyone to live on that? Could you or I? Doubt it.
How can live under these conditions
Apparently the taps in a sink he has in his Ferrari basement garage complex are only gold plated, rather than solid gold.
Correct you cant argue with yourself. Bit one sided.
May I suggest you go and read up on the facts with respects to his contract. No contract can be signed due to their current revenue to wage ratio being at approximately 95%. With Messis new contract it would be at 115%. La Liga has a rule that it can be at 70% max. Hence he can not sign for or be signed by Barca. Likewise I am lead to be believe that there is a law in place in Spain saying that a person can not work for less than 50% of their previous contract. So he reduced it to the max possible with the current situation.
Barca knew this was coming, they thought they could release other players to give them the flexibility. They have dug themselves into this corner due to years and years of financial mismanagement. They could have cashed in last year and sold him for 100m+ when he wanted out but they chose not to and force him to stay.
Now whether he is currently worth the alleged 132 per annum is up to debate but over the course of his career there he has repaid his wages easily. Its always difficult to see how much value a person adds but it's not always down to shirt sales. Have been going to the Nou camp 3 or 4 times a year for 20+ years. The amount of people I've met who have flown in from all over the world to just see Messi was unreal.
Exactly. Unless anyone can enlighten me as to how playing for 0 pesetas somehow adds to Barca's wage-bill?
On the wages he was on for years before this, he'll have plenty in the bank to cover his & his family's living costs.
I do think his tears were genuine tho, you can't stay in one community that's also your workplace for 20 years without feeling a massive emotional wrench at leaving it.
It all reminds me of a fav old song -
Lyrics What do you want if you don't want money? What do you want if you don't want gold? Say what you want and I'll give it you, darling Wish you wanted my love, baby
What do you want if you don't want ermine? What do you want if you don't want pearls? Say what you want and I'll give it you, darling Wish you wanted my love, baby
Well, I'm offering you this heart of mine But all you do is play it cool What do you want? Oh, boy, you're making a fool of me
One of these days when you need my kissing One of these days when you want me, too Don't turn around 'cause I'll be missing Then, you'll want my love, baby
Well, I'm offering you a diamond ring But all you do is turn me down What do you want? Oh, boy, you're goin' to town on me
One of these days when you need my kissing One of these days when you want me, too Don't turn around 'cause I'll be missing Then, you'll want my love, baby Well, then, you'll want my love, baby
Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: John Worsley
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Some of the dancing from those on the floor in that video is absolutely horrendous!
I did the Barca stadium tour three years ago and it was 25 Euros. The guide said that during the holiday season they were averaging 12,000 visitors a day. You can see how covid has really messed them up amongst other things.
I'll say it one more time for those of you who are incapable of reading, listening, comprehending, or any combination the above.
Barcelona's wages are too high. They cannot sign Messi EVEN IF HE AGREES TO PLAY FOR FREE. Even without Messi, they cannot register the likes of Aguero. Messi would likely have to PAY BARCELONA to play
It's really not that complicated. But hey, I'm sure I'll get ignored as well and people will carry on talking about how he should have taken a pay cut
I said it wouldn't surprise me, and it wouldn't. I'm not talking about shirt sales but titles, summer / winter tours, sponsorship deals, merch, tourism etc etc etc. Messi at Barça generates a shed load of money. I don't know how much he brings in but it's not an outlandish notion that it might equate to his salary.
I said this on another thread, but literally only in football could you argue - as a positive - that one of your top earning employees might be a positive thing because he 'ends up breaking even.'
That's why football is in a mess. It's a business. Your employees shouldn't break even as an absolute best result, they should bring in more than they earn. Especially as - unlike normal businesses - the employees have a ton of outside incomes on top of their daily wages, which come about *entirely* because of the fact they work for this particular company.
Was thinking exactly the same BelsteadCav. All these tears and sad words, the man is a multi millionaire, if he really wants to stay why can't he live on £100,000p/w? Simply laughable the antics over his departure from the club and none of the Barcelona fans have cottoned on yet and thought to question that?!
Was my favourite non Ipswich player, but no longer. Could play for a nominal wage after all he has. He has given so much to Barcelona, but they have given him wealth most can only dream of. He should play for next to nothing if he really meant that interview.
I'll say it one more time for those of you who are incapable of reading, listening, comprehending, or any combination the above.
Barcelona's wages are too high. They cannot sign Messi EVEN IF HE AGREES TO PLAY FOR FREE. Even without Messi, they cannot register the likes of Aguero. Messi would likely have to PAY BARCELONA to play
It's really not that complicated. But hey, I'm sure I'll get ignored as well and people will carry on talking about how he should have taken a pay cut
+13 likes on the OP and still comments slating him when it's now been well documented on here and in the news in general. Who wants to read though?
I'll say it one more time for those of you who are incapable of reading, listening, comprehending, or any combination the above.
Barcelona's wages are too high. They cannot sign Messi EVEN IF HE AGREES TO PLAY FOR FREE. Even without Messi, they cannot register the likes of Aguero. Messi would likely have to PAY BARCELONA to play
It's really not that complicated. But hey, I'm sure I'll get ignored as well and people will carry on talking about how he should have taken a pay cut
On the other hand you could simply have explained that it's not possible for Messi to play for free, and "why"?
It does actually seem complicated, and I'm sorry but I still don't understand why a wage total of a billion pesetas + 0 amount for Messi somehow comes to a new total of a billion & one pesetas.
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